Squall Posted February 24, 2023 Posted February 24, 2023 1 minute ago, Machete said: The artist list makes no sense. Jay Chou top 10 there but out of albums is completely baseless. Then we have NBA Youngboy top 20 there which on paper you would think makes sense because he was #3 in the US, but when you realize 80% of his US streams are from YouTube and he doesn’t even rank in the top 50 on Global YouTube in addition to being completely OUT on Spotify… IFPI will never be legitimate as long as they continue to just go off label reported numbers and do very little audits. Yeah 100% agree, they seem to do the bare minimum and that's sad
UnusualBoy Posted February 24, 2023 Posted February 24, 2023 30 really served 1 - OUT lol. Sucks but it's what they deserv for the way they handled that era. And not shocked at some swifties being petty once
Squall Posted February 24, 2023 Posted February 24, 2023 (edited) EDIT: nevermind, need to read the report hold on Edited February 24, 2023 by Squall
Cruel Summer Posted February 24, 2023 Posted February 24, 2023 4 minutes ago, Machete said: The artist list makes no sense. Jay Chou top 10 there but out of albums is completely baseless. Then we have NBA Youngboy top 20 there which on paper you would think makes sense because he was #3 in the US, but when you realize 80% of his US streams are from YouTube and he doesn’t even rank in the top 50 on Global YouTube in addition to being completely OUT on Spotify… IFPI will never be legitimate as long as they continue to just go off label reported numbers and do very little audits. 3 minutes ago, Squall said: Yeah 100% agree, they seem to do the bare minimum and that's sad The problem with this is that auditing an entire world of sales, streams, and shipments would be an incredibly complex and time-consuming task. I don't think we'd ever get an IFPI report this early in the year again if they chose to switch to data sources that are independent from the labels themselves. Even in just one market, the US, there have historically been multiple different sources of music consumption data that don't even always agree with each other. While label-reported numbers should be treated with a healthy amount of skepticism, I don't know if there's a workable alternative.
Squall Posted February 24, 2023 Posted February 24, 2023 4 minutes ago, bijonse said: Even though kpop boy groups are only known by their fandoms they place high on these lists because they weigh physicals more heavily than any other format. Theirs a few of them above her that nobody, not even ppl in korea, are playing I'm not so sure. I mean: Quote The IFPI Global Album All Format Chart takes into account all consumption formats, spanning physical sales, digital downloads, and streaming platforms across a calendar year. It is weighted based on the relative value of each method of consumption. The fact they make a distinction between downloads/physical sales seems to go this way indeed... but still, Bad Bunny is #1 despite poor pure sales so that's hard to say. They need to reveal their methodology, can't find them on last year's report
Taylena Posted February 24, 2023 Posted February 24, 2023 17 minutes ago, Carry My Heart said: What's the consensus on Chinese sales? Are they systemically deflated by IFPI or something? Because Midnights sold very well in China like her albums always do there, and if they snubbed Jay Chou, then much of the sales from China must be excluded altogether, no? 16 minutes ago, Axelios said: We don't know, but Jay Chou album not even being top 20 with his 7 million pure sales while being on the top 10 artists is very weird. My guess is that IFPI heavily weighted down Chinese sales in the albums charts since now they're doing a SPS list and streams are also weighted down by revenue. Chinese albums are extremely cheap (~4 dollars). But for the artists chart they just considered all units regardless of their worth revenue-wise.
Squall Posted February 24, 2023 Posted February 24, 2023 Just now, Taylena said: My guess is that IFPI heavily weighted down Chinese sales in the albums charts since now they're doing a SPS list and streams are also weighted down by revenue. Chinese albums are extremely cheap (~4 dollars). But for the artists chart they just considered all units regardless of their worth revenue-wise. Even if they weigted it down by revenue (even though that's stupid honestly), it still doesn't make sense to me. Greatest Works Of Art generated $31,137,862. If we take a $9.99 digital price (and some western albums are cheaper than that), it still gives 3.116M sales, how is it not enough for a top 20?
Holiest Dreams Posted February 24, 2023 Posted February 24, 2023 10 minutes ago, Machete said: The artist list makes no sense. Jay Chou top 10 there but out of albums is completely baseless. Then we have NBA Youngboy top 20 there which on paper you would think makes sense because he was #3 in the US, but when you realize 80% of his US streams are from YouTube and he doesn’t even rank in the top 50 on Global YouTube in addition to being completely OUT on Spotify… IFPI will never be legitimate as long as they continue to just go off label reported numbers and do very little audits. I agree that the Jay Chou situation makes no sense but overall IFPI is literally as legitimate as legitimate gets
simmnfierzig Posted February 24, 2023 Posted February 24, 2023 2 minutes ago, Holiest Dreams said: I agree that the Jay Chou situation makes no sense but overall IFPI is literally as legitimate as legitimate gets Chartmasters >>>>
Squall Posted February 24, 2023 Posted February 24, 2023 Just now, simmnfierzig said: Chartmasters >>>> At least he changed his mind on China but don't get me started on his hypocrisy
byzantium Posted February 24, 2023 Posted February 24, 2023 25 minutes ago, Mystic Boy said: Why is RENAISSANCE this low? Is it the pure sales chart? I obviously don’t have access to the data, but it seems like a roughly accurate placement. Renaissance is probably at somewhere like 2m EAS units which is where those other albums from 10-20 seem to be.
