China brokers diplomatic ties between Iran and Saudi Arabia

[Tropez]

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/10/world/middleeast/saudi-arabia-iran-reestablish-ties.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare and noninterference in their internal affairs, and Oman, without significant steps forward.

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RIYADH, Saudi Arabia — Saudi Arabia and Iran have reached an agreement, facilitated by China, to re-establish diplomatic ties after a seven-year split, the countries said on Friday, in what could be a step toward realignment between often hostile regional rivals.

Saudi and Iranian officials announced the agreement after talks this week in China, which maintains close ties with both countries, in a joint statement published by the official Saudi Press Agency. Iran’s state news media also announced an agreement.

The two countries agreed to reactivate a lapsed security cooperation pact — a shift that comes after years of Iranian proxies targeting Saudi Arabia with missile and drone attacks — as well as older trade, investment and cultural accords.

Saudi Arabia and Iran will reopen embassies in each other’s countries within two months, and both states confirmed “their respect for the sovereignty of nations and noninterference in their internal affairs,” the statement said.

China’s role in hosting the talks that led to a breakthrough in a longstanding regional rivalry highlights the country’s growing economic and political importance in the Middle East, a region that was long shaped by the military and diplomatic involvement of the United States. Saudi and Iranian officials had engaged in several rounds of talks over the past two years, including in Iraq and Oman, without significant steps forward.

China’s top leader, Xi Jinping, visited Riyadh in December, a state visit celebrated by Saudi officials, who often complain that their American allies are pulling away from the region.

China’s most senior foreign policy official, Wang Yi, indicated in a statement on the Chinese foreign ministry website that Beijing had played an instrumental role in the agreement.

“This is a victory for the dialogue, a victory for peace, and is major positive news for the world which is currently so turbulent and restive, and it sends a clear signal,” he said. 

Mohammed Alyahya, a Saudi fellow at the Belfer Center for Science and International Affairs at Harvard, said the agreement was a “reflection of China’s growing strategic clout in the region — the fact that it has a lot of leverage over the Iranians, the fact it has very deep and important economic relations with the Saudis.” He added: “There is a strategic void in the region, and the Chinese seem to have figured out how to capitalize on that.”

 

This is GREAT news for the Middle East. Saudi Arabia and Iran have been in a long standing proxy war. This will hopefully lead to great peace and stability in the Middle East. 
 

China has greatly outplayed the US and Israel in this arena. Both countries have wanted Arabia and Iran as enemies. 

[MAKSIM]

“China brokers peace between Iran and Saudi Arabia” or “Iran can’t afford to use any of its military force outside its borders now due to civilian uprising”

[Tropez]

1 minute ago, MAKSIM said:

“China brokers peace between Iran and Saudi Arabia” or “Iran can’t afford to use any of its military force outside its borders now due to civilian uprising”

This is not entirely true. China has been growing diplomatically in the region for years now. Both countries have close ties to it. It’s only natural that China uses its leverage to establish normalcy between the two. This is great for the Middle East. 
 

Also per the article 

 

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China also wants stability in the region, with more than 40 percent of its crude oil imports coming from the Gulf, said Jonathan Fulton, a nonresident senior fellow for Middle East programs at the Atlantic Council.

“Beijing has adopted a smart approach using its strategic partnership diplomacy, building diplomatic capital on both sides of the Gulf,” he said. “Unlike the United States, which balances one side against the other, and is therefore limited in its diplomatic capacity.”

 

[MAKSIM]

18 minutes ago, Tropez said:

This is not entirely true. China has been growing diplomatically in the region for years now. Both countries have close ties to it. It’s only natural that China uses its leverage to establish normalcy between the two. This is great for the Middle East. 
 

Also per the article 

 

 

What’s not true about it. It worked on you  you’re using the words peace, diplomacy, normalcy, etc. in sentences about Iran, which is exactly what the regime wants to distract from the fact that the regime is executing its own people. 

[Phaunzie]

A threat to American Imperialism, I love to see it.

[ZIVERT]

Now China will get a taste of Iran’s “diplomacy” of saying one thing, then doing the opposite while lying about it. Good luck  

[Tropez]

13 minutes ago, MAKSIM said:

What’s not true about it. It worked on you  you’re using the words peace, diplomacy, normalcy, etc. in sentences about Iran, which is exactly what the regime wants to distract from the fact that the regime is executing its own people. 

