GhostBox Posted February 26, 2023 Posted February 26, 2023 So they still aren’t 100%💀 we may never know for sure
Communion Posted February 26, 2023 Posted February 26, 2023 25 minutes ago, wastedpotential said: I just want to know why the ******* Department of Energy, of all bodies, has to take an official stance on this Their focus is almost entirely on energy policy and nuclear weapons This conclusion from the DoE is about as relevant to the issue as if the Department of Transportation were to do it Apparently the justification used is that the number of US labs the DoE run globally makes this relevant to their expertise? Despite now being the only agency to side with lab leak besides... the FBI?
BlondGuts Posted February 26, 2023 Posted February 26, 2023 1 hour ago, shyboi said: So, what's the truth? Was it a natural mutation or was it a lab leak? It can be both. A lab leak doesn’t mean it was released intentionally. If this is true, then the most likely thing that happened was that SARS-nCOV-2 was being studied from a natural sample of bat-like coronaviruses and a worker accidentally spilled something or made a mistake thus allowing a viral particle to escape and replicate. There really could have been no malicious intention behind the leak, just a big BIG oopsie
HEAVYONIT Posted February 26, 2023 Posted February 26, 2023 The morons in this thread that believe anything. There are TONS of coronaviruses in the world, all in different animals. They make the jump from animals to humans. The virus wasn't "created". Learn some science.
LittleStarmen Posted February 26, 2023 Posted February 26, 2023 Wether it was intentional or not of course it it was Lab Made. The Virus not only had a super combo of virulence and spread that hasnt seen before but it affect mostly overweight and old peopld (aka americans and chinose seniors)
Sesame Posted February 26, 2023 Posted February 26, 2023 51 minutes ago, Communion said: They did, including how to prevent it, but most of our governments prioritized profits instead of their advie “Chinese scientists gave you written instructions in 25 languages on exactly how to beat it within a month of the outbreak- instructions which you ignored for years and we successfully implemented.” This is the same country that brazenly lies about its own Covid statistics.
ThisNihilist Posted February 26, 2023 Posted February 26, 2023 My proof that it originated in China was the the black swan that appeared in Tiananmen Square lol
Illuminati Posted February 26, 2023 Posted February 26, 2023 29 minutes ago, Sesame said: “Chinese scientists gave you written instructions in 25 languages on exactly how to beat it within a month of the outbreak- instructions which you ignored for years and we successfully implemented.” This is the same country that brazenly lies about its own Covid statistics. Like how is that working out for China, or did they forget to read the instructions too
Asscatchem Posted February 26, 2023 Posted February 26, 2023 imagine trusting literally anything the us gov has to say about covid atp
Digitalism Posted February 26, 2023 Posted February 26, 2023 This will be used as an excuse if there is a war with China right?
Headlock Posted February 26, 2023 Posted February 26, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, LittleStarmen said: Wether it was intentional or not of course it it was Lab Made. The Virus not only had a super combo of virulence and spread that hasnt seen before but it affect mostly overweight and old peopld (aka americans and chinose seniors) …that’s not how viruses, or any infectious disease, works Overweight and old people are always more susceptible to nearly all diseases because… they are overweight and old They have a ton of other comorbidities which put them at risk of more severe complications from infections. Edited February 26, 2023 by Headlock
karma police Posted February 26, 2023 Posted February 26, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, Communion said: They did, including how to prevent it, but most of our governments prioritized profits instead of their advie The fact that you have a ******* nerve to post all this ancient bullshit after December 2022 when Pooh abruptly lifted all "zero-Covid" restrictions which resulted in a massive wave of infections and millions of deaths edit: inb4 you'll post Chinese data as a proof of anything no deaths Edited February 26, 2023 by karma police
Communion Posted February 26, 2023 Posted February 26, 2023 (edited) 17 minutes ago, karma police said: after December 2022 "China being pressured by the Western world to lift its lockdowns in December 2022 not only means that China Is responsible for deaths in China post-December 2022 [reasonable!], but ALSO all the deaths the West chose to allow from 2020-2022 [insane!]! It's all those Chinese fuckers' fault why American nursing homes become morgues!" If your posts about China could read as though racial slurs would fit perfectly in them, maybe second-guess before pressing post! Edited February 26, 2023 by Communion
ClashAndBurn Posted February 27, 2023 Posted February 27, 2023 If it came from a lab, then who funded the research? The assumption would be the US government, especially Dr. Fauci, given his extreme defensiveness to even acknowledge gain of function research. Makes it seem like he has something to hide.
