Pacify Him Posted February 15, 2023 Posted February 15, 2023 I don't think so. We need to build more skyscraper livestock farms like they do in China
Pacify Him Posted February 15, 2023 Posted February 15, 2023 21 minutes ago, Armani? said: It's giving putting blueberries in cigarettes You need a basic nutrition class plenty of vitamins and minerals need other vitamins and minerals for biochemical processes in the body. Iron is very important for women for reasons I'm sure you should already know
Armani? Posted February 15, 2023 Posted February 15, 2023 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Pacify Him said: You need a basic nutrition class plenty of vitamins and minerals need other vitamins and minerals for biochemical processes in the body. Iron is very important for women for reasons I'm sure you should already know You need basic nutrition class You dont need to eat human DNA damaging Heme Iron to get a adequate amount in a day Above the recommended minimum for women & 2X that for men without even trying a random day of the week I decided to put in on the 8th. But you do you Cooking iron foods with Vitamin C boosts absorption https://www.annualreviews.org/doi/abs/10.1146/annurev.nu.01.070181.001011 Also garlic & Onion boosts absorption https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20597543/ @Pacify Him Edited February 15, 2023 by Armani?
Miss Show Business Posted February 15, 2023 Posted February 15, 2023 7 hours ago, GraceRandolph said: I've presented my ideas in polite ways and still gotten tons of backlash from pressed meat eaters sending me gore and animal torture videos. It's not like vegans being nice or mean is the real reason meat eaters get upset when this topic gets brought up... That's abhorrent, and I don't condone that in any way. However, "Vegans must rise up, we have let the depravity go unchecked for far too long." Isn't exactly "polite" and doesn't read as something serious. Like I said, if you're serious and want to discuss ways of moving forward when it comes to reducing suffering from animals who are killed for meat, then that we can discuss. We can discuss reducing suffering and more humane ways of killing animals. We can discuss funding lab grown meat and an eventual phasing out of killed meat. These are realistic solutions to your concerns everybody can get on board with. If your position is that we should just all stop eating meat and that humans should no longer consume other animals? That's bordering on extreme and not something everyone agrees with. Humans are omnivores by nature... Our brains have developed the way they have because we have consumed meat and animal products. Additionally, even if humans didn't kill animals for food, plenty of species require meat in their diets. Animals are always going to suffer and be killed by other animals in the wild. It is literally impossible to completely eliminate suffering and killing in the wild. Some pets even require meat. Cats MUST have meat in their diets or they'll become severely malnourished. Animals like snakes - literally require a diet of dead baby mice. Isn't it actually torture to not feed these animals what they require in their diets? Even if we weren't killing animals for ourselves, these animals people frequently keep as pets would require this in their diets... Not giving it to them is torturing them and abusing them, plain and simple... There is no such thing as a "vegan" cat, period. Like I said, you're simply not going to stop all killing when it comes to this issue in a broader sense. There is a reasonable way to discuss reducing killing when it comes to humans — but jumping to extremes is not the way to move forward. Working together to improve conditions on farms, reducing suffering, and advocating for funding for lab grown meat research — these are solutions you can and will get alot of support from from omnivores. But, omnivores aren't just going to suddenly change their diets to appease vegans who think this way...
Pacify Him Posted February 15, 2023 Posted February 15, 2023 9 minutes ago, Armani? said: You need basic nutrition class You dont need to eat human DNA damaging Heme Iron to get a adequate amount in a day Above the recommended minimum for women & 2X that for men without even trying a random day of the week I decided to put in on the 8th. But you do you Cooking iron foods with Vitamin C boosts absorption https://www.annualreviews.org/doi/abs/10.1146/annurev.nu.01.070181.001011 Also garlic & Onion boosts absorption https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20597543/ @Pacify Him Wot is this henny. You provide your entire meal plan for the day without ever explaining the function of Iron and how it is excreted unnecessary amounts of it from our body.. Let me explain it to you: it is common sense not to overindulge in certain vitamins and minerals, Iron included, and as you should know by that vitamin C reabsorbs iron and we should thank that user for educating you on that. You're overdoing it for no reason.
Pacify Him Posted February 15, 2023 Posted February 15, 2023 @Armani?Also stop providing misinformation that heme iron is unnecessary for the body. It is very vital for Hb formation. Please learn these things
Armani? Posted February 15, 2023 Posted February 15, 2023 6 minutes ago, Pacify Him said: @Armani?Also stop providing misinformation that heme iron is unnecessary for the body. It is very vital for Hb formation. Please learn these things A probable carcinogen and one that damages Human DNA at low and normal concentrations is unnecessary. Also he was talking about Vitamin C & Vitamin E in terms of counteracting the oxidation of heme iron, not in regulating the amount of absorbed. Did you even read the replies 19mg is not overdoing iron, especially since it's not the heme iron carcinogen. 20mg and lower a day is safe for men
Guest Posted February 15, 2023 Posted February 15, 2023 (edited) Hello you weren't talking to me but I wanna throw in my 2 cents. 10 minutes ago, Miss Show Business said: Like I said, if you're serious and want to discuss ways of moving forward when it comes to reducing suffering from animals who are killed for meat, then that we can discuss. We can discuss reducing suffering and more humane ways of killing animals. We can discuss funding lab grown meat and an eventual phasing out of killed meat. Reducing the suffering isn't enough. Animals are sentient beings who deserve the right to live without us killing them. There is no humane way to kill someone who doesn't want to die. 10 minutes ago, Miss Show Business said: These are realistic solutions to your concerns everybody can get on board with. If your position is that we should just all stop eating meat and that humans should no longer consume other animals? That's bordering on extreme and not something everyone agrees with. Humans are omnivores by nature... Our brains have developed the way they have because we have consumed meat and animal products. So saying "Let's not unnecessarily mass kill innocent beings for the pleasure of our tastebuds" is extreme? Also the fact that we are omnivores by nature is irrelevant when you consider the amount of things we all do in our daily lives that are completely unnatural, including but not limited to mass breeding then mass executing living beings as if they don't matter. None of this is natural. 10 minutes ago, Miss Show Business said: Additionally, even if humans didn't kill animals for food, plenty of species require meat in their diets. Animals are always going to suffer and be killed by other animals in the wild. It is literally impossible to completely eliminate suffering and killing in the wild. No one is saying we must stand guard in the forest and make sure a fox doesn't get a rabbit, but we're no longer in nature, we're in a civilisation. In a nature setting humans raped and killed each other, but now we live in a civilisation and we have morality. It's obviously impossible to remove all suffering from the world but that doesn't mean we should mass cause suffering and act like it's acceptable. We should be kind to animals, respect their right to live and end the madness of the animal agriculture industry. A good step in the right direction would be taxing these unnecessary and incredibly destructive products. Edited February 15, 2023 by Yum I made a typo >.<
Miss Show Business Posted February 15, 2023 Posted February 15, 2023 (edited) 1 minute ago, Yum said: Hello you weren't talking to me but I wanna throw in my 2 cