So there's a clear and apparent culture war being waged on LGBT people.

[CottageHore]

Those of you denying this or making a joke of it will be the first to go  and none of your queer counterparts will have any interest in supporting your asses either. Y’all are so deeply miserable and insecure it’s hilarious. God bless y’all, you’re gonna need it.

[Headlock]

6 hours ago, Century said:

People have always been dying.

Jesus ******* Christ 

[Headlock]

4 hours ago, Insanity said:

I realized I was gay well before 18 but some people don't no

It was a rhetorical question 

[Miss Show Business]

Put my rant in a spoiler 'cause I may be rambling, but just venting

 

This has been on my mind alot lately.

 

Spoiler

It's extremely disheartening... And in a way, I feel powerless. How in the hell did we let things get to this point? I mean... We're literally at the point where the right wing wants to outlaw drag... This is some BS not seen since before the Stonewall riots.

 

There's far too many LGBTQ folks... Mostly the male yt cis ones... Who have blinders on when it comes to LGBTQ issues, and, worse, still vote for conservative politicians. This is something I think needs to be called out far more. There needs to be no place for these types of men in our community: none.

 

The LGBTQ community isn't exactly the most organized as it used to be... ****, I think our generation in general lacks alot of what the activists had in previous generations.

 

Additionally, our government is at best dysfunctional, at worst, completely and totally incapable of fulfilling people's needs, especially it's most vulnerable people. I don't think enough people talk about this seriously. America's political issues right now are a huge problem.

 

IMO, In the 20th century, despite its challenges, America's politics weren't as dysfunctional as they are now. The problem is, is that our government, by design, is not capable of handling political dysfunction. I mean, we can't even bar literal insurrectionists from congress.

 

There were alot of great things happening in America in the 70s. All of those SCOTUS rulings that put fundamental rights on the map, Roe obviously, but other court cases were started, that ultimately I think, may have helped cause some of our problems now. The biggest one being a case (or perhaps it was a law started in congress, don't exactly remember) that would've made the national popular vote the deciding factor of Presidential elections. This would've solved alot of problems today. But this was abandoned then. Basically, everything started going downhill with Reagan.

 

I'm at a point where I'm quite simply just giving up on my country. I actually am lucky enough to potentially have an opportunity to move to a different country, and you bet I'm going to take that opportunity... Because America isn't the place to build a life. Whatever lustre it may have had to some people at one time is long gone. It's no longer a place I want to build a life or god forbid raise children. The fact that America, economically standing, is so important, makes this a really huge issue.

 

America needs a catharsis. I don't know what else to hope for. America needs a huge wake up call, or else it's not going to get better for anyone.

 

I also wish, that other countries would put their popcorn down watching us, and actually apply real pressure for America to make changes.

 

None of us should be worrying about our rights in 2023. Perhaps my mood about this is what alot of people feel - just tired and defeated.

 

Edited February 17, 2023 by Miss Show Business

[Headlock]

6 hours ago, Century said:

The main gap is in understanding and education, not in basic human decency. 

Incorrect. These people push back against the “woke” mob because they feel we are trying to change what should be the natural order of things. Queer people, POC, women, we are not supposed to have power, and showing the inherent prejudices, big and small, that are inflicted on us on a daily basis makes conservatives uncomfortable.

 

If a person fighting for their rights to exist as an individual makes you uncomfortable and pushes onto the side of literal fascists, then no, there is no foundation of basic human decency there to begin with.

[Headlock]

5 hours ago, XO_Life said:

 

 

but at the end of the day I get why people start to hate us again if they associate all the gays with him or someone like him.

The way you’re AGREEING people like Sam deserve to be the victim of a hate crime  

[L.B GAGA]

Conservatives are so sensitive nowadays its just laughable. They get triggered too fast

[West Coast]

I been feeling this too and I’m glad I’m not the only one! 
it seems like being homophobic slowly became funny, trendy and cool 

[Mr. Blue_Shirt]

9 hours ago, Century said:

Attacking anybody you suspect to not be aligned enough is the exact cause for the current wave of reactionary conservatism. 

