Conservative Michael Knowles calls for exterminating Transgender people

[flashdagoat]

4 minutes ago, nadiamendell said:

Transgender people have literally always existed. Please read a history book. 

Until ~40 years ago people who had gender dysphoria were simply regarded as mentally unsound. Society embracing the ideology that men who believe they are women are actually women is recent. Please stop acting slow. 

Edited March 5, 2023 by flashdagoat

[Communion]

10 minutes ago, flashdagoat said:

Except transgenderism IS an ideology that has only become popularized in the last few decades.

Again, you can easily replace "transgenderism" with "homosexuality" and you can't answer the point.

 

There are billions of people on this planet who falsely believe that humans are naturally predisposition by evolution to only be attracted to the opposite binary sex. Such doesn't entitle people to call for the genocide of gay people.

 

If you can only refer to naturalist fallacies (you know what's natural that non-human animals do? shitting in the woods as opposed to using indoor plumbing) or fallacies that claim something being "new" is bad (you know what's also a recent social norm? being against child labor) in order to promote your transphobia and homophobia, I doubt ATRL is the place for you.

Edited March 5, 2023 by Communion

[Tylerbv]

I love how conservatives call everyone a snowflake but are so outrageously offended when a trans person exists. Throw the whole party into the volcano.

[Communion]

3 minutes ago, flashdagoat said:

Until ~40 years ago people who had gender dysphoria were simply regarded as mentally unsound. 

You're walking yourself right into it. 

 

[Tylerbv]

4 minutes ago, flashdagoat said:

Until ~40 years ago people who had gender dysphoria were simply regarded as mentally unsound. Society embracing the ideology that men who believe they are women are actually women is recent. Please stop acting slow. 

If you're gay, this is the stupidest post ever. 

 

If you're being hateful towards people for existing, get off this forum and move to 4chan.

[Tylerbv]

1 minute ago, Communion said:

You're walking yourself right into it. 

 

[flashdagoat]

2 minutes ago, Communion said:

Again, you can easily replace "transgenderism" with "homosexuality" and you can't answer the point.

 

There are billions of people on this planet who falsely believe that humans are naturally predisposition by evolution to only be attracted to the opposite binary sex. Such doesn't entitle people to call for the genocide of gay people.

 

If you can only refer to naturalist fallacies (you know what's natural? shitting in the woods as opposed to using indoor plumbing) or fallacies that claim something being "new" is bad (you know wha's also a recent social norms? being against child labor) in order to promote your transphobia and homophobia, I doubt ATRL is the place for you.

The entire point of my original post was to point out how people on this site purposely and insidiously misrepresent the right the same way Fox News purposely and insidiously misrepresents the left. 

 

 

I now see that atrl'ers do this out of sheer ineptitude rather than any desire to be nefarious  

 

 

[nadiamendell]

3 minutes ago, flashdagoat said:

Until ~40 years ago people who had gender dysphoria were simply regarded as mentally unsound. Society embracing the ideology that men who believe they are women are actually women is recent. Please stop acting slow. 

And gays were also treated with conversion and electroshock therapy. Why are you trying to revert society back 40 years?  Previous views held by society for thousands of years are proven wrong all the time. This isn't a new thing. 

[Communion]

1 minute ago, flashdagoat said:

how people on this site purposely and insidiously misrepresent the right 

OR as LGBT people, we're pointing out how you're being contrarian and that your argument boils down to trying to make a distinction without a difference, because whether you're calling for the genocide of a "trans/gay ideology" or the genocide of "trans/gay people", both result in the material suffering of LGBT people and violence.

 

People aren't "misrepresenting" the right. We have the experience to know what their dog whistles mean. 

 

Wanna know the product of calling for "exterminating the trans ideology"? Killing trans people.

[nadiamendell]

5 minutes ago, flashdagoat said:

The entire point of my original post was to point out how people on this site purposely and insidiously misrepresent the right the same way Fox News purposely and insidiously misrepresents the left. 

 

 

I now see that atrl'ers do this out of sheer ineptitude rather than any desire to be nefarious  

 

 

There's literally no misrepresentation here. Let's face it, you would have been arguing Hitler was just being "misunderstood" in WWII-era Germany.  

[Tylerbv]

9 minutes ago, flashdagoat said:

The entire point of my original post was to point out how people on this site purposely and insidiously misrepresent the right the same way Fox News purposely and insidiously misrepresents the left. 

 

 

I now see that atrl'ers do this out of sheer ineptitude rather than any desire to be nefarious  

 

 

The irony of calling people on ATRL inept while putting an unnecessary apostrophe in "atrl'ers". Just say you **** your cousin and go.

[elevate]

It's obvious this is the end goal with trans folks, but they clearly will do what they can with same-sex marriage as well.

 

It's why I just don't get the trans discussions in general. It's always the same "that's not what she meant" or "he's not transphobic; there needs to be a middle ground", etc. 

