are Madonna & Mariah peers?

[Power love]

Prince, Michael, Janet, Madonna, Mariah, & Celine are all top notch/tier. I do see them as peers even though it might not be directly accurate but logically it makes sense to call them peers with how massive all of them were at the same time & how all of them shaded each other. 

[GlamSlam]

9 minutes ago, stevyy said:

Céline debuted 1 year BEFORE Madonna... how is she Mariah's peer when Madonna is not?

Maybe they didn't know Celine's first album was in 81.  A lot of people don't.

[#Beautiful]

7 minutes ago, banterfly said:

For sure!

theyre also peers in movies, one put glitter out in 2001 which was panned and the other put out swept away in 2002 which often gets called the worst movie ever made

[stevyy]

2 minutes ago, GlamSlam said:

Maybe they didn't know Celine's first album was in 81.  A lot of people don't.

they will use the french market card... and then use shakira as mariah's peer whose 1st english language album was released 12 years after Mariah's debut. 

 

So, by all means, Mariah is peerless as nobody compares, outstanding rank = confirmed. 

[stevyy]

1 minute ago, #Beautiful said:

theyre also peers in movies, one put glitter out in 2001 which was panned and the other put out swept away in 2002 which often gets called the worst movie ever made

one signed that tidal deal and the other signed divorce papers. 

 

madonna was in an abusive marriage, so was Mariah. 

 

the plot thickens. 

 

Both had siblings selling nasty stories to british tabloids.

 

Both lost 1 parent to cancer.

 

both were blond in 2008.

 

both recorded a song with JT and Nicki.

 

 

 

 

[#Beautiful]

5 minutes ago, stevyy said:

one signed that tidal deal and the other signed divorce papers. 

 

madonna was in an abusive marriage, so was Mariah. 

 

the plot thickens. 

 

Both had siblings selling nasty stories to british tabloids.

 

Both lost 1 parent to cancer.

 

both were blond in 2008.

 

both recorded a song with JT and Nicki.

 

 

 

 

the first line SENT ME SNSNSNSNSNSN 💀💀💀💀💀

[UseYourIllusion2002]

3 hours ago, Zaynsus said:

 

This is definitely why Madonna and Whitney are considered Mariah's peers by many, they were already 8 and 5 years respectively into their careers by the time Mariah debuted yet they were still very relevant and massively successful (with Whitney peaking in 1992-1993 and Madonna had already earned the Queen of Pop title). The same can be said about Janet.

If Mariah had debuted, let's say 5 years later in 1995 when Madonna was already 13 years into her career and she was having lukewarm success with Bedtime Stories (I know Take a Bow smashed which caused the album to sell well in the end, but overall and especially in the beginning the era was kinda underperforming), then they probably wouldn't have been seen as peers. But it makes sense for Whitney/Janet to be considered Mariah's peers. Whitney debuted 5 years prior to Mariah, which isn't that long of a time (at least not nearly a decade like Madonna), and plus their vocals probably caused more comparisons. And Janet's Control was only 4 years before Mariah's debut, and they're only 3 years apart in age, so it makes sense that they're seen as peers. Along with Music Box/Janet. both dominating in 1993.

[Bacardo Royale]

Maybe not in the 90s but they are considered peers now

[brenda-walsh]

technically no, but most people from the GP would consider them peers

 

they were both huge throughout the 90s and lots of 2000s popgirls cited them as major influences, not to mention their respective comebacks in 2005 and having huge hit songs in 2008 

 

there were even articles/ video clips in the mid 90s grouping them two, janet, whitney, and celine all together as the biggest divas in competition

 

https://ew.com/article/1995/10/06/divas-duke-it-out-charts/

 

[Protocol]

Kind of I guess? I feel like they've been peers since the mid 2000s. Before that, maybe Madonna was the senior and Mariah was still a relative newcomer.

[Soda Pop Queen]

no and I doubt Mariah sees them as peers either with the way she acted like Madonna was over the hill in 1995  

 

 

 

 

They competed on the charts for a time but they aren't technically peers. Madonna just managed her longevity alongside the next couple of generations of female artists so people think the younger ones are comparable to her. I think it's flattering on both ends. Reminds me of how a lot of you are always comparing all the digital age/streaming age girls to Beyoncé even though they all were sort of raised on some era of her career.