You missed the point. This is about trying to end the proxy war between Iran and Saudi Arabia. Tense relations between the two doesn’t do anyone any good. Do you want to see continued animosity, instability and extremism in the Middle East? 

[Phaunzie]

2 minutes ago, MaoMars said:

Do you really want to exist in a scenario where China, Saudi Arabia and Iran dominate the political and cultural factors? Imagine the morality police killing ppl for not wearing hijabs or the lack of anti-domestic violence legislation. 

Its a stupid desire.

I just want a multi-polar world, instead of just American hegemony. Like do you think that just because China made diplomatic ties with Saudi Arabia or Iran that, the world is regressing. I am confused, because all I see is increased competition for the US dollar.

 

Multi Polar World: More than one global superpower.

 

[HEAVYONIT]

While peace agreements between two countries are good, authoritarian countries meddling in international politics is not good for the world.  

[Communion]

1 hour ago, MAKSIM said:

“China brokers peace between Iran and Saudi Arabia” or “Iran can’t afford to use any of its military force outside its borders now due to civilian uprising”

"Actually, I want countries who are at war to forever want to kill one another if it's not MY country brokering peace!"

 

America is a young, naive little nation and its nationalists characteristically so. 

[Communion]

58 minutes ago, MaoMars said:

Do you really want to exist in a scenario where China, Saudi Arabia and Iran dominate the political and cultural factors? Imagine the morality police killing ppl for not wearing hijabs or the lack of anti-domestic violence legislation. 

Its a stupid desire.

Maybe the world should instead be dominated by a country with the highest rate of imprisoned people and mass gun shootings. 

 

Oh wait. 

[MAKSIM]

7 minutes ago, Communion said:

"Actually, I want countries who are at war to forever want to kill one another if it's not MY country brokering peace!"

 

America is a young, naive little nation and its nationalists characteristically so. 

You’re so quirky and different

[Communion]

25 minutes ago, MaoMars said:

These issues are minimal compared to the lack of even a serious judicial system in China. I can assure you just the Uyghurs China puts on concentration camps double if not triple the number of incarcerations in the US.

"There's secretly 6M+ peopoe in jail in China that no one knows about, including ONE HALF of an entire ethnic group. Thus only America must lead the world and destroy China!!"

 

Some of you are so brainwashed that you're deeply unserious peopoe who can't be helped. 

 

And, no one is a "tankie". No one is downplaying the everyday racism Uyghurs may face from Han Chinese or overreach of China's security state. People are rightfully calling out that, in order to explicitly WHITEWASH the US of its crime, you will invent nonsense out of thin air.

 

Even the most hawkish China Watchers and neocons have limited their claims of how many Uyghurs have been forced through these re-education camps at 1M, and that's literally IN TOTAL aka not all at once. If you triplex how many people were in prisons and jails in the US, you'd get 6M since there's 2M incarcerated people. 

 

So, even when the most expansive estimate of the EXAMPLE YOU CITED is 1m, you want us to believe it must actually be 6m because you refuse to accept the depths of American ghoulishness? Why? Because you want American nationalists to be down with lending their defense apparatus to help complete your country's goals? Like why lie about an evil empire in the world while trying to hold a moral high ground? 

[Communion]

17 minutes ago, MaoMars said:

Its not even only the uyghurs

 

2 hours ago, Communion said:

of the EXAMPLE YOU CITED

YOU picked an example. If it backfired and made you look uninformed and uneducated over how many are incarcerated in the US, that's on you. You made a claim. You can't move goal posts cause it backfired.

 

I mean:

 

2 hours ago, MaoMars said:

 I can assure you just the Uyghurs 

"TRIPLE THE AMOUNT!!!! I CAN ASSURE YOU!!" 

 

You either literally believe 6M Uyghurs (at least 600%+ greater than even those who have brought issues of Uyghurs' rights to the UN have even claimed) - over half of the ethnic group - are somehow all in Chinese prisons right now, or you grossly and purposefully underestimated just how many Americans are in jail, and did so because you don't actually care about ANY incarcerated people, especially not Americans, which is why you'd whitewash America's carceral state for your own political goals.

 

Stop minimizing the violence and pain experienced by America's underclass to benefit your beef w/ China. 

Edited March 11, 2023 by Communion