 

I can understand people being curious about sports and referring to specialists in rule-setting, but that's never what it's really about. The end goal is the complete removal of trans folk, and then others after. So the whole "discussion" is just disingenuous and repetitive. I feel like irl people can spot these kinds of fraudulent, repetitive tactics from close-minded family members / acquaintances, but it seems to go over a lot of people's heads online.

Edited March 5, 2023 by elevate

[flashdagoat]

30 minutes ago, Communion said:

your argument boils down to trying to make a distinction without a difference, because whether you're calling for the genocide of a "trans/gay ideology" or the genocide of "trans/gay people", both result in the material suffering of LGBT people and violence.

So when people advocate for the "eradication" of the traditional Christian ideology that states that men and women have defined gender roles, do you equate that to "advocating for the genocide of Christians" or do you see that as what it actually is: a disagreement of ideas?

 

 

Something tells me your ludicrous "disagreement = genocide" maxim only works in one direction   

[Communion]

4 minutes ago, flashdagoat said:

So when people advocate for the "eradication" of the traditional Christian ideology

You're an idiot and will be permabanned soon for hiding behind a dupe. 

[flashdagoat]

4 minutes ago, Communion said:

You're an idiot and will be permabanned soon for hiding behind a dupe. 

Wow. I can just tell you're itching to censor and exterminate every person who disagrees with you, let alone their mere ideas. Layers upon layers of irony!

Edited March 5, 2023 by flashdagoat

[Communion]

13 minutes ago, flashdagoat said:

I can tell you're just itching to censor and exterminate every person who disagrees with you, let alone their mere ideas. Layers upon layers of irony!

[Harrier]

Some defences of this literal genocidal language in here  

 

If he said something like 'radical gender ideology' that'd be a more standard conservative take. But 'eradicate transgenderism from public life' is literally no different from 'eradicate trans people from public life'. Some of you are somehow forgetting trans people are a group of people. Transgenderism is the basis of their identity & humanity. It's not the same as your takes about belief systems like Christianity or whatever @flashdagoat

[Communion]

Even the #proudlycentrist CIA lady is calling this out. That some of you are to the right of the some of the most right-wing Dems in your desire to defend what amounts to calls for genocide. Some of y'all should be ashamed 

 

 

[Gladiator]

It is gender itself that should be eliminated. People should be free to live however they like and whatever makes them feel most themselves without the binaries of male and female being assigned to interests, expressions, and even down to personality characteristics and adjectives. 

[Protocol]

3 hours ago, flashdagoat said:

Except transgenderism IS an ideology that has only become popularized in the last few decades. There are billions of people on this planet who consider Sam Smith a man and Elliot Page a woman and do not care what they "identify" as, because they believe in biological realities  and discard all the extra fanfare introduced in the last 40 years or so. Do you agree with them, or even have to? Clearly not, but equating 99% of the human population's beliefs to Nazi fascism is a reach if I've ever seen one and a complete fallacy. 

At some point in the not too recent past, something 99% of humanity's view was likely that homosexuality was immoral and abhorrent and should be punished so...

[Protocol]

47 minutes ago, Gladiator said:

It is gender itself that should be eliminated. People should be free to live however they like and whatever makes them feel most themselves without the binaries of male and female being assigned to interests, expressions, and even down to personality characteristics and adjectives. 

I agree, sports, bathrooms, changing rooms and retail products (including clothes, toiletries, etc) should be gender neutral. As should every aspect of medicine. It's not women's health, it's vaginal health or mammary gland health etc. We are human beings not a gender binary. Some men have vaginas, some women have penises. And please make gender reveal parties illegal, they cause enough wildfires as is...

[Bosque]

The way I thought “I guess some ATRLers will agree with him” before opening this thread, and sure enough some people are defending him 

 

4 hours ago, flashdagoat said:

Until ~40 years ago people who had gender dysphoria were simply regarded as mentally unsound. Society embracing the ideology that men who believe they are women are actually women is recent. Please stop acting slow. 

I am begging you to pick up a history book  the world didnt start in the USA in 1850

[Contessa]

I mean, advocating for the ”eradication of transgenderism from public life” in front of the CPAC audience will surely only spur a heated intellectual discussion surrounding the “gender ideology.” 

Edited March 5, 2023 by Contessa

[bluebirdsforever]

8 hours ago, flashdagoat said:

Except transgenderism IS an ideology that has only become popularized in the last few decades. There are billions of people on this planet who consider Sam Smith a man and Elliot Page a woman and do not care what they "identify" as, because they believe in biological realities  and discard all the extra fanfare introduced in the last 40 years or so. Do you agree with them, or even have to? Clearly not, but equating 99% of the human population's beliefs to Nazi fascism is a reach if I've ever seen one and a complete fallacy. 

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[Cloudy]

My brain glitched and thought it was about Beyoncé's father and then I remembered he is not named Michael, but Matthew

 

The right are so bored, like you would think there would be more important issues in life in general that a crusade against Trans people.