Shamima Begum loses British citizenship appeal

[ZIVERT]

[ZIVERT]

In my opinion, this is really sad news. This (now) woman was groomed as a teenager, and clearly made a horrible decision. That horrible decision has undoubtedly caused a bunch of PTSD and trauma, which she will have to live with forever. Witnessing the deaths of strangers, friends, and her own children, physical and sexual abuse from her adult husband, living in a war zone… All of this on top of having to come to terms with the destruction you’ve enabled by running away to join a terror group, it’s a lot to deal with. And this is before talking about what a justified punishment would be if she were allowed back home.
 

Before people bring up her “lack of remorse,” I would respond with two points: firstly, a “lack of remorse” is not a good legal precedent to determine whether or not she should be rendered stateless. There’s no question that she needs to face justice, but rendering her stateless is not the answer. And finally, she is living amongst other fanatical ISIS brides in a crowded, dirty prison camp, who have actively tried to harm women that have spoken out against ISIS.
 

Despite the evil things Shamima Begum might have enabled by running away to join ISIS, I feel like this is a miscarriage of justice.

 

For anybody interested, BBC has a really intriguing podcast about this entire story called “I’m Not a Monster: Series 2” - check it out!

Edited February 22, 2023 by ZIVERT

[ProudLBS]

good.

[Mean Trees]

Very surprised OP feels some symapathy. To be honest, the UK should have just reinstated her citizenship on consistency grounds. The UK along with the US and the West were the biggest initial enablers of ISIS anyway so it's just hypocritical.

 

 

[ZIVERT]

9 minutes ago, Mean Trees said:

Very surprised OP feels some symapathy. To be honest, the UK should have just reinstated her citizenship on consistency grounds. The UK along with the US and the West were the biggest initial enablers of ISIS anyway so it's just hypocritical.

 

 

The world isn’t black and white, it’s bad to generalize x

[Holy Ground]

I also think it's pretty terrible to revoke the citizenship of a radicalised teenager. Sets a dangerous precedent too if countries just start ripping citizenship from people and leaving them stateless

[Janet]

Really shameful. She’s been scapegoated to another level

[HEAVYONIT]

In full agreement with this. This isn’t a “joke” that you can just go join terrorist organizations and then just come home when it’s not what you expected. This is extremely serious. Actions have consequences. 

[CBC]

goodbye sweetie

[Aren]

Good. She’s a monster. I just wish Syria would give her the death penalty for all the crimes against humanity that she committed.

 

 

[A.R.L]

That's only 1 percent of the karma she'll get for what she's due, disgusting

[CaptainMusic]

Good

 

Lol @ the people feeling sorry for her. Many terrorist attacks could’ve been prevented if the perpetrator was kept in prison/out of the country.

 

She knew what she was doing and will have to suffer the consequences. 

[Bosque]

Good. 

 

All the hand-wringing over her being "stateless" is nonsensical. It's not the job of the UK to take in everybody who would face the death penalty in the country that they are citizen in. She couldve applied to go Bangladesh ages ago, but chose not to do so, because she knows they are not as forgiving towards crimes of terrorism as the UK courts would be. 

 

There are thousands or millions of people out there who are stateless due to no fault or action of their own, so why should she get special treatment after all the irreperable harm she has caused?

 

Letting her back to Britain would be a massive slap in the face to all the (predominantly Muslim) victims of Daesh

[Horizon Flame]

Good. Why would anyone want someone radicalized living in their country? 

[Icarus]

On 2/23/2023 at 1:06 AM, Holy Ground said:

I also think it's pretty terrible to revoke the citizenship of a radicalised teenager. Sets a dangerous precedent too if countries just start ripping citizenship from people and leaving them stateless

A precedent to revoke citizenship from people who join ISIS