Mr. Mendes Posted February 27, 2023 Posted February 27, 2023 (edited) The weird conspiracy theorists on this site need to go ASAP. The US funded it? Dr. Fauci funded it? It was made to target the overweight and the elderly? Please be serious. Please I am begging be serious. Go outside. Edited February 27, 2023 by Mr. Mendes
GreatestLoveofAll Posted February 27, 2023 Posted February 27, 2023 oh wow so the conspiracies were right all along.
Vermillion Posted February 27, 2023 Posted February 27, 2023 14 hours ago, ClashAndBurn said: If it came from a lab, then who funded the research? The assumption would be the US government, especially Dr. Fauci, given his extreme defensiveness to even acknowledge gain of function research. Makes it seem like he has something to hide. 4 hours ago, Mr. Mendes said: The weird conspiracy theorists on this site need to go ASAP. The US funded it? Dr. Fauci funded it? It was made to target the overweight and the elderly? Please be serious. Please I am begging be serious. Go outside. There's enough to unpack here for four pages of back-and-forth, but all I'm going to say is this. 1) Rand Paul was only showboating during the now infamous hearings with Fauci and doesn't give damn about anyone, especially his own voters 2) Fauci is still being inherently dishonest about his framing on the NIH not directly funding gain of function research when it was a grant through the EcoHealth Alliance, which is deliberate to AVOID the topic of the inherent dangerous RE-approval he helped give/encouraged to U.S. research of gain of function after it was originally BLOCKED in the Obama administration 3) Some scientists argue now there's more incentive to research gain-of-function following the pandemic (still not over) which is a legitimate argument that I happen not to agree with in the current climate - not that it matters because good luck gaining any prominent funding without new congressional hearings on the matter 4) The argument against blocking ANY cooperative funding of ANY third party in the U.S. to either the Chinese government OR private Chinese organizations from operating ANY research other countries are already conducting like gain of function with the implication that the Chinese don't have the ability to operate extremely dangerous operations in Level 3 biolabs is inherently xenophobic 5) HOWEVER, the argument against cooperation on dangerous research citing the Chinese government's secrecy and hiding data IS valid and WAS valid prior to Covid even happening AND has now been confirmed with the Chinese government blocking the WHO's investigation. 6) The argument posted here already of scientists in China sounding the alarm and warnings regardless of their government is valid and any hive mind accusation of their scientific community, as I've already implied, being in lockstep with the government, is dangerous and false. Where the argument becomes hard to hear amidst all the noise is the politics involved in the CCP's cover-up - and before anyone accuses me of a double standard, that goes for ANY government's cover-up making ANY scientists job hard in ANY country, such as Putin literally murdering doctors and scientists by throwing them off balconies, Cuomo's buried nursing home numbers, Bolsonaro's duplicitous data, and the Florida whistleblower. 7) In the end, none of this will matter because the largest investigation, again, was blocked, there will now be laser-focused attention to block ANY attempts for ANY future gain of function research worldwide for the foreseeable future (there is current research happening in some countries including the U.S. AND China I'm aware of and will unpack later). 8) Legitimate criticisms of Biopharma price gouging are being deliberately lumped in to inevitable side effects of ANY vaccine for some populations deliberately and dangerously by anti-vaxxers. There are dangers to walking down the street and driving a car and choking on food, all of which many people need to do - god forbid we don't reach a level of group resistance anymore for antibiotic or vaccine resistant diseases/viruses going forward. While I have agreed with a schedule to separate vaccines out for toddlers instead of all at once, I've always said Jenny McCarthy's interviews in the 2000's on mercury and autism and the retracted Lancet article did more to encourage anti-vax views, at least in the States, than almost anything else.
Bang Up Posted February 27, 2023 Posted February 27, 2023 (edited) I, for one, am shocked an American government agency is blaming China for COVID now that tensions are rising between the US and China. It's almost like they want the public to feel a certain way about their biggest geopolitical adversary. 20 hours ago, LittleStarmen said: Wether it was intentional or not of course it it was Lab Made. The Virus not only had a super combo of virulence and spread that hasnt seen before but it affect mostly overweight and old peopld (aka americans and chinose seniors) I... that's not how viruses work. My god... Read a book. If China wanted to create a virus to kill Americans, they would've created one much, much deadlier than COVID. 19 hours ago, Digitalism said: This will be used as an excuse if there is a war with China right? We're not going to war with China. If anything, this is just meant to further make Americans hate China for when it invades Taiwan. 2 hours ago, GreatestLoveofAll said: oh wow so the conspiracies were right all along. No, no they weren't. Read the damn reports. Edited February 27, 2023 by Bang Up
LittleStarmen Posted February 27, 2023 Posted February 27, 2023 25 minutes ago, Bang Up said: I, for one, am shocked an American government agency is blaming China for COVID now that tensions are rising between the US and China. It's almost like they want the public to feel a certain way about their biggest geopolitical adversary. I... that's not how viruses work. My god... Read a book. If China wanted to create a virus to kill Americans, they would've created one much, much deadlier than COVID. We're not going to war with China. If anything, this is just meant to further make Americans hate China for when it invades Taiwan. No, no they weren't. Read the damn reports. because what leaked was a Demo version and not lead single material
If U Seek Amy Posted February 27, 2023 Posted February 27, 2023 I don't believe either the US or Chinese government regarding this. And anyone who does is fooling themselves.
Vermillion Posted February 27, 2023 Posted February 27, 2023 On 2/26/2023 at 1:29 PM, wastedpotential said: I just want to know why the ******* Department of Energy, of all bodies, has to take an official stance on this Their focus is almost entirely on energy policy and nuclear weapons This conclusion from the DoE is about as relevant to the issue as if the Department of Transportation were to do it On 2/26/2023 at 2:01 PM, Communion said: Apparently the justification used is that the number of US labs the DoE run globally makes this relevant to their expertise? Despite now being the only agency to side with lab leak besides... the FBI? Quoting this from another forum, but apparently the DoE's intelligence agency is tasked for nuclear intel issues, not biological. And their actual remit is indeed nuclear weapons, but the advanced research has nothing to do with bioweapons, which fall under the rubric of the NSA and CIA. The “investigation" started under the former guy's administration and at the time, the DoE was run by Rick Perry. And because they wanted to gin up biolab panic among the unwashed masses, and to use the accusations as a cudgel against China. They didn't want it to be the utterly predictable outcome of those awful exotic meat wet-markets which are common there, and which China unsuccessfully keeps trying to shut down precisely due to the public health risks.
ClashAndBurn Posted February 28, 2023 Posted February 28, 2023 14 hours ago, Mr. Mendes said: The weird conspiracy theorists on this site need to go ASAP. The US funded it? Dr. Fauci funded it? It was made to target the overweight and the elderly? Please be serious. Please I am begging be serious. Go outside. Learn what gain of function research is before slamming people as conspiracy theorists.
GreatestLoveofAll Posted February 28, 2023 Posted February 28, 2023 10 hours ago, Bang Up said: I, for one, am shocked an American government agency is blaming China for COVID now that tensions are rising between the US and China. It's almost like they want the public to feel a certain way about their biggest geopolitical adversary. I... that's not how viruses work. My god... Read a book. If China wanted to create a virus to kill Americans, they would've created one much, much deadlier than COVID. We're not going to war with China. If anything, this is just meant to further make Americans hate China for when it invades Taiwan. No, no they weren't. Read the damn reports. what reports
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