discussion Trump met with cheers during East Palestine visit - where did Dems go wrong?

[Communion]

 

Edited March 19, 2023 by Communion

[HEAVYONIT]

…it’s a Republican district

[GraceRandolph]

Oh wow. Get Biden's ass out of the WH and bring in Marianne Williamson ASAP.

[Communion]

5 minutes ago, Black Jesus said:

…it’s a Republican district

So Democrats are so bad at messaging that they can't convince people to hate those who poisoned them?

[nadiamendell]

6 minutes ago, Black Jesus said:

…it’s a Republican district

It's a Trump district because he, at times such as this, at least sometimes pretends to care about the working class. 

 

Anyway, if that's your excuse, what about Flint, Michigan? 

[RunUpDoneUp]

Why are we pretending like this is going to matter to democratic rule? Suffice to say, this is already a nothing event despite online chatter.

 

I can't even fault biden for this, even he can't save republicans from killing themselves. I know leftists are trying to make this a thing but it clearly is not any optics loss for dems at all, matter of fact, their absence keeps the red on funnily enough, red hands.

[Smarticle]

Trump will save them 

[HausOfPunk]

[khalyan]

It sucks that this has turned into such an easy issue for Republicans to have against Democrats.  I am just lost that Mayor Pete didn't beat Trump there to at least pad his future presidential run  

[JoJo]

this makes sense once you learn that the Biden administration has a history of siding with the rail industry over its workers. 

Edited February 24, 2023 by JoJo

[James_Dean]

44 minutes ago, Communion said:

So Democrats are so bad at messaging that they can't convince people to hate those who poisoned them?

I mean.... is this surprising? 

[GhostBox]

Oh wow a 70% trump district cheering for…..trump. I’m so shocked 💀

[GhostBox]

1 hour ago, nadiamendell said:

It's a Trump district because he, at times such as this, at least sometimes pretends to care about the working class. 

 

Anyway, if that's your excuse, what about Flint, Michigan? 

Yea no. We all know why 90% of his voters vote for him and like him. And it isn’t because of that 😂

[Letemtalk]

We know that Trump is only pretending to care about these people, but it seems like the Democrats couldn't even bother pretending that they care about poor and lower middle class people in rural areas.

 

The Dems don't care about people in the other Palestine either.

 

[liver]

the fact that everyone's main concern is how this crisis would impact the election next year and not the people in Ohio right now says enough 

Edited February 24, 2023 by liver

[Chemist]

1 hour ago, liver said:

the fact everyone's main concern is how this crisis would impact the election next year and not the people in Ohio right now says enough 

RIGHT. This is getting into cultural war territory.

 

There have been dozens of chemical spills/toxic releases in the last 10 years in the US with same or worse consequences but this has become a national issue for some reason.

 

Like I'm not saying that shouldn't be dealt with. The EPA usually investigates these accidents thoroughly and high rank politicians are NEVER involved, so yeah it's very bit suspect now that we are close to the republican/democrat primaries

[Bosque]

There are like 20 people there that gathered for this photo op. The fact that some deranged people are willing to cheer for Trump is nothing new at all. 
 

while it’s awful what is happening to the people in Ohio (although it’s revealing how some members on this forum are much quicker to blame Biden than Republican governor Mike Dewine who is actively blocking federal help from reaching the people), from a purely political standpoint, this is gonna have 0 effect on the race and the polls. 

[KillingYourCareer]

You had me with the title!

[nadiamendell]

9 hours ago, GhostBox said:

Yea no. We all know why 90% of his voters vote for him and like him. And it isn’t because of that 😂

Right. Let's just say they're all racist bigots and not even bother addressing the real reasons. Example #1 for why the dems keep losing the working class. 

Edited February 24, 2023 by nadiamendell

[GhostBox]

2 hours ago, nadiamendell said:

Right. Let's just say they're all racist bigots and not even bother addressing the real reasons. Example #1 for why the dems keep losing the working class. 

Facts are facts 🤷 I live in Southern WV I know why they support him 

[Tropez]

11 hours ago, Chemist said:

RIGHT. This is getting into cultural war territory.

 

There have been dozens of chemical spills/toxic releases in the last 10 years in the US with same or worse consequences but this has become a national issue for some reason.

 

Like I'm not saying that shouldn't be dealt with. The EPA usually investigates these accidents thoroughly and high rank politicians are NEVER involved, so yeah it's very bit suspect now that we are close to the republican/democrat primaries

Americans will literally put politics and money for people. It’s crazy when you look at it. But not surprising as it’s the culture. People are being poisoned, animals are being harmed. But some how this is turned into Republicans vs Dems. 

[ClashAndBurn]

22 hours ago, Chemist said:

RIGHT. This is getting into cultural war territory.

 

There have been dozens of chemical spills/toxic releases in the last 10 years in the US with same or worse consequences but this has become a national issue for some reason.

 

Like I'm not saying that shouldn't be dealt with. The EPA usually investigates these accidents thoroughly and high rank politicians are NEVER involved, so yeah it's very bit suspect now that we are close to the republican/democrat primaries

The fact that this happens so often is a problem, and the fact that it's being exposed as a result of corporate negligence and government collusion is a good thing. But yes, the real tragedy is that Biden is getting called out for making himself look bad by dithering and letting Americans at home suffer chemical burns and develop cancers while simultaneously dropping off billions of dollars in Europe.

Edited February 25, 2023 by ClashAndBurn

[If U Seek Amy]

I live in Ohio.

 

I do not blame Democrats one bit for not appealing to this breed of extremely devout religious groups. Even if they could, they shouldn't for the better of everyone else. No matter what no political party can appeal to everyone. They should however work to appeal to more reasonable rural Americans. That is where they fail. And while people like to lump America into a black and white rural or non-rural, rural groups across the US are still very different despite how simple people like to make them seem. In Ohio in particular, we are a heavily religious state in our rural areas. And this continues to expand, which is why Democrats are seeing mostly continual losses in the state. Our blue areas are shrinking sadly in comparison to their higher growth. 

 

With people like this in this state there is no logic, emotion, or any form of argument one can make to convince them of the truth. One cannot accept truth unless one is open to doing that, and that is not in their interest. If it was that easy it would be done. They like being told what to think by their churches, who are going to stay right leaning. They believe in their faith in God and the church more than anything else, not logic and facts and numbers. As hard as that is for most of us to understand/agree with, that is their primary motivation. And unless democrats and other left leaning parties become the preference of the church it's not happening. And like noted above, I'd rather the party NOT appeal to these types as it would be harmful to the whole more so. Biden himself could show up and clean the entire city himself and personally take care of them all and they legit would still think this is some sort of government coverup and he is suspicious and that is why he is there. And then turn on Fox news and similar networks and continue on. It would be great if we could all agree and have the same mindset, but we will not. But this type of situation is absolutely not a Democratic messaging failure. It is the changing demographics of a state, just like people are seeing in states like Georgia the other way. 

 

If you live here right now despite what the media shows and what noise online says, citizens across the state (where the votes and voices will ACTUALLY matter in elections) are FURIOUS with Dewine and the Republican party lately. They kinda deserve it for voting them so recently in such high numbers, but regardless, they in high numbers are looking are the state administration, not Biden/Democrats. People are PISSED Dewine turned down help from the Federal Government. But regardless how they feel, this will be a non-event in years to come for most. Despite what happens, Ohio has highly become a state of whatever is red is still better than blue over being a swing state now. 

[Helios]

12 hours ago, If U Seek Amy said:

I live in Ohio.

 

I do not blame Democrats one bit for not appealing to this breed of extremely devout religious groups. Even if they could, they shouldn't for the better of everyone else. No matter what no political party can appeal to everyone. They should however work to appeal to more reasonable rural Americans. That is where they fail. And while people like to lump America into a black and white rural or non-rural, rural groups across the US are still very different despite how simple people like to make them seem. In Ohio in particular, we are a heavily religious state in our rural areas. And this continues to expand, which is why Democrats are seeing mostly continual losses in the state. Our blue areas are shrinking sadly in comparison to their higher growth. 

