2 Americans dead+2 rescued in Mexican cartel crossfire, mistaken as Haitian smugglers

[J Legend X]

6 minutes ago, JohnWayneHolland said:

Pinches gringos actuando como si en su país no hubiera balaceras en iglesias, escuelas o literalmente en cualquier lado  "omg Mexico is not safe I'm never going there outside of Los Cabos" no vengas wey, quédate allá a qué te balaceen mientras paseas a tu perro.

exacto, por eso le estoy diciendo al otro usuario que deje de generalizar y hablar como que si en USA no hubiese violencia... me molesta el white entitlement ! 

[JohnWayneHolland]

Just now, J Legend X said:

exacto, por eso le estoy diciendo al otro usuario que deje de generalizar y hablar como que si en USA no hubiese violencia... me molesta el white entitlement ! 

La mayoría de sus habitantes (principalmente Republicanos) siguen creyendo que su país es el mejor de todos y actúan como si los demás les debiéramos la vida, pasa mucho con turistas que vienen a Mexico y se sienten con el derecho de discriminar a los habitantes de aquí o a sus costumbres/tradiciones/cultura  si no te gusta regrésate a tu país 

[Elusive Chanteuse]

I've always been afraid of Mexico after watching a documentary about the cartels. I don't think it's any less safe than Chicago or Detroit though.

 

[-brian]

36 minutes ago, J Legend X said:

exacto, por eso le estoy diciendo al otro usuario que deje de generalizar y hablar como que si en USA no hubiese violencia... me molesta el white entitlement ! 

 

27 minutes ago, JohnWayneHolland said:

La mayoría de sus habitantes (principalmente Republicanos) siguen creyendo que su país es el mejor de todos y actúan como si los demás les debiéramos la vida, pasa mucho con turistas que vienen a Mexico y se sienten con el derecho de discriminar a los habitantes de aquí o a sus costumbres/tradiciones/cultura  si no te gusta regrésate a tu país 

The original user literally said the US was a violent country and he doesn’t want live there either. Yet you want to talk about them so bad  

 

OT: What a tragic story.. I can’t imagine what they were going through  

Edited March 7, 2023 by -brian

[Azulito]

1 hour ago, Protocol said:

It depends on your definition of safe. It's a developing country. A percentage of the population lives in what you would perceive as wealthy first world conditions, with nice cars, good jobs, country clubs, etc. But then a large part of the population lives with vastly less than what people are used to in the first world. The issues with crime that come out of that inequality inevitably spill over into the nicer parts every so often. So, compared to somewhere like Spain or Denmark? Not safe at all. Not even the resort towns like Puerto Vallarta. And there are areas in Mexico that are basically a small scale civil war between cartels. But then thousands of people vacation in Mexico without many issues every year. But every so often someone does die at a resort because the safety issues that affect every third world country pop up. It could be armed robbery gone wrong. It could be violent police. It could be lack of food inspection leading to food poisoning death. These issues are just more likely to occur in a country like that. When you go to any developing country, you have to realize that you are in a different land with different rules. Police are not going to act the way they do in Europe or (white) America. The standards you are used to may not be the same. The level of trust you put in safety features we in the first world take for granted, like proper maintenance on a rollercoaster or nightclubs having fire extinguishers and clear exits is not going to be comparable. Incidents like that happen way more in developing countries because the huge infrastructure, education level and government spending and efficiency needed to create a highly functional, safe society is lacking compared to 1st world countries.

 

TLDR: You will probably be fine in well known resort towns and Mexico DF but do not ever go north near the American border, and have a "hope for the best, plan for the worst" attitude, and keep your wits and street smarts about you.

 

Source: lived in Latin America for 10 years

The amount of generalizations are genuinely shocking. Just because you lived in Latin America for 10 years does not mean you know anything about Mexico

[Tusk]

I’ve been to Mexico many times and never felt unsafe. But yes, depends on where you are and just about timing of things.