You're giving these reactionaries too much credit here

 

If these people turning into right wing as soon as they get question about the beliefs, then they're never been a liberal and good ally to begin with. These "criticism" they get is just a reason for them to becoming a bigot

 

I've seen plenty of leftist and progressives who are annoying as hell but I've never become a reactionary because of them 

 

Most people who already know and stand their ground to support LGBTQ+ people would never become an anti as soon as they've seen annoying queer people online 

[Da Vinci]

12 hours ago, Mr. Blue_Shirt said:

You're giving these reactionaries too much credit here

 

If these people turning into right wing as soon as they get question about the beliefs, then they're never been a liberal and good ally to begin with. These "criticism" they get is just a reason for them to becoming a bigot

 

I've seen plenty of leftist and progressives who are annoying as hell but I've never become a reactionary because of them 

 

Most people who already know and stand their ground to support LGBTQ+ people would never become an anti as soon as they've seen annoying queer people online 

Ding Ding Ding Ding!

 

Like the worst they can do is be annoying while the bigots you're siding with literally wants you dead or without rights at the very least

It's really WEIRD seeing ATRL posts of all things suggesting empathy for bigots like JK or to put yourself in their shoes or to shift blame onto LGBT for "turning people transphobic/homophobic" meanwhile downplay actual queer struggles ("Sam Smith getting attacked is a publicity stunt!")

 

"B-but JK got death threats on Twitter!  "

 

***** what about actual regular trans people who AREN'T rich billionaires with tons of security getting MURDERED irl??

[The7thStranger]

On 2/16/2023 at 6:36 PM, XO_Life said:

Well, I am for one do not feel represented by the likes of Sam Smith nor does the majority of homosexuals. 

But it's not about you alone.

 

I don't feel represented by Peter Thiel, but he's there, and he's allowed to act however he wants.

[worldwide angel]

 

 

 

16 hours ago, CottageHore said:

Those of you denying this or making a joke of it will be the first to go  and none of your queer counterparts will have any interest in supporting your asses either. Y’all are so deeply miserable and insecure it’s hilarious. God bless y’all, you’re gonna need it.

 

15 hours ago, Headlock said:

Incorrect. These people push back against the “woke” mob because they feel we are trying to change what should be the natural order of things. Queer people, POC, women, we are not supposed to have power, and showing the inherent prejudices, big and small, that are inflicted on us on a daily basis makes conservatives uncomfortable.

 

If a person fighting for their rights to exist as an individual makes you uncomfortable and pushes onto the side of literal fascists, then no, there is no foundation of basic human decency there to begin with.

 

13 hours ago, Mr. Blue_Shirt said:

You're giving these reactionaries too much credit here

 

If these people turning into right wing as soon as they get question about the beliefs, then they're never been a liberal and good ally to begin with. These "criticism" they get is just a reason for them to becoming a bigot

 

I've seen plenty of leftist and progressives who are annoying as hell but I've never become a reactionary because of them 

 

Most people who already know and stand their ground to support LGBTQ+ people would never become an anti as soon as they've seen annoying queer people online 

 

1 hour ago, Da Vinci said:

Ding Ding Ding Ding!

 

Like the worst they can do is be annoying while the bigots you're siding with literally wants you dead or without rights at the very least

It's really WEIRD seeing ATRL posts of all things suggesting empathy for bigots like JK or to put yourself in their shoes or to shift blame onto LGBT for "turning people transphobic/homophobic" meanwhile downplay actual queer struggles ("Sam Smith getting attacked is a publicity stunt!")

 

"B-but JK got death threats on Twitter!  "

 

***** what about actual regular trans people who AREN'T rich billionaires with tons of security getting MURDERED irl??

 

1 hour ago, The7thStranger said:

But it's not about you alone.

 

I don't feel represented by Peter Thiel, but he's there, and he's allowed to act however he wants.

