102 kids hired to clean meat-packing plants & slaughter houses

[FOCK]

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One of the country’s largest food sanitation service providers has paid $1.5 million in penalties for illegally employing at least 102 children to clean 13 meatpacking plants on overnight shifts, the Labor Department announced Friday.

 

Investigators learned in recent months that at least three children suffered injuries, including a chemical burn to the face, while sanitizing kill floors and other areas of slaughterhouses in the middle of the night. x

[Contessa]

Only a mil? 

[family.guy123]

 good job dept of labour

[FOCK]

This is not an isolated incident. 
The meat industry is rotten to the core, right from the start of the chain. Children & undocumented migrants are taken advantage of and made to work in despicable conditions, forced to do incredibly dangerous & mentally harmful work, that only someone incredibly twisted would relish. The industry has some of the highest rates of domestic abuse and suicide. 
 

A 1.5 million fine is literally nothing for the trauma these kids have faced & compared to what these industries rake in, receive from your tax dollars AND purchase decisions throughout your entire life. These industries are incredibly powerful & help dictate your governments & shape your future, including air quality, soil quality, environmental disasters, zoonotic pandemics, & your health. 
 

 

Edited February 18, 2023 by FOCK

[gatito]

why is the us trying to go back to the 18th century?? 

[FOCK]

Just now, gatito said:

why is the us trying to go back to the 18th century?? 

The meat industry has BEEN skirting labour laws, human rights & animal rights from day 1. There’s just actual laws that prevent anyone from exposing it.
 

They’re fortunate they can always rely on their money, their advertising of greenwashed imagery, touting of false health benefits, bought scientists & education curriculums, & all the people who’d rather clown those calling for meat boycotts & a move to ethical consumption. 

[GraceRandolph]

What a rotten, despicable industry. Anyone who supports this must be a sociopath.

[Zaynsus]

They should pay 1.5m in damages and interest to each kid.

[LadyDiana]

Why is us truing so hard to go back to victorian era 

[Luckitty]

let them work 

[FOCK]

And of course, the image the Washington Post and media choose to publish isn’t one of the actual slaughterhouses and killfloors these CHILDREN were made to clean. 
 

Where are the blood, guts, brains, urine & faeces? Show that. 
 

 

Edited February 18, 2023 by FOCK

[Miss Show Business]

Wait till you hear about the 112 million children "working" in the agricultural sector. 

[FOCK]

8 hours ago, Miss Show Business said:

Wait till you hear about the 112 million children "working" in the agricultural sector. 

Wait till you hear you can’t present numbers accurately.

 

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112 million boys and girls are engaged in child labour in crop production, livestock, forestry, fisheries or aquaculture

And wait till you hear that the majority of crop production goes to… feeding livestock, & that we could feed over 800 million people with that grain instead.

And wait till you hear Veganism advocates for harm reduction in ALL forms & industries, including its own. 
 

Edited February 18, 2023 by FOCK

[Last Boy on Earth]

Animal eaters are so  

[Tasty]

JAIL

[Bosque]

They probably saved more than 1.t million by using actual child labor

[Miss Show Business]

2 hours ago, FOCK said:

Wait till you hear you can’t present numbers accurately.

 

And wait till you hear that the majority of crop production goes to… feeding livestock, & that we could feed over 800 million people with the grain that livestock eat. 

And wait till you hear Veganism advocates for harm reduction in ALL forms & industries, including its own. 
 

Wait until you hear that Veganism kills:

 

- 15 field animals per hecature per year(1)

- 52% of mice present (in grain)(1)

- 77% of rats present (in sugar cane)(1)

- 80% of mice in Australian farms via rodenticide(1)

- 2.7 million birds (in Canada) exposed to pesticides(1)

- 31 million fish annually due to pollution(1)

- 67 million, or 10% of birds annually exposed to pesticides(2)

- In one instance in Australia, 200,000 native ducks in one year to avoid rice crop damage(3)

- By averaging estimates and limiting only to harvested cropland in one study, over 7.3 billion animals are killed annually in agriculture, which is more than the number of cattle and pigs slaughtered yearly (40 and 120 million)(1)  

1. (Field Deaths in Plant Agriculture - Crane https://r.jordan.im/download/ethics/fischer2018.pdf)

2. https://nationalzoo.si.edu/migratory-birds/news/when-it-comes-pesticides-birds-are-sitting-ducks#:~:text=It is estimated that of,outright by ingestion of pesticides.

3. https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/200000-native-ducks-shot-as-pests-of-rice-crops-20140802-zzrjj.html

 

Wait until you hear that Vegan activist groups reject beekeeping, despite depending on the work of worker bees to produce crops. Wait until you hear that the California almond industry alone wiped out 50 billion bees in 2018-19 alone.

 

There is a literal list on the department of labor website that lists all of the products of child slavery — ALOT of nuts, seeds, fruits and veggies are listed.

 

Enough of the moral virtue signaling. Agriculture has an environmental impact AND an impact on wildlife just as the meat industry does.

 

This is why nobody worth a damn is going to take you seriously... It's like, "I can excuse child slavery, domestic animal abuse by force feeding omnivorous animals vegan diets, child malnutrition because of vegans who aren't fully educated about nutrition, billions of worker bees dying every year to produce the food I eat, organic farmers using animal byproducts for composting, and billions of mice, rats, birds, fish, and insects dying because of agricultural impact... But I draw the line at people choosing to eat meat."

 

 

 

[ScorpiosGroove]

19 minutes ago, Miss Show Business said:

Wait until you hear that Veganism kills:

 

- 15 field animals per hecature per year(1)

- 52% of mice present (in grain)(1)

- 77% of rats present (in sugar cane)(1)

- 80% of mice in Australian farms via rodenticide(1)

- 2.7 million birds (in Canada) exposed to pesticides(1)

- 31 million fish annually due to pollution(1)

- 67 million, or 10% of birds annually exposed to pesticides(2)

- In one instance in Australia, 200,000 native ducks in one year to avoid rice crop damage(3)

- By averaging estimates and limiting only to harvested cropland in one study, over 7.3 billion animals are killed annually in agriculture, which is more than the number of cattle and pigs slaughtered yearly (40 and 120 million)(1)  

1. (Field Deaths in Plant Agriculture - Crane https://r.jordan.im/download/ethics/fischer2018.pdf)

2. https://nationalzoo.si.edu/migratory-birds/news/when-it-comes-pesticides-birds-are-sitting-ducks#:~:text=It is estimated that of,outright by ingestion of pesticides.

3. https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/200000-native-ducks-shot-as-pests-of-rice-crops-20140802-zzrjj.html

 

Wait until you hear that Vegan activist groups reject beekeeping, despite depending on the work of worker bees to produce crops. Wait until you hear that the California almond industry alone wiped out 50 billion bees in 2018-19 alone.

 

There is a literal list on the department of labor website that lists all of the products of child slavery — ALOT of nuts, seeds, fruits and veggies are listed.

 

Enough of the moral virtue signaling. Agriculture has an environmental impact AND an impact on wildlife just as the meat industry does.

 

This is why nobody worth a damn is going to take you seriously... It's like, "I can excuse child slavery, domestic animal abuse by force feeding omnivorous animals vegan diets, child malnutrition because of vegans who aren't fully educated about nutrition, billions of worker bees dying every year to produce the food I eat, organic farmers using animal byproducts for composting, and billions of mice, rats, birds, fish, and insects dying because of agricultural impact... But I draw the line at people choosing to eat meat."

 

 

 

oh you eat them up 

[Bosque]

The random unhinged anti vegan rant as if everyone else doesn’t also eat crops

[GraceRandolph]

1 hour ago, Miss Show Business said:

Wait until you hear that Veganism kills:

 

- 15 field animals per hecature per year(1)

- 52% of mice present (in grain)(1)

- 77% of rats present (in sugar cane)(1)

- 80% of mice in Australian farms via rodenticide(1)

- 2.7 million birds (in Canada) exposed to pesticides(1)

- 31 million fish annually due to pollution(1)

- 67 million, or 10% of birds annually exposed to pesticides(2)

- In one instance in Australia, 200,000 native ducks in one year to avoid rice crop damage(3)

- By averaging estimates and limiting only to harvested cropland in one study, over 7.3 billion animals are killed annually in agriculture, which is more than the number of cattle and pigs slaughtered yearly (40 and 120 million)(1)  

1. (Field Deaths in Plant Agriculture - Crane https://r.jordan.im/download/ethics/fischer2018.pdf)

2. https://nationalzoo.si.edu/migratory-birds/news/when-it-comes-pesticides-birds-are-sitting-ducks#:~:text=It is estimated that of,outright by ingestion of pesticides.