 

You cannot generalize whole countries on whether they are “safe” or not. 

[Trent W]

1 hour ago, Protocol said:

It depends on your definition of safe. It's a developing country. A percentage of the population lives in what you would perceive as wealthy first world conditions, with nice cars, good jobs, country clubs, etc. But then a large part of the population lives with vastly less than what people are used to in the first world. The issues with crime that come out of that inequality inevitably spill over into the nicer parts every so often. So, compared to somewhere like Spain or Denmark? Not safe at all. Not even the resort towns like Puerto Vallarta. And there are areas in Mexico that are basically a small scale civil war between cartels. But then thousands of people vacation in Mexico without many issues every year. But every so often someone does die at a resort because the safety issues that affect every third world country pop up. It could be armed robbery gone wrong. It could be violent police. It could be lack of food inspection leading to food poisoning death. These issues are just more likely to occur in a country like that. When you go to any developing country, you have to realize that you are in a different land with different rules. Police are not going to act the way they do in Europe or (white) America. The standards you are used to may not be the same. The level of trust you put in safety features we in the first world take for granted, like proper maintenance on a rollercoaster or nightclubs having fire extinguishers and clear exits is not going to be comparable. Incidents like that happen way more in developing countries because the huge infrastructure, education level and government spending and efficiency needed to create a highly functional, safe society is lacking compared to 1st world countries.

 

TLDR: You will probably be fine in well known resort towns and Mexico DF but do not ever go north near the American border, and have a "hope for the best, plan for the worst" attitude, and keep your wits and street smarts about you.

 

Source: lived in Latin America for 10 years

I’ve been to Canada for seasons too, and it’s definitely safer, I agree.

[Trent W]

1 hour ago, ptolemaea said:

Lol you wont catch me there outside of Cancun or PV...

Mmmm Cancun is unsafe af right now

 

There’s a problem with taxis mafia and there’s been issues with drug cartels in the last few years.

 

Most big cities and beaches in Mexico are super safe, Cancun at some point will return to its natural form.

 

But I recommend reading before traveling because your comment was a bit ignorant tbh.

[J Legend X]

37 minutes ago, -brian said:

 

The original user literally said the US was a violent country and he doesn’t want live there either. Yet you want to talk about them so bad  

 

OT: What a tragic story.. I can’t imagine what they were going through  

my reply was not to the original post tho... 

[Archetype]

2 hours ago, Power love said:

Is Mexico not safe too travel?

Most ATRLers would rather live in Mexico City than Los Angeles or NYC if they had the chance to spend a few months in each city.  Higher quality of life, safer, cheaper, more greenery, better food, etc.  There are many super nice safe areas of the country but you’ll only ever hear about the border cities which are always dangerous and no one travels to (like how European tourists don’t visit Detroit).

[-brian]

10 minutes ago, J Legend X said:

my reply was not to the original post tho... 

The person you were talking to said that about the US. He was talking about Canada and other places in Europe. So why are you talking about the US. 

[Into The Void]

2 hours ago, Communion said:

"crossed border for medicine"

 

Why are Americans having to resort to crossing into other countries to afford medicine? 

Because medicine in America can be expensive sometimes even with insurance depending on what it is and u can get it in Mexico for next to nothing 

Edited March 7, 2023 by Insanity

[Protocol]

51 minutes ago, Marvin said:

The amount of generalizations are genuinely shocking. Just because you lived in Latin America for 10 years does not mean you know anything about Mexico

I've spent months at a time in Mexico lol. Harsh truths hurt. It's not a first world country.

[Protocol]

16 minutes ago, Archetype said:

Most ATRLers would rather live in Mexico City than Los Angeles or NYC if they had the chance to spend a few months in each city.  Higher quality of life, safer, cheaper, more greenery, better food, etc.  There are many super nice safe areas of the country but you’ll only ever hear about the border cities which are always dangerous and no one travels to (like how European tourists don’t visit Detroit).