 

 

yess to all of this

 

it really does not take that much effort to offer 

people basic human respect...

 

 you self-hating weirdos love using words

like "confusion", "misunderstanding", etc. 

during your very disgusting transphobia

/ attack on non-binary folks. 

 

you are not, were not, and will never be 

accepted by the homophobes and 

transphobes you constantly seek validation 

from. 

 

when these right-wingers attack, and they will,

no amount of self-hate or willingness to throw 

other queer people under the bus will save you 

from the horrific legislation, attacks, and other 

sick acts they have been waiting to do. 

 

you can give grace to people who would 

pour more gasoline on you if you were on

fire...

 

but its soooo much to ask you to idk 

read an article, talk to actual trans / nb people 

(and i don't mean in ways that satisfy your

confirmation bias._

 

and if you don't want to do that... then maybe 

try respecting people on the basis that they 

are a human being ?

 

 

 

Edited February 17, 2023 by worldwide angel

[Headlock]

14 hours ago, Mr. Blue_Shirt said:

You're giving these reactionaries too much credit here

 

If these people turning into right wing as soon as they get question about the beliefs, then they're never been a liberal and good ally to begin with. These "criticism" they get is just a reason for them to becoming a bigot

 

I've seen plenty of leftist and progressives who are annoying as hell but I've never become a reactionary because of them 

 

Most people who already know and stand their ground to support LGBTQ+ people would never become an anti as soon as they've seen annoying queer people online 

[Mr. Blue_Shirt]

3 hours ago, Da Vinci said:

Ding Ding Ding Ding!

 

Like the worst they can do is be annoying while the bigots you're siding with literally wants you dead or without rights at the very least

It's really WEIRD seeing ATRL posts of all things suggesting empathy for bigots like JK or to put yourself in their shoes or to shift blame onto LGBT for "turning people transphobic/homophobic" meanwhile downplay actual queer struggles ("Sam Smith getting attacked is a publicity stunt!")

 

"B-but JK got death threats on Twitter!  "

 

***** what about actual regular trans people who AREN'T rich billionaires with tons of security getting MURDERED irl??

Yeah but honestly the discourse is so tiring to me like, If these people becoming right wing reactionary because someone told them not to misgender trans people for example, then i don't know what to tell you babes nnn

 

Someone like JK Rowling isn't transphobic because she personally decided one day that trans person offended her, she's transphobic because she's a sh*tty person in general and now she's just letting her mask off 

[Zoe_]

On 2/16/2023 at 11:43 AM, Beyondslay said:

Idk but this Homosexchaa fights AND shoots back! 

 

 

I know that right!

 

Anyone that wants it can get it. Period!

[Rep2000]

4 hours ago, Da Vinci said:

Ding Ding Ding Ding!

 

Like the worst they can do is be annoying while the bigots you're siding with literally wants you dead or without rights at the very least

It's really WEIRD seeing ATRL posts of all things suggesting empathy for bigots like JK or to put yourself in their shoes or to shift blame onto LGBT for "turning people transphobic/homophobic" meanwhile downplay actual queer struggles ("Sam Smith getting attacked is a publicity stunt!")

 

"B-but JK got death threats on Twitter!  "

 

***** what about actual regular trans people who AREN'T rich billionaires with tons of security getting MURDERED irl??

ATRL are full of pick me-me-mes wbk. Sam Smith wore a cheap Halloween hat with horns and somehow they deserve to be harassed and attacked by some Irish Catholics hag who doesn't give a f about their own church's pedophilia problem? There are no "both sides" to be had here.

[tost1]

The war has never stopped, it just had ups and downs and denouncing sam smith won't get you any closer to being safe. Some people will always hate you for being you no matter what you do and it's important not to cave in to fear

[AvadaKedavra]

We need more conversations and unity instead of cannibalizing each other. 
We cant fight opression if we are already very divided as a community. 

[Communion]

This thread revealing some of y'all as evil. 

