'Ant-Man Quantumania' swells to franchise record opening of $105M 3-day / $120M 4-day

[Roman Holiday]

11 minutes ago, BNF91 said:

Actually it is a $104M 3-day and $118M 4-day. Which is once again, completely whelming and actually the 4-day is below expectations. 

 

A global $225M bow ($55M less than pre-weekend forecasts) would mean the most this could make is like $550-560M. Under Ant-Man 2 is a lock. Under the first Ant-Man is also not impossible. 

 

For the introduction of the next Thanos level antagonist and start of phase 5... 

 

Not sure how ya'll spin this as good? 

Idk why people are comparing Ph 4 and 5 to Ph 3 though. They should be compared to Ph 1 and 2, and so far I feel like Kang is about as threatening as Thanos was at this point. He didn’t feel like a real threat until IW. 

[Chiidish]

5 minutes ago, Roman Holiday said:

Idk why people are comparing Ph 4 and 5 to Ph 3 though. They should be compared to Ph 1 and 2, and so far I feel like Kang is about as threatening as Thanos was at this point. He didn’t feel like a real threat until IW. 

Right???? People are so weird about it the phase needing to feel like End Game level already. 
 

This movie was a good introduction to Kang and I’m finally intrigued about where everything is going because of him. 

[Arcadius]

That second-week drop is gonna be brutal. 

[BNF91]

11 minutes ago, Roman Holiday said:

Idk why people are comparing Ph 4 and 5 to Ph 3 though. They should be compared to Ph 1 and 2, and so far I feel like Kang is about as threatening as Thanos was at this point. He didn’t feel like a real threat until IW. 

I'm not comparing it to anything, why do people twist comments into something that they aren't? 

 

6 minutes ago, Chiidish said:

Right???? People are so weird about it the phase needing to feel like End Game level already. 
 

This movie was a good introduction to Kang and I’m finally intrigued about where everything is going because of him. 

Who said that? I didn't, nobody in this thread did. 

 

The introduction of Kang in the third entry of a trilogy should still be doing heaps more box office than it's predecessor, let alone the first Ant-Man.. can you guys actually analyse the box office objectively or no? 

[Arcadius]

I will say at this point it seems the MCU will always have their films open to $100M+ at this point. This is great for theatres as a whole. 

[cruelhprince]

time to bring back da supreme.

[JBJT2786]

10 minutes ago, BNF91 said:

I'm not comparing it to anything, why do people twist comments into something that they aren't? 

 

Who said that? I didn't, nobody in this thread did. 

 

The introduction of Kang in the third entry of a trilogy should still be doing heaps more box office than it's predecessor, let alone the first Ant-Man.. can you guys actually analyse the box office objectively or no? 

It's Ant-Man...let's not act like the introduction of a villian from a TV show that the GP that usually watch these films didn't watch is gonna draw people to the theater.

 

 

Majority of people didn't see Infinity War just for Thanos

[Baby Judas]

So, this is flopping everywhere except the US? Seems like everybody has moved on from superhero movies, except the US. Lol. 

[JBJT2786]

5 minutes ago, Baby Judas said:

So, this is flopping everywhere except the US? Seems like everybody has moved on from superhero movies, except the US. Lol. 

It's flopping in two countries that don't like sci-fi compared to the rest if the world ( China and South Korea) everywhere esle internationally its 57% bigger than the first Antman and 5% higher than Antman and the Wasp.

 

China is esp not surprising considering this is the first official Marvel release ( WF release after it probably bring seen on bootleg by now shouldn't count) since the pandemic and they went with Antman.

[BNF91]

3 minutes ago, JBJT2786 said:

It's Ant-Man...let's not act like the introduction of a villian from a TV show that the GP that usually watch these films didn't watch is gonna draw people to the theater.

 

 

Majority of people didn't see Infinity War just for Thanos

if you don't think Disney/Marvel were hoping/expecting a big increase from Ant-Man 2, then chile.. 

 

We gotta stop acting like Ant-Man is some black sheep of the MCU, like it can't make money. 

 

I swear ya'll are just being obtuse for the sake of it because Disney has been PUSHING HARD this whole " witness the beginning of the epic phase 5 and KANG". But now it was expected to do be doing this kind of middling business? No no no. 