Salaries are so low in Mexico though...

[Guest]

2 hours ago, Communion said:

"crossed border for medicine"

 

Why are Americans having to resort to crossing into other countries to afford medicine? 

You are such a contrarian these days, and…for what? 
 

OT:

1 hour ago, JohnWayneHolland said:

Pinches gringos actuando como si en su país no hubiera balaceras en iglesias, escuelas o literalmente en cualquier lado  "omg Mexico is not safe I'm never going there outside of Los Cabos" no vengas wey, quédate allá a qué te balaceen mientras paseas a tu perro.

OH MY GOD

[DoubleRainbow!]

3 hours ago, Protocol said:

I know a lot of Americans and Canadians who love spending time in Mexico. I left Latin America because it's so unsafe so I'm just like.... lol. I'd rather pay more for a flight and go to Spain.

ok?

_______

if you travel to popular areas like Cancun, Puerto Vallarta, Los Cabos, you'll be fine.

why would you go to Matamoros?

[Guest]

The in-fighting  

[Communion]

4 minutes ago, Limitless said:

You are such a contrarian these days

 

rhe·tor·i·cal ques·tion 

noun

1. a question asked in order to create a dramatic effect or to make a point rather than to get an answer.

   "the presentation was characterized by impossibly long sentences and a succession of rhetorical questions"

[fememeist]

3 hours ago, Espresso said:

Generalizations are not helpful for a region in such dire need of tourism dollars but accusations of xenophobia are bit hair-trigger around here. Nor are discussions of U.S. involvement in Central and South America (especially in the 1970's) helpful in the short-term for those being affected now in the region. Longer-term, sure. Not speaking of you specifically, just speaking generally. All that said, I've always felt the drug war was lost a long time ago.

 

Regardless, here's a link to the current color-coded State Department map as I'm having trouble with the image transfer at the moment.

https://travelmaps.state.gov/TSGMap/?extent=-124.207939566,14.44327709,-84.313397286,33.446969624

 

The region of the kidnapping is literally in red as it has been for weeks due to current daily gun battles between several gangs of warring cartels. 

 

 

Let me cancel my trip to Puerto Vallarta chile…

[Guest]

12 minutes ago, Communion said:

 

rhe·tor·i·cal ques·tion 

noun

1. a question asked in order to create a dramatic effect or to make a point rather than to get an answer.

   "the presentation was characterized by impossibly long sentences and a succession of rhetorical questions"

No question was asked, what are you on about?

[Communion]

2 minutes ago, Limitless said:

No question was asked

 

3 hours ago, Communion said:

Why are Americans having to resort to crossing into other countries to afford medicine? 

Sis.  

[Guest]

3 minutes ago, Communion said:

 

Sis.  

You just quoted yourself girl 

[Communion]

9 minutes ago, Limitless said:

You just quoted yourself girl 

Sis, are you drunk? I'm saying my original post was rhetorical, which makes your hostile post even odder / Illogical. 

Edited March 7, 2023 by Communion

[Delirious]

usually they never target tourists cause its very bad rep for tourism so idk why they would do something like this

 

i really hope they didnt suffer horrible deaths cause cartel kidnappings usually result in horrifying, slow, tortorous detahs

[Summerboy95]

4 hours ago, Protocol said:

I know a lot of Americans and Canadians who love spending time in Mexico. I left Latin America because it's so unsafe so I'm just like.... lol. I'd rather pay more for a flight and go to Spain.

I'd rather have a demonized unsafety by the developed countries' media than mass shooters and terrorism 

Are we also forgetting the concentration camps for arab and Latino children in the US? The racism and xenophobia in Spain/Europe? Talking about safety LOL... 

 

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So sad seeing so many Latinos resenting their roots just because they can't buy the latest iPhone here. 

 

Anyways, it's sad to see united states citizens having to flee from their developed country to get cheaper/free medicine.