Marianne Williamson responds to Biden's Press Secretary smug comment on her candidacy

[Orsay]

So far the only route centrist Dems have to criticize Marianne is to belittle and mock her, because they know that when it comes down to actual issues Marianne has far more progressive and popular stances than old Joe Biden. Go on though, keep not taking her seriously, just like you did with Trump in 2016!

 

and i KNOW Biden supporters in here aren’t trying to make this about race, your man PENNED the ‘94 crime bill that keeps black incarceration rates sky high to this day  glass houses please!

[Communion]

13 minutes ago, Helios said:

Okay North Korea.

Why doesn't Joe Biden just support universal healthcare if a primary challenge gets some of you this mad? 

[Forevermore.]

President Williamson

[anti-bitch]

23 minutes ago, Helios said:

Okay North Korea.

If Marianne's supposed unseriousness is her character flaw then it's hypocritical to counter that with an unserious press secretary. And I mean, you can have a light-hearted moment here and there. But I don't think this was the last time that they'll bring up the crystal ball thing.

Edited March 7, 2023 by anti-bitch

[Helios]

10 minutes ago, Communion said:

Why doesn't Joe Biden just support universal healthcare if a primary challenge gets some of you this mad? 

Why are you going so hard for someone who has NO chance at winning the presidency?

[family.guy123]

Oh wow I don’t follow politics and I don’t have a horse in this race but what an eloquent response. I love her already. Do the right thing America !

[Bloodflowers.]

30 minutes ago, Orsay said:

So far the only route centrist Dems have to criticize Marianne is to belittle and mock her, because they know that when it comes down to actual issues Marianne has far more progressive and popular stances than old Joe Biden. Go on though, keep not taking her seriously, just like you did with Trump in 2016!

 

and i KNOW Biden supporters in here aren’t trying to make this about race, your man PENNED the ‘94 crime bill that keeps black incarceration rates sky high to this day  glass houses please!

 

Marianne who supports reparations being labelled anti-black, and the randomness of how it was pulled out from nowhere in that meltdown essay, the cringe of reading through it all ksksjhdfhj  right-wing Democrats are so embarrassing

 

[family.guy123]

1 hour ago, GhostBox said:

😂 every press secretary has joked. 

they sure have 

 

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[JustLikeHoney]

1 hour ago, Communion said:

Sis, accusing progressives of being antiblack for criticizing the Democratoc establishment didn't work in 2016 or 2020 and isn't going to work in 2024. Especially not when the progressives you hate have largely non-white and black support. 

 

The new Morning Consult poll shows Marianne polls best with black voters under 30. 

 

She polls worst with white voters. I imagine we can see that from how most of you have spent the last few days deliriously screaming over an issues candidate challenging Biden from the left. 

Who cares what she is polling? She just accused a black woman of something she did not do and implied firing her for it. 

 

Is her middle name Karen? Because that, I want to talk to the manager about the help, reply was disgusting.

 

Imagine if I used a poll of how Biden is polling to excuse him of anything. 

 

The way you guys would destroy me. 

Edited March 7, 2023 by JustLikeHoney

[Jotham]

54 minutes ago, Orsay said:

So far the only route centrist Dems have to criticize Marianne is to belittle and mock her, because they know that when it comes down to actual issues Marianne has far more progressive and popular stances than old Joe Biden.

Like when she exploited AIDS patients into thinking that they can pray their disease away?

[wastedpotential]

7 minutes ago, Jotham said:

Like when she exploited AIDS patients into thinking that they can pray their disease away?

Yeah, back in the 80s and early 90s when there was literally no treatment whatsoever for AIDS so the only option left was prayers to keep AIDS patients in good spirits  

 

I'm sure there are plenty of valid critiques of her ideas and her past, but this is not one of them that can be made in good faith. 

[Bloodflowers.]

24 minutes ago, JustLikeHoney said:

Who cares what she is polling? She just accused a black woman of something she did not do and implied firing her for it. 

 

Is her middle name Karen? Because that, I want to talk to the manager about the help, reply was disgusting.

 

Imagine if I used a poll of how Biden is polling to excuse him of anything. 

 

The way you guys would destroy me. 

 

17 minutes ago, Jotham said:

Like when she exploited AIDS patients into thinking that they can pray their disease away?

 

You two need to give it up  

 

[Orsay]

18 minutes ago, Jotham said:

Like when she exploited AIDS patients into thinking that they can pray their disease away?

She was doing everything she could to raise their spirits in a time when no cure existed..

 

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Johnny Schaefer, a 57-year-old singer-songwriter in Los Angeles, was introduced to Williamson by a friend with AIDS in the ’80s. “At the time, there was nothing else,” he told me. There was no scientific response to AIDS, so nonscientific responses filled the gap. People were turning to meditation, prayer, Eastern medical traditions, and nutrition.

But Williamson wasn’t anti-medicine or anti-science, Schaefer says. “For many of us, you pray, and one of the ways God responds is through medicine and science,” he said. “It’s not one or the other. … We used to pray for a medical solution to AIDS,” and when AZT finally showed promise as a treatment for HIV, “Marianne embraced it. We all did.”