Holiest Dreams Posted February 24, 2023 Posted February 24, 2023 3 minutes ago, simmnfierzig said: Chartmasters >>>> I prefer them too and find them to be way more transparent but let’s be real, they’re still not recognized unlike IFPI which obviously is. And IFPI has access to way more data anyway, while CM is heavily reliant on estimations, mostly accurate ones, but still. If only they’d be more transparent.
Otter Posted February 24, 2023 Posted February 24, 2023 32 minutes ago, Mystic Boy said: Why is RENAISSANCE this low? Is it the pure sales chart? Of the Western albums that launched in 2022, it's no.5. Which is pretty good all things considered. With the asian markets dominating and physicals playing such a big role, it's not easy for western acts to crack top 20 with only half a year of tracking
family.guy123 Posted February 24, 2023 Posted February 24, 2023 ADELE’s sold out vinyl still has people mad all these years later hehe
kawk Posted February 24, 2023 Posted February 24, 2023 (edited) Outsold all your faves Edited February 24, 2023 by kawk
Broken Posted February 24, 2023 Posted February 24, 2023 L after L after L . Poor Ms. Impact and her cult.
BellKat Posted February 24, 2023 Posted February 24, 2023 2 hours ago, DreamGlow said: Top 10 Global Albums 2022 Rank | Artist and album title Bad Bunny – Un Verano Sin Ti Taylor Swift – Midnights Harry Styles – Harry’s House BTS – Proof Encanto Cast – Encanto OST Stray Kids – MAXIDENT SEVENTEEN – Face the Sun BLACKPINK – BORN PINK Olivia Rodrigo – SOUR Ed Sheeran – = ENHYPHEN – MANIFESTO: DAY 1 Morgan Wallen – Dangerous: The Double Album Doja Cat – Planet Her Stray Kids – ODDINARY The Weeknd – Dawn FM TOMORROW X TOGETHER – minisode 2: Thursday’s Child Beyoncé – RENAISSANCE SEVENTEEN – SECTOR 17 The Kid LAROI – F*CK LOVE (Mix Tape) Drake – Certified Lover Boy https://www.ifpi.org/bad-bunnys-un-verano-sin-ti-announced-as-winner-of-ifpis-global-album-award/ Bad Bunny is killing it
Armani? Posted February 24, 2023 Posted February 24, 2023 6 hours ago, Machete said: The artist list makes no sense. Jay Chou top 10 there but out of albums is completely baseless. Then we have NBA Youngboy top 20 there which on paper you would think makes sense because he was #3 in the US, but when you realize 80% of his US streams are from YouTube and he doesn’t even rank in the top 50 on Global YouTube in addition to being completely OUT on Spotify… IFPI will never be legitimate as long as they continue to just go off label reported numbers and do very little audits. NBA Youngboy got well over 5 Billion streams last year in the US. His placement isnt really surprising
Machete Posted February 24, 2023 Posted February 24, 2023 1 minute ago, Armani? said: NBA Youngboy got well over 5 Billion streams last year in the US. His placement isnt really surprising I am aware he got that many streams. However, that does NOT stack up to anything notable outside the US. 2.5B of those US streams come from YouTube. But he literally got less than 400M YT views outside of the US Applying that % ratio of 86% of his streams coming from the US, his US figure of 5B would extrapolate to a mere 5.8B streams worldwide. That figure makes sense with his non existence presence on Spotify, but it would not add up to his position on the list. My idea is his label must have fraudulently reported all of his YouTube streams as fully paid streams.
Ms. Togekiss Posted February 25, 2023 Posted February 25, 2023 7 hours ago, simmnfierzig said: Nah that's not it. UVST is like 5 times bigger on Spotify than any album ever. It's not anyone. But yeah just looking at global Spotify streams obviously becomes more and more important for this list What I meant is that anyone who smashes on Spotify can make it to the top 10 without pure sales now. And I’m not saying a measly 500k like some acts have done, I’m talking about literally no pure sales (isn’t UVST estimated at like 20k pure sales?). Not anyone can smash to even a fraction that he did, but everyone that does has a fair shot at being in the top 10. - not Adele’s album completely flopping out of the consumption chart even with the hundreds of thousands of copies collecting dust on store stands
Cloröx Posted February 25, 2023 Posted February 25, 2023 10 hours ago, Green said: The Chinese guy was snubbed here but he made the Artists chart thanks to his album shipments? It doesn't make any sense Surprised at Bad Bunny being #1 despite of his poor pure sales His pure sales is digital copies, has nothing to do with shipments
Taylor fanboy Posted February 25, 2023 Posted February 25, 2023 IFPI needs to shake it up. Boring list.
spiritboy Posted February 25, 2023 Posted February 25, 2023 I'm glad Ed managed to sneak in. Equals in top 10 albums, Ed in top 10 artists and Bad Habits & shivers in top 10. Not bad for a flop era.
Lovett Posted February 25, 2023 Posted February 25, 2023 RENAISSANCE slaying. We love to see it and the impact the fumes it's causing people. 25 years in and still global.
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