[Poxy]

I want to echo that one user from earlier… y’all who say “Sam smith doesn’t represent ME!” Need to realize homophobes put you under the same category as every other LGBT person. They hate you just as much. They don’t think you’re better just because you not “like” Sam smith. Sam hasn’t damaged the way they would view ~you~ 

[Mordecai]

LGBT sentiment has been sliding backwards because of two things: first and foremost, Trump has emboldened right wingers and encouraged/allowed them to be more open in their bigotry, and secondly, the fight for trans rights which has made LGB people and rights 'guilty' by association and people are using it as an excuse to take down both.

 

Edit: That and the whole debate over gender and pronouns, which people all lump together

Edited February 18, 2023 by Mordecai

[JustLikeHoney]

Yes there is, but some people on this site claim both parties to be equally bad. They claimed Hilary was just as bad as Trump.  Blah blah blah. People claimed that compromise isn't the way. People claimed that the generation before us didn't do enough for our rights. These same people are the ones cannibalizing the people they should be learning from. 

 

If another republican is allowed to become president, our community will continue to lose rights, guaranteed.  

 

Also the war is not just in LGBTQIA+ community. Obviously is on the black community and Latin community. And even on teachers. Teachers are fed up in Florida for example. 

 

 

[Zoe_]

There is an obvious growing hate against LGBT and within the community as well.

 

1. Don't take disrespect from anyone.

2. Get your guns. Guns aren't going anywhere. The straights are becoming more violent as I type. Be ready.

3. Focus on your mental health and that involves limiting social media, doing things you enjoy, and having goals.  

4. There's nothing wrong with answering legit questions. If someone is curious about something, simply give them an answer as long as they're respectful. 

5. There seems to be a growing hate within the community. Within the gay community, there is fat-shamming, racism, colorism, and classism issues that are covered up in "preference." There are many gays who will not befriend another gay if they don't find the person attractive/f***able. Lets have respect for one another. 

 

 

Rant over!

 

[Sawk]

We should protect trans people at all costs, I feel so bad cause the community is being attacked so much right now 

 

we just want to live like what the f*ck 

[RunUpDoneUp]

Nazism must be combatted WITHOUT calling them nazis.

Racism must be combatted WITHOUT calling them racist.

You can fight fascism but you must first believe it doesn't exist.

You can fight racism but you must first believe it doesn't exist.

 

This is conservative doctrine 101.

 

That line of thought, of hiding and trying to cajole someone who is wrong without them feeling like they were wrong is exactly how ground is given to the wrong people in the first place. We need MORE name calling, we need MORE mockery and we need MORE debating. Not less. A quiet field is a lost one.

 

You know how I KNOW the people reciting republican talking points about lgbt representation are mindless drones? Because they never say the actual solution, which is; MORE REPRESENTATION, not less. We need MORE gay characters, MORE trans characters, MORE nonbinary characters. For every 1million straight characters, we get 1k great ones, the same diamond in the rough principle applies for lgbt ones. The screen writing industry is aware of the need for better lgbt representation but what owns them is the companies they work for: they just want the points not the substance and that's not their fault. It's capitalist framework 101(tokenization for profit) and that's the issue, not lgbt people being in stuff.

 

The problem is being mischaracterized by the right because being honest destroys their ability to move forward with their genocidal tendencies without opposition. The problem is that "normal" or "centrist" people refuse to acknowledge that they're just rightwingers who're scared to go to church.

 

You are not a "regular" person for denying someone healthcare.

You are not a "regular" person for denying someone their identity.

You are not a "regular" person for denying someone the same respect you afford others purely based on their biology.

 

Despite what's said, what people do matters way more and nothing that erases or gets kids in the lgbt community killed is ever, EVER going to be anything but targeted hate and endangerment.

 

There is no debating reality, any gay man, lesbian woman, straight "ally" or "concerned citizen" that lies or repeat lies to the destruction of the gay community should be treated like the victims inevitably do as a result of their "opinions."

Edited February 19, 2023 by RunUpDoneUp