The article you posted highlights that she was fundraising and hosting AIDS supports groups in the ‘90s. What other politicians can say the same? Joe Biden and his ilk were happy to let us die in the same time period. Another quote from your article:

 

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Schaefer, the gay son of a Lutheran minister, came from an “ultra-conservative” town, and says Williamson was one of “the only ones telling gay people they were loved.”

I really don’t know what you thought you did by posting this article other than prove that Marianne is a more dedicated ally to our community than any of her opponents

[Communion]

1 hour ago, Helios said:

Why are you going so hard for someone who has NO chance at winning the presidency?

Why are you going so hard agaibst someone who you think has NO chance at winning the presidency? 

 

[JustLikeHoney]

13 minutes ago, Bloodflowers. said:

 

 

You two need to give it up  

 

You are right I'm done with this thread.

[Sazare]

3 hours ago, liver said:

oh Marianne shut up 

Yikes. The misogyny.

[Communion]

29 minutes ago, Jotham said:

Like when she exploited AIDS patients into thinking that they can pray their disease away?

You're a troll who is yet again spending another presidential primary attacking the sole candidate who supports universal healthcare. Why is that? Why lie like this?

 

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A good number of Williamson’s detractors have cited quotes from her book A Return to Love. The volume, a companion piece to A Course in Miracles, was published in 1992, before the advent of the antiretroviral drug cocktails that drastically improved AIDS prognoses and extended HIV-positive life expectancies. At the time, Williamson taught her followers with AIDS to use spiritual means to cope with the disease that had left them shunned by the medical establishment, without effective treatment, and with little reliable information about what was happening to their bodies. She had people with AIDS write letters to the virus inside them and imagine how the virus would respond.

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For some, though, they were an essential source of solace in a moment marked by paranoia, loneliness, and grief. Johnny Schaefer, a 57-year-old singer-songwriter in Los Angeles, was introduced to Williamson by a friend with AIDS in the ’80s. “At the time, there was nothing else,” he told me. There was no scientific response to AIDS, so nonscientific responses filled the gap. People were turning to meditation, prayer, Eastern medical traditions, and nutrition.

But Williamson wasn’t anti-medicine or anti-science, Schaefer says. “For many of us, you pray, and one of the ways God responds is through medicine and science,” he said. “It’s not one or the other. … We used to pray for a medical solution to AIDS,” and when AZT finally showed promise as a treatment for HIV, “Marianne embraced it. We all did

 

I'm literally the most cynical atheist possible but mocking religious people for praying for strength from God in face of AIDs or cancer is one of the lowest and most miserable things you can do. 

 

You don't think Biden, a staunch Catholic, prays to God for guidance and strength?

[Communion]

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David Kessler, an author on grief who worked with Williamson on her nonprofit Project Angel Food—Williamson has called him “the yang to my yin”—wrote in a Medium post that he saw her drive men to the doctor and pay for their AIDS medication herself. 

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Schaefer, the gay son of a Lutheran minister, came from an “ultra-conservative” town, and says Williamson was one of “the only ones telling gay people they were loved.” “When I was a kid, I literally feared I was the Antichrist, because I thought I was so evil God couldn’t love me,” he said. “Marianne taught me that was absurd and that God loves me exactly as I am.” As a volunteer for one of Project Angel Food’s programs, Project Nightlight, Schaefer says he sat with Williamson and other volunteers at the bedsides of AIDS patients nearing death. They’d sing, or just bear witness. “Marianne called us ‘midwives to the dying,’ ” Schaefer said. He credits the experience with helping him to grieve for the friends he was losing and to trust that they were peacefully transitioning to a better plane of existence.

The way that people who supported establishment candidates in 2016 and 2020 who could barely bring themselves for decades to support gay marriage want you to think this woman somehow harmed gay men because she offered the only thing she knew, her own spirituality, as some hopeful kind of tool to help those cope with the horrors of AIDs. 

 

One has to ask - why is that? What personal biases are at work? Why is it largely the affluent and wealthy who get so mad when there's a candidate who centers their candidacy on universal healthcare and that no one should die for being poor? Look at the users attacking Marianne - what is their likely financial background? Why do people who are always in their income bracket never want us questioning why Dems won't do more?

[Bloodflowers.]

11 minutes ago, JustLikeHoney said:

You are right I'm done with this thread.

 

As you should since you have no substance to contribute

 

[liver]

13 minutes ago, Sazare said:

Yikes. The misogyny.

do you even know what misogyny means

[GhostBox]

1 hour ago, Jotham said:

Like when she exploited AIDS patients into thinking that they can pray their disease away?

Ew. How disgusting. 

 

if we hold her accountable to her prior beliefs like many on here do with other politicians this is disqualifying. 
 

 

[Communion]

32 minutes ago, GhostBox said:

Ew. How disgusting. 

 

if we hold her accountable to her prior beliefs like many on here do with other politicians this is disqualifying. 

You genuinely contribute nothing of worth in constantly posting wrong, infactual things and should be banned for being a troll. 

Edited March 7, 2023 by Communion

[PrettyHurts]

She gathered her 

 

Demorats can be so condescending to anyone to doesn’t fall in line. So hypocritical from the “open minded” party 

[shookspeare]

she gagged Karine ngl

[Helios]

3 hours ago, Communion said:

Why are you going so hard agaibst someone who you think has NO chance at winning the presidency? 

 

Going hard? By calling her thin skinned? Im not the one replying to every single person who doesnt like her.