Edited March 2, 2023 by Soda Pop Queen

[Soda Pop Queen]

5 hours ago, chaklux said:

They are not peers strictly speaking but it still make sense to compare them. They are both legends who are currently legacy acts. People compare legends of different eras life MJ vs Elvis Or vs The beatles. Irrespective of the eras, legacy acts are kinda done and I feel their careers can still be compared

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[Bonjourtristesse]

If Madonna (debuted in 83) and Mariah (debuted in 90) are peers, then Mariah is a peer with Beyonce (debuted in 97), so she's still not the most streamed among her peers. Anyway, the Billboard Hot 100 All Time chart that's released today should end this discussion for once and for all. Madonna #1 and Mariah #2. Both legends 

[LittleStarmen]

No they are not. Madonna =80s . Mariah = 90s

 

[Soda Pop Queen]

8 hours ago, Mariya Takeuchi said:

Prince's debut was 78 so he's not one of her peers

 

OT; no

Sure he is. They both started their recording careers in the late 70s, it's just that Madonna didn't have a record contract until 1981. They are the same age (born the exact same year) and started their commercial prime in the same year of 1984. By your logic, MJ wouldn't be a peer of hers either and his career is older than both hers and Prince's. I think your peers group is mainly defined by the people you came of age together with. In the world of popular music, that would mean artists that are around the same age and had their initial superstar years around the same time.

[GreatestLoveofAll]

43 minutes ago, Soda Pop Queen said:

Sure he is. They both started their recording careers in the late 70s, it's just that Madonna didn't have a record contract until 1981. They are the same age (born the exact same year) and started their commercial prime in the same year of 1984. By your logic, MJ wouldn't be a peer of hers either and his career is older than both hers and Prince's. I think your peers group is mainly defined by the people you came of age together with. In the world of popular music, that would mean artists that are around the same age and had their initial superstar years around the same time.

I mean this makes sense overall. MJ still a little different tho cause he was smashing as a lead vocalist of a successful group almost a decade before either Prince or Madonna, has solo success well before them two and was already a global household name during the Off the Wall era arguably so.

[Orsay]

If ATRL existed in the 90s Mariah might have been considered part of a younger gen, but now they might as well be peers

[EnigmaticAndroid]

9 hours ago, xfreshkidxx said:

Yes and Mariah ate her up. 

This 

[Soda Pop Queen]

5 minutes ago, GreatestLoveofAll said:

I mean this makes sense overall. MJ still a little different tho cause he was smashing as a lead vocalist of a successful group almost a decade before either Prince or Madonna, has solo success well before them two and was already a global household name during the Off the Wall era arguably so.

All true but he still didn't commercially peak in the 70s. He peaked when the artists in his age group got their foot in the door and they all hit their peak years together. He's a weird one because he was a literal baby when he first started topping the charts with his brothers and that is a rare feat already. There were only a couple of artists in the years prior that topped the H100 at such young ages and he was even younger than them, so he didn't really have any artists his age to share that success with except maybe The Osmonds/Donny Osmond but that was brief. MJ and The Jacksons hit a slump in the mid-70s and he was just climbing out of it when Prince came on the scene. I'd even wager to say the arrival and promotion of Prince, Madonna, et al pushed him to further heights. Iron sharpens iron. We could also argue that they wouldn't have happened on the scale they did without MJ and Off the Wall so they are all intrinsically linked as peers.

[GreatestLoveofAll]

1 minute ago, Soda Pop Queen said:

All true but he still didn't commercially peak in the 70s. He peaked when the artists in his age group got their foot in the door and they all hit their peak years together. He's a weird one because he was a literal baby when he first started topping the charts with his brothers and that is a rare feat already. There were only a couple of artists in the years prior that topped the H100 at such young ages and he was even younger than them, so he didn't really have any artists his age to share that success with except maybe The Osmonds/Donny Osmond but that was brief. MJ and The Jacksons hit a slump in the mid-70s and he was just climbing out of it when Prince came on the scene. I'd even wager to say the arrival and promotion of Prince, Madonna, et al pushed him to further heights. Iron sharpens iron. We could also argue that they wouldn't have happened on the scale they did without MJ and Off the Wall so they are all intrinsically linked as peers.

Yeah he peaked when they did I guess I was just pointing out that his career isnt as neatly drawn in the parallel you made tho all in all it makes sense.

 

 

[Mandalay]

They are not, but Madonna was jealous of Mariah and some other singers, and Mariah's retaliation has them madonnanation and stans triggered since the 90s, which is a kii.

[ariesgroove]

madonna’s peers are more janet and whitney, any major pop girl from the 80s basically. i would group mariah more with 90s acts given that’s when she actually debuted.