Promo is much more fun than payola playlists and forgetting the era...

[Distantconstellation]

Streaming is so boring. It's because of those promo playlists and autoplay bullshit that we rarely see an artist promote their album. Use to be 4 to 5 singles deep and the artists was still promoting. Hopefully streaming disappears soon and something better comes along. Fans look forward to interviews, performances, and everything else that should come with an album era

[FunCoric]

Agreed. you couldnt fake success back in the day

[TheRealGâteau]

1 minute ago, FunCoric said:

Agreed. you couldnt fake success back in the day

Are you sure? 

 

[Johnny Jacobs]

13 minutes ago, TheRealGâteau said:

Are you sure? 

 

And she was dragged for it to this day 

If u cheated back then.. We knew

 

OT: you're right its fun for us but for them? It's hard work wgich no one wabts ti do anymore. 

 

Streaming really ruined being a stan/enjoying an era

[Archetype]

16 minutes ago, TheRealGâteau said:

Are you sure? 

 

Unfortunately this argument falls flat considering she sold 600,000 (?) units without the Amazon deal.

[charot]

Streaming x Cancel Culture killed pop culture.

Edited March 7, 2023 by charot

[The7thStranger]

Payola isn't a new concept. It's been around since the dawn of popular music. What's killing eras is how quick and easy it is to produce and release music on streaming. It's the downside to having instant access. Everybody gets a turn, but nobody's turn lasts that long.

[TheRealGâteau]

7 minutes ago, Archetype said:

Unfortunately this argument falls flat considering she sold 600,000 (?) units without the Amazon deal.

What argument?  BTW's numbers remain nevertheless a massive success - with or without the 99ct copies. 

 

I argued against the statement that there was no possibility to "fake" numbers pre-streaming, which itself has nothing to with an album being successful or not. 

[Ivan_brit]

At the same time we support lazy artist.... I won't say any names

 

But the amout of artist that drop an album & decide to dissapeared from earth maybe just maybe to a tour.... or some artits not even do that just 1 or 3 festivals

[krustysalt]

Payola was worse pre streaming era.

 

Big factor was the pandemic. Autoplay and playlist are just the results of the changes in the music industry during the pandemic. The whole event changed artists promo cycle

[Kayseri Mantisi]

 

[Dystopian]

planet her, happier than ever, future nostalgia and sour all had 5 or more singles with expensive videos, performances, promo, ect.

it doesn't really have much to do with streaming, tho award show performances and tv promo isn't really useful anymore, it's just that established acts who've been in the game for 10+ years don't care about doing all that extra **** anymore 

[Leptine]

10 minutes ago, TheRealGâteau said:

What argument?  BTW's numbers remain nevertheless a massive success - with or without the 99ct copies. 

 

I argued against the statement that there was no possibility to "fake" numbers pre-streaming, which itself has nothing to with an album being successful or not. 

Can't believe people still don't get that It was an Amazon decision in first to put the album at that price and obviously there was a demand for which it was convenient for the company doing that considering we're talking digital copies when music illegal download was still a thing, no matter how little, people still had to spend money in order to get the album, the numbers of copies sold was legit and not "fake", that example has nothing to do with today playlist placement or autoplay manipulation.

 

The case of the Tidal fraudulence is probably an example that fit better the case of fake streams and numbers.

[OreGuy]

She was paid by Amazon for the full price. She won.

[vale9001]

3 minutes ago, Dystopian said:

planet her, happier than ever, future nostalgia and sour all had 5 or more singles with expensive videos, performances, promo, ect.

it doesn't really have much to do with streaming, tho award show performances and tv promo isn't really useful anymore, it's just that established acts who've been in the game for 10+ years don't care about doing all that extra **** anymore 

Or Harry Styles. A lot of promo around.

 

they're really thing these Taylor Swift, Lady Gaga and Beyoncè with 600M dollars on their bank account are here dying to perform at 8 a.m on Good Morning america if it's not changing nothing in their sales.

They already did it so many times in the past to get where they are now so they don't care anymore. 

[Kékette]

1 hour ago, TheRealGâteau said:

Are you sure? 

 

this is a amazon service's promo, not gaga's promo...

 

And she did a lot (physical) promo so...

[Lose My Breath]

Payola was way worse ages ago

[halcyonday]

1 hour ago, Dystopian said:

planet her, happier than ever, future nostalgia and sour all had 5 or more singles with expensive videos, performances, promo, ect.

it doesn't really have much to do with streaming, tho award show performances and tv promo isn't really useful anymore, it's just that established acts who've been in the game for 10+ years don't care about doing all that extra **** anymore 

you named like the only eras in the last 3(!) years that had all of that. it used to be like this with every era of basically everyone.  

[wantedyoutogrow]

2 hours ago, FunCoric said:

Agreed. you couldnt fake success back in the day

labels have been "faking" success since the dinosaur age...

[Dystopian]

3 minutes ago, halcyonday said:

you named like the only eras in the last 3(!) years that had all of that. it used to be like this with every era of basically everyone.  

desire i want to turn into you, diamonds & dancefloors, crash and dirt femme all have 5 or more singles, and i can go on. smaller artists like them were hardly ever doing huge promo runs back then anyway, but they've still done videos and promo.

the point i was trying to make is that ATRL's established faves like gaga, taylor, bey, ect. have been in the game long enough to where they don't need to do extensive promo anymore and they can just let their status do the selling.

[Green]

Streaming kills the eras really fast by the time the second single is released because everything peaks during the album release week  on streaming, unless the artist releases 4 or 5 singles before the album   

 

Just look at Harry's House for example:

One smash before the album release

Second single, a decent hit

Third single, pushed by radio but it peaked on streaming during the release so it was a flop despite of the top 10 peak it got during the album release week

 

Sure Harry's House still gets good numbers currently but it's basically thanks to As It Was which outlasted the 2nd and 3rd single. The same way Anti-hero will outlast the Lavender song

[Badgalbriel]

That's just the way music is consumed now. People now listen to entire albums, so it doesn't make sense to have multiple singles. 

[Totami Legend]

3 minutes ago, Badgalbriel said:

That's just the way music is consumed now. People now listen to entire albums, so it doesn't make sense to have multiple singles. 

people don't listen to albums anymore, self made playlists or payolaed playlists rules the way most people consume music now 

 

with great exceptions obviously: 

[Badgalbriel]

4 minutes ago, Totami Legend said:

people don't listen to albums anymore, self made playlists or payolaed playlists rules the way most people consume music now 

 

with great exceptions obviously: 

That's actually true. The reason why we don't see a lot of post album singles is because that single has already be é heavily consumed before during the album run

[FunCoric]

36 minutes ago, Green said:

Streaming kills the eras really fast by the time the second single is released because everything peaks during the album release week  on streaming, unless the artist releases 4 or 5 singles before the album   

 

Just look at Harry's House for example:

One smash before the album release

Second single, a decent hit

Third single, pushed by radio but it peaked on streaming during the release so it was a flop despite of the top 10 peak it got during the album release week

 

Sure Harry's House still gets good numbers currently but it's basically thanks to As It Was which outlasted the 2nd and 3rd single. The same way Anti-hero will outlast the Lavender song

How did DUA do it then?