3. https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/200000-native-ducks-shot-as-pests-of-rice-crops-20140802-zzrjj.html

 

Wait until you hear that Vegan activist groups reject beekeeping, despite depending on the work of worker bees to produce crops. Wait until you hear that the California almond industry alone wiped out 50 billion bees in 2018-19 alone.

 

There is a literal list on the department of labor website that lists all of the products of child slavery — ALOT of nuts, seeds, fruits and veggies are listed.

 

Enough of the moral virtue signaling. Agriculture has an environmental impact AND an impact on wildlife just as the meat industry does.

 

This is why nobody worth a damn is going to take you seriously... It's like, "I can excuse child slavery, domestic animal abuse by force feeding omnivorous animals vegan diets, child malnutrition because of vegans who aren't fully educated about nutrition, billions of worker bees dying every year to produce the food I eat, organic farmers using animal byproducts for composting, and billions of mice, rats, birds, fish, and insects dying because of agricultural impact... But I draw the line at people choosing to eat meat."

 

 

 

So I'm guessing you only consume animal products and no veggies or crops? Give us a break. Isn't a lot of cropland used to feed the livestock that are bred to be eaten anyway?

[FOCK]

1 hour ago, Miss Show Business said:

Wait until you hear that Veganism kills:

 

- 15 field animals per hecature per year(1)

- 52% of mice present (in grain)(1)

- 77% of rats present (in sugar cane)(1)

- 80% of mice in Australian farms via rodenticide(1)

- 2.7 million birds (in Canada) exposed to pesticides(1)

- 31 million fish annually due to pollution(1)

- 67 million, or 10% of birds annually exposed to pesticides(2)

- In one instance in Australia, 200,000 native ducks in one year to avoid rice crop damage(3)

- By averaging estimates and limiting only to harvested cropland in one study, over 7.3 billion animals are killed annually in agriculture, which is more than the number of cattle and pigs slaughtered yearly (40 and 120 million)(1)  

1. (Field Deaths in Plant Agriculture - Crane https://r.jordan.im/download/ethics/fischer2018.pdf)

2. https://nationalzoo.si.edu/migratory-birds/news/when-it-comes-pesticides-birds-are-sitting-ducks#:~:text=It is estimated that of,outright by ingestion of pesticides.

3. https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/200000-native-ducks-shot-as-pests-of-rice-crops-20140802-zzrjj.html

What were you hoping to prove with this? 

Which part of "harm reduction" is a challenging grasp for you? 

 

Again, the majority of crops are grown, harvested and intended for feeding and maintaining livestock for the meat industry. The conclusion is, the less livestock to feed, the less deaths. It's really not that difficult. You're listing "agriculture", which is an all encompassing term, as though you seem to think it means just fruit and vegetables intended for human consumption, when that's actually, quite a minuscule percentage. It refers to animal farming, fishing, and forest and land clearing to make way for... livestock. Maybe also learn the difference between incidental and intentional suffering. 

 

Granting that you seem highly invested in mice, rats and birds, the given thing to do to reduce your harm, would still be to go vegan. 

 

For most of history, whenever we’ve needed to produce more food, we’ve simply cut down forests or plowed grasslands to make more farms. We’ve already cleared an area roughly the size of South America to grow crops. To raise livestock, we’ve taken over even more land, an area roughly the size of Africa. Agriculture’s footprint has caused the loss of whole ecosystems around the globe, including the prairies of North America and the Atlantic forest of Brazil, and tropical forests continue to be cleared at alarming rates. But we can no longer afford to increase food production through agricultural expansion. Trading tropical forest for farmland is one of the most destructive things we do to the environment, and it is rarely done to benefit the 850 million people in the world who are still hungry. Most of the land cleared for agriculture in the tropics does not contribute much to the world’s food security but is instead used to produce cattle, soybeans for livestock, timber, and palm oil. x

 

 

1 hour ago, Miss Show Business said:

 

Wait until you hear that Vegan activist groups reject beekeeping, despite depending on the work of worker bees to produce crops. Wait until you hear that the California almond industry alone wiped out 50 billion bees in 2018-19 alone.

Since when did Vegans have a claim on Almonds, tf? 

These bees are rented from Honey farms and Beekeepers - thus, not Vegan. 

 

1 hour ago, Miss Show Business said:

 

There is a literal list on the department of labor website that lists all of the products of child slavery — ALOT of nuts, seeds, fruits and veggies are listed.

Fantastic. So now you know the countries to avoid purchasing those items from. We did something useful, look at you go! 

1 hour ago, Miss Show Business said:

 

Enough of the moral virtue signaling. Agriculture has an environmental impact AND an impact on wildlife just as the meat industry does.

Again, you're using "Agriculture" in a broad sense in a desperate attempt to try to land some weird "gotcha", I actually think you don't understand the term. 

 

There is no logical argument you can make against Veganism, if you're at all concerned with anything you have listed. You've made it clear in several posts and threads now, that you're inclined to say "**** it" and not even attempt for a better world, because that makes you feel better about your current practices. Ok. Again, don't stand in the way of progress. It's giving right-wing loon. 
 

Imagine framing an ask like “reduce harm wherever feasible & unnecessary” as “moral virtue signalling”. I dread to know your moral baseline. 
 

 

Edited February 18, 2023 by FOCK

[lover.]

A $1.5 million fine… for shift work child labor (slavery basically) in which 3 children were injured? Make it make sense. 
 

Edit: It’s the US, never mind.   

Edited February 18, 2023 by lover.

[Miss Show Business]

1 hour ago, FOCK said:

What were you hoping to prove with this? 

Which part of "harm reduction" is a challenging grasp for you? 

 

Again, the majority of crops are grown, harvested and intended for feeding and maintaining livestock for the meat industry. The conclusion is, the less livestock to feed, the less deaths. It's really not that difficult. You're listing "agriculture", which is an all encompassing term, as though you seem to think it means just fruit and vegetables intended for human consumption, when that's actually, quite a minuscule percentage. It refers to animal farming, fishing, and forest and land clearing to make way for... livestock. Maybe also learn the difference between incidental and intentional suffering. 

 

Granting that you seem highly invested in mice, rats and birds, the given thing to do to reduce your harm, would still be to go vegan. 

 

For most of history, whenever we’ve needed to produce more food, we’ve simply cut down forests or plowed grasslands to make more farms. We’ve already cleared an area roughly the size of South America to grow crops. To raise livestock, we’ve taken over even more land, an area roughly the size of Africa. Agriculture’s footprint has caused the loss of whole ecosystems around the globe, including the prairies of North America and the Atlantic forest of Brazil, and tropical forests continue to be cleared at alarming rates. But we can no longer afford to increase food production through agricultural expansion. Trading tropical forest for farmland is one of the most destructive things we do to the environment, and it is rarely done to benefit the 850 million people in the world who are still hungry. Most of the land cleared for agriculture in the tropics does not contribute much to the world’s food security but is instead used to produce cattle, soybeans for livestock, timber, and palm oil. x

 

 

Since when did Vegans have a claim on Almonds, tf? 

These bees are rented from Honey farms and Beekeepers - thus, not Vegan. 

 

Fantastic. So now you know the countries to avoid purchasing those items from. We did something useful, look at you go! 

Again, you're using "Agriculture" in a broad sense in a desperate attempt to try to land some weird "gotcha", I actually think you don't understand the term. 

 

There is no logical argument you can make against Veganism, if you're at all concerned with anything you have listed. You've made it clear in several posts and threads now, that you're inclined to say "**** it" and not even attempt for a better world, because that makes you feel better about your current practices. Ok. Again, don't stand in the way of progress. It's giving right-wing loon. 
 