 

 

[XAMJ]

This is a great opening haters lost

[JBJT2786]

17 minutes ago, Arcadius said:

I will say at this point it seems the MCU will always have their films open to $100M+ at this point. This is great for theatres as a whole. 

Agree if its known characters it'll at least 100 million. You couldn't say that 10 years ago ( see Thor the Dark World).

[JBJT2786]

6 minutes ago, BNF91 said:

if you don't think Disney/Marvel were hoping/expecting a big increase from Ant-Man 2, then chile.. 

 

We gotta stop acting like Ant-Man is some black sheep of the MCU, like it can't make money. 

 

I swear ya'll are just being obtuse for the sake of it because Disney has been PUSHING HARD this whole " witness the beginning of the epic phase 5 and KANG". But now it was expected to do be doing this kind of middling business? No no no. 

 

 

It literally did minus 2 countries. Why are we acting obtuse about this?

 

This is the first Ant-Man to open over a 100 million in the US. Ant man was always the black sheep because Marvel treated him as such. Marketing the film cuz its the start of a phase and a villian is not gonna draw the GP. It draws just fanboys. And fanboys aren't gonna run to theater for Antman.

 

Now would've made more if that RT score was better? Yes. But not by much regardless of the villian. The only reason you're saying middling because it's less than what OTHER PEOPLE THAN DISNEY orginally predicted.

 

The only country Disney needs to work on is China cuz...well duh.

[BNF91]

1 minute ago, JBJT2786 said:

It literally did minus 2 countries. Why are we acting obtuse about this?

 

This is the first Ant-Man to open over a 100 million in the US. Ant man was always the black sheep because Marvel treated him as such. Marketing the film cuz its the start of a phase and a villian is not gonna draw the GP. It draws just fanboys. And fanboys aren't gonna run to theater for Antman.

 

Now would've made more if that RT score was better? Yes. But not by much regardless of the villian. 

2 countries.. that make up 25% of the film's entire gross! That's huge! You can't just wave it off as "just 2 countries" when those 2 markets made up 1 of every 4 tickets that franchise sold... And the increase from Ant-Man 2 without those markets (a mere 5%) would mean it is also well under Ant-Man 2 admissions in the rest of the world considering 5+ years of inflation. 

 

 

 

 

[mystery]

1 hour ago, Eternium said:

Didn’t China initially ban Disney films for supporting LGBT people? Why would you celebrate China purposefully not embracing a company for its pro-LGBT views?  

This has more to do with movie-theaters no longer being at their peak and a war happening that has skyrocketed inflation. Minions, Avatar, Disney films, Pixar films, etc. have all shrank in box office, too.

 

Plus, what matters is merchandise for Disney/Marvel. Ant-Man will never be big for them there, but GOTG, BP and Thor all did massive numbers there.

PLEASE Disney could care less about LGBT people considering they cut out those scenes so easily for certain markets. I am not celebrating China not embracing Disney. I am just pointing out the obvious in them abandoning the franchise so suddenly, there is nothing preventing audiences there from seeing Ant-Man like they have before, it was one of their biggest heroes there. I was told by many that once the MCU returns to regular showings there that they will be back to commanding huge numbers like before.
 

3 minutes ago, JBJT2786 said:

China is esp not surprising considering this is the first official Marvel release ( WF release after it probably bring seen on bootleg by now shouldn't count) since the pandemic and they went with Antman.

Ant-Man was a reliable 100m grosser in China something that more than half of the MCU movies failed to achieve. So why the huge drop now?

1. Avengers: Endgame - 632m
2. Avengers: Infinity War - 359m
3. Avengers: Age of Ultron - 240m
4. Spider-Man: Far from Home - 198m
5. Captain America: Civil War - 180m
6. Captain Marvel - 154m
7. Ant-Man and the Wasp - 121m
8. Iron Man 3 - 121m
9. Spider-Man: Homecoming - 116m
10. Captain America: The Winter Soldier - 115m
11. Thor: Ragnarok - 112m
12. Doctor Strange - 109m
13. Ant-Man - 105m

[JBJT2786]

6 minutes ago, BNF91 said:

2 countries.. that make up 25% of the film's entire gross! That's huge! You can't just wave it off as "just 2 countries" when those 2 markets made up 1 of every 4 tickets that franchise sold... And the increase from Ant-Man 2 without those markets (a mere 5%) would mean it is also well under Ant-Man 2 admissions in the rest of the world considering 5+ years of inflation. 

 

 

 

 

25% of a predicted opening gross by media outlets. Majority from a country that was banning Disney films for most of the pandemic. That's iffy on Hollywood films in general. Again if you wanna keep looking at it without the specifics to fit your narrative be my guest but to act like an Antman film ( which the GP has shown before people don't go gangbusters for) is suppose to be bigger than it is cuz of a country that has issues with Disney even though it beat expectations everywhere else is dumb.

[wesleywalrus]

This wont pull 600m worldwide I don't see how it's "winning" 

[JBJT2786]

Just now, mystery said:

PLEASE Disney could care less about LGBT people considering they cut out those scenes so easily for certain markets. I am not celebrating China not embracing Disney. I am just pointing out the obvious in them abandoning the franchise so suddenly, there is nothing preventing audiences there from seeing Ant-Man like they have before, it was one of their biggest heroes there. I was told by many that once the MCU returns to regular showings there that they will be back to commanding huge numbers like before.
 

Ant-Man was a reliable 100m grosser in China something that more than half of the MCU movies failed to achieve. So why the huge drop now?

1. Avengers: Endgame - 632m
2. Avengers: Infinity War - 359m
3. Avengers: Age of Ultron - 240m
4. Spider-Man: Far from Home - 198m
5. Captain America: Civil War - 180m
6. Captain Marvel - 154m
7. Ant-Man and the Wasp - 121m
8. Iron Man 3 - 121m
9. Spider-Man: Homecoming - 116m
10. Captain America: The Winter Soldier - 115m
11. Thor: Ragnarok - 112m
12. Doctor Strange - 109m
13. Ant-Man - 105m

It's literally their first Marvel Film since the pandemic ( where China has been used for the last 2 years to get these films bootlegged) and look at the positions of those films. Antman is dead last and the sequel is the least of the ones of that big period of the Infinity films. Again Antman is not a reliable character to re-jumpstart your property in a country you  already had issues with.

[JBJT2786]

Btw I don't like the movie ( it's the weakest of the Antman films and Kang was the only part I like) but this circlejerk of Marvel being over cuz China isn't as interested for various reasons is stupid.

[BNF91]

5 minutes ago, JBJT2786 said:

25% of a predicted opening gross by media outlets. Majority from a country that was banning Disney films for most of the pandemic. That's iffy on Hollywood films in general. Again if you wanna keep looking at it without the specifics to fit your narrative be my guest but to act like an Antman film ( which the GP has shown before people don't go gangbusters for) is suppose to be bigger than it is cuz of a country that has issues with Disney even though it beat expectations everywhere else is dumb.

Yes, the media outlets we consider "industry" and thus, use as predictions and forecasts. You're not new to this. 

 

Fit my narrative lmao  you can't be serious. I'm looking at this as objectively as possible. You guys are the ones coping, trying to justify this obvious underperformance. Fact of the matter is that China gave this a full ultra wide release with insane amount of screenings and the franchise already had pretty incredible preestablished success in the market. 

 

I'm not gonna continue on this matter and will let you all live in Dreamland thinking Feige/Marvel is actually satisfied with this result. 

 

$500-600M finish is objectively sad result for this film. No way around it. 

 

 

 

[mystery]

Just now, JBJT2786 said:

It's literally their first Marvel Film since the pandemic ( where China has been used for the last 2 years to get these films bootlegged) and look at the positions of those films. Antman is dead last and the sequel is the least of the ones of that big period of the Infinity films. Again Antman is not a reliable character to re-jumpstart your property in a country you  already had issues with.

Ant-Man is a proven franchise in China and their fourth biggest grosser overall. The first film is "dead last" because I excluded the other half of the MCU that didn't outgross it or wasn't released.

All MCU films released in China:
1. Avengers: Endgame - 632m
2. Avengers: Infinity War - 359m
3. Avengers: Age of Ultron - 240m
4. Spider-Man: Far from Home - 198m
5. Captain America: Civil War - 180m
6. Captain Marvel - 154m
7. Ant-Man and the Wasp - 121m
8. Iron Man 3 - 121m
9. Spider-Man: Homecoming - 116m
10. Captain America: The Winter Soldier - 115m
11. Thor: Ragnarok - 112m
12. Doctor Strange - 109m
13. Ant-Man - 105m
14. Black Panther - 105m
15. Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2 - 100m
16. Guardians of the Galaxy - 86m
17. The Avengers - 86m
18. Thor: The Dark World - 55m
19. Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania - 19m
19. Iron Man - 15m
20. Black Panther: Wakanda Forever - 11m
21. The Incredible Hulk - 9m
22. Iron Man 2 - 7m

Highest grossing MCU "franchises" in China:
1. Avengers - 1,317b
2. Spider-Man - 314m
3. Captain America - 295m
4. Ant-Man - 245m
5. Guardians of the Galaxy - 186m
6. Thor - 167m
7. Captain Marvel - 154m
8. Iron Man - 143m
9. Black Panther - 116m
10. Doctor Strange - 109m
11. Hulk - 9m

[Chiidish]

3 hours ago, BNF91 said:

I'm not comparing it to anything, why do people twist comments into something that they aren't? 

 

Who said that? I didn't, nobody in this thread did. 

 

The introduction of Kang in the third entry of a trilogy should still be doing heaps more box office than it's predecessor, let alone the first Ant-Man.. can you guys actually analyse the box office objectively or no? 

I didn’t come here to discuss box office numbers about a movie or franchise I don’t like  

 

I responded to a comment about GENERAL sentiment about this current phase not matching the same level of hype as the previous phase, if it didn’t apply to you you didn’t have to respond to me you could have just responded to the first user and carried   on or you could have just ignored both of us and carried on posting numbers or something idk? 
 

 

Edited February 19, 2023 by Chiidish

[Katy V.!]

4 hours ago, mystery said:

Ant-Man is a proven franchise in China and their fourth biggest grosser overall. 

Marvel should be reconsidering and course-correcting a lot of things by now but yall are just saying dumb things  

[mystery]

1 hour ago, Katy V.! said:

Marvel should be reconsidering and course-correcting a lot of things by now but yall are just saying dumb things  

I literally posted all the data that backs what I said, it is literally their fourth biggest grossing MCU franchise in China. What is actually dumb is ignoring numbers that are right in front of your face.

 

5 hours ago, mystery said:

Ant-Man is a proven franchise in China and their fourth biggest grosser overall. The first film is "dead last" because I excluded the other half of the MCU that didn't outgross it or wasn't released.

All MCU films released in China:
1. Avengers: Endgame - 632m
2. Avengers: Infinity War - 359m
3. Avengers: Age of Ultron - 240m
4. Spider-Man: Far from Home - 198m
5. Captain America: Civil War - 180m
6. Captain Marvel - 154m
7. Ant-Man and the Wasp - 121m
8. Iron Man 3 - 121m
9. Spider-Man: Homecoming - 116m
10. Captain America: The Winter Soldier - 115m
11. Thor: Ragnarok - 112m
12. Doctor Strange - 109m
13. Ant-Man - 105m
14. Black Panther - 105m
15. Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2 - 100m
16. Guardians of the Galaxy - 86m
17. The Avengers - 86m
18. Thor: The Dark World - 55m
19. Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania - 19m
19. Iron Man - 15m
20. Black Panther: Wakanda Forever - 11m
21. The Incredible Hulk - 9m
22. Iron Man 2 - 7m

Highest grossing MCU "franchises" in China:
1. Avengers - 1,317b
2. Spider-Man - 314m
3. Captain America - 295m
4. Ant-Man - 245m
5. Guardians of the Galaxy - 186m
6. Thor - 167m
7. Captain Marvel - 154m
8. Iron Man - 143m
9. Black Panther - 116m
10. Doctor Strange - 109m
11. Hulk - 9m

 

Edited February 20, 2023 by mystery

[Brunette Ambition]

Ouch. Not looking too good