 

With people like this in this state there is no logic, emotion, or any form of argument one can make to convince them of the truth. One cannot accept truth unless one is open to doing that, and that is not in their interest. If it was that easy it would be done. They like being told what to think by their churches, who are going to stay right leaning. They believe in their faith in God and the church more than anything else, not logic and facts and numbers. As hard as that is for most of us to understand/agree with, that is their primary motivation. And unless democrats and other left leaning parties become the preference of the church it's not happening. And like noted above, I'd rather the party NOT appeal to these types as it would be harmful to the whole more so. Biden himself could show up and clean the entire city himself and personally take care of them all and they legit would still think this is some sort of government coverup and he is suspicious and that is why he is there. And then turn on Fox news and similar networks and continue on. It would be great if we could all agree and have the same mindset, but we will not. But this type of situation is absolutely not a Democratic messaging failure. It is the changing demographics of a state, just like people are seeing in states like Georgia the other way. 

 

If you live here right now despite what the media shows and what noise online says, citizens across the state (where the votes and voices will ACTUALLY matter in elections) are FURIOUS with Dewine and the Republican party lately. They kinda deserve it for voting them so recently in such high numbers, but regardless, they in high numbers are looking are the state administration, not Biden/Democrats. People are PISSED Dewine turned down help from the Federal Government. But regardless how they feel, this will be a non-event in years to come for most. Despite what happens, Ohio has highly become a state of whatever is red is still better than blue over being a swing state now. 

Mess, a Texas is purple teas. Hopefully it can shift the other way in the next few years.

[If U Seek Amy]

8 hours ago, Helios said:

Mess, a Texas is purple teas. Hopefully it can shift the other way in the next few years.

I am sure it is not impossible, but it is not looking good. Even Tim Ryan was as moderate and popular as one could be. He worked tirelessly on the ground here and did everything to appeal to the right. It was truly impressive how hard he worked on the ground and everywhere. And it showed in that he performed extremely better than most other big name democrats on the ticket. But it still wasn't enough. I am not sure if proper funding/support from Nancy and such would have been enough, but that also could have played in. National Dems have given up on Ohio sadly. But also for most of the election Vance did not even TRY. Not even one ounce. And last minute Republicans funneled tons in because Ryan was vastly more popular in polls. And he still won by a few hundred thousand almost doing nothing. And now people here are mad that he is talking about what politicians should be doing to help Ohio with the East Palestine train stuff while he IS the politician elected to do that. No matter what Tim Ryan did wrong or you don't like him, I guarantee he would be loud as hell right now and even on the ground helping. I love Ohio being my home, but people here are really getting what they deserve, at least in relation to the political landscape and it's problems its causing us to fall as a state, not the East Palestine people. no one should die of suffer health harm because of who they vote for. 

 

As for changing demographics, it also is looking bleak. First of all, Ohio has become a meme state now because of TikTok. The "Only in Ohio" jokes have made the state into some rural freak land and it is not. Less youth and blue voters will genuinely not consider moving here cause of that. Like most states, most is rural with a few big cities. And the big cities are generally not bad. But that is also the other bad point. Rural populations have decreased, and census shows an increase in big city counties, which seems good on paper, but it really isn't. Our blue counties still consist of a fair portion of red voters and semi-rural suburban areas. And those semi-rural suburban parts of the blue counties are what is filling up, which tends to skew more republican voters than more democrat voters. On top of it the Republican dominating government does not make it an appealing place for Democrats to move.

 

Our current hopes are the Republican party is doing and looking very bad and that may be enough to help swing voters, the cost of living/taxes are generally very low compared to other states which may help people struggling financially, and our job market is still very strong and healthy and may attract young workers. On top of it we are in the process of getting the next massive Amazon location and we are currently working on building the largest Intel business location in the world. That may help attract blue workers/young people seeking jobs, though it's not guaranteed. But it's definitely gonna probably be awhile before any change is possibly seen :(