Imagine framing an ask like “reduce harm wherever feasible & unnecessary” as “moral virtue signalling”. I dread to know your moral baseline. 
 

 

Once again, you miss the point I'm trying to make.

 

I'm not arguing against Veganism, I'm not against Veganism. Let's make that clear.

 

I'm pointing out that everything has an environmental impact, yes, even the food we grow as opposed to kill. Living things die for your fruit and vegetables, too. Your posts here reeck of condescension and hypocrisy when talking about the meat industry. This thread isn't a "let's reduce harm everywhere" thread, this thread is pointing out only child slavery that occurs in the meat industry, whilst conveniently ignoring the fact that this occurs in farming, too.

 

You're peddling a clear anti-meat agenda. You're cherry picking only problems in the meat industry and then doubling down when I bring up similar problems experienced in farming.

 

As I said in previous threads, you will hear no complaints from me if you're logically consistent with your beliefs and actually believe in working to make things better across food industries by working together. That's not what you want, you want to point the fingers at only the meat industry, while all the problems I pointed out above are valid, too.

 

There's always room to discuss ways to reduce harm and uneccesary deaths in the food industry as a whole. That's not your goal here, your goal here is to criticize and judge people who choose to eat meat, and you're telling on yourself that this is exactly what you're trying to do by the imagery you routinely bring up in these threads and how pointed your criticisms are.

 

Let's stay consistent, here. The food industry as a whole experiences this problem, not only the meat industry. You can't only criticise the meat industry without also criticising the farms that grow food that also use child labor. It's wrong no matter what industry it's in, and this isn't unique to the meat industry.

[FOCK]

1 hour ago, Miss Show Business said:

I'm pointing out that everything has an environmental impact, yes, even the food we grow as opposed to kill.
 

And you think anyone is unaware of this obvious reality, why? Stating the obvious is hardly “making a point”. 
 

The actual “point” that you’re overlooking, is that MEAT, DAIRY & FISHING are responsible for the majority of this environmental impact, human & animal harm, and unlike the food we actually need to suitably sustain us, it isn’t necessary & is destructive in ways that aren’t as easily regenerative, even impossible, thus they should be eliminated. 
 

1 hour ago, Miss Show Business said:

Living things die for your fruit and vegetables, too. Your posts here reeck of condescension and hypocrisy when talking about the meat industry. This thread isn't a "let's reduce harm everywhere" thread, this thread is pointing out only child slavery that occurs in the meat industry, whilst conveniently ignoring the fact that this occurs in farming, too.

If it harms a sentient being who is not in a position to save themselves, it isn’t vegan. Nobody is ignoring anything. There is no “perfect” vegan.
 

Child labour & slavery still exists & wont be wiped out anytime soon. The majority of the child labour in agricultural industries, is directly related to the production of meat, be it land clearing, crop harvesting or fishing. Eliminating the meat industry, eliminates the bulk of this malpractice. 
 

Sending a child to pick fruit, whilst just as condemnable, is not comparable to psychopathy of sending a child into a slaughterhouse. 
 

1 hour ago, Miss Show Business said:

 

You're peddling a clear anti-meat agenda.

Yes, I think I’ve made that very clear. 

 

1 hour ago, Miss Show Business said:

 

You're cherry picking only problems in the meat industry and then doubling down when I bring up similar problems experienced in farming.

You’re using the terms “farming” and “agriculture” disingenuously, and not acknowledging that when these terms are used, the majority is related to the meat industry in some manner. 

 

1 hour ago, Miss Show Business said:

 

As I said in previous threads, you will hear no complaints from me if you're logically consistent with your beliefs and actually believe in working to make things better across food industries by working together.

 

I’ve remained consistent - you’re projecting and presuming things based on an unclear understanding of what you’re “reporting”. 

 

Working together with whom? And for who’s benefit? Certainly not the victims. Certainly not the planet. Certainly not the displaced communities. 
 

You think the animal meat industry is going to give up their year on year exponential growth, and ever tripling earnings, concede governmental lobbying power, refuse tax bail outs, stop destroying and polluting our oceans & slaughtering billions of animals per day? Ever? For what? Other than a zoonotic plague, an apocalypse or… a simple shift in consumer trends. 

 

1 hour ago, Miss Show Business said:

 

That's not what you want, you want to point the fingers at only the meat industry, while all the problems I pointed out above are valid, too.

Incidental harm is not intentional infliction of suffering and death. There are still harsh realities to life. The ones that can be avoided, should be. 
 

The point about child labor and slavery, again, are ones I would naturally have an issue with, in the context of a vegan philosophy. So, what are you even arguing?

 

HARM ELIMINATION WHEREVER FEASIBLE. 
 

1 hour ago, Miss Show Business said:

 

 

 

Let's stay consistent, here. The food industry as a whole experiences this problem, not only the meat industry. You can't only criticise the meat industry without also criticising the farms that grow food that also use child labor. It's wrong no matter what industry it's in, and this isn't unique to the meat industry.

No, but rape, forcible impregnating, torture, disease, antibiotic resistance, environmental & habitat destruction, soil erosion, ocean plastic pollution, methane emissions, climate change, deaths in the billions per day, species extinction & displaced native communities, are, in fact, things you can guarantee to occur via the meat & dairy industry - which takes up about 70% of the liveable land on earth, and not picking ******* strawberries. 
 

Compare apples to oranges all you like. 

Edited February 18, 2023 by FOCK

[Miss Show Business]

6 minutes ago, FOCK said:

And you think anyone is unaware of this obvious reality, why? Stating the obvious is hardly “making a point”. 
 

The actual “point” that you’re overlooking, is that MEAT, DAIRY & FISHING are responsible for the majority of this environmental impact, human & animal harm, and unlike the food we actually need to suitably sustain us, it isn’t necessary & is destructive in ways that aren’t as easily regenerative, even impossible, thus they should be eliminated. 
 

If it harms a sentient being who is not in a position to save themselves, it isn’t vegan. Nobody is ignoring anything. 
 

Child labour & slavery still exists & wont be wiped out anytime soon. The majority of the child labour in agricultural industries, is directly related to the production of meat, be it land clearing, crop harvesting or fishing. Eliminating the meat industry, eliminates the bulk of this malpractice. 
 

Sending a child to pick fruit, whilst just as condemnable, is not comparable to psychopathy of sending a child into a slaughterhouse. 
 

Yes, I think I’ve made that very clear. 

 

You’re using the terms “farming” and “agriculture” disingenuously, and not acknowledging that when these terms are used, the majority is related to the meat industry in some manner. 

 

I’ve remained consistent - you’re projecting and presuming things based on an unclear understanding of what you’re “reporting”. 

 

Working together with whom? And for who’s benefit? Certainly not the victims. Certainly not the planet. Certainly not the displaced communities. 
 

You think the animal meat industry is going to give up their year on year exponential growth, and ever tripling earnings, concede governmental lobbying power, refuse tax bail outs, stop destroying and polluting our oceans & slaughtering billions of animals per day? Ever? For what? Other than a zoonotic plague, an apocalypse or… a simple shift in consumer trends. 

 

Incidental harm is not intentional infliction of suffering and death. There are still harsh realities to life. The ones that can be avoided, should be. 
 

The point about child labor and slavery, again, are ones I would naturally have an issue with, in the context of a vegan philosophy. So, what are you even arguing?

 

HARM ELIMINATION WHEREVER FEASIBLE. 
 

No, but rape, forcible impregnating, torture, disease, antibiotic resistance, environmental & habitat destruction, soil erosion, ocean plastic pollution, methane emissions, climate change, deaths in the billions per day, species extinction & displaced native communities, are, in fact, things you can guarantee to occur via the meat industry, and not picking ******* strawberries. 
 

Compare apples to oranges all you like. 

You're truly and utterly hopeless. I feel sorry for you, because with your condescending attitude, you're not going to solve any of the problems you preach so hard against. I'll let the facts and statistics I used speak for themselves. They're relevant and valid whether you think they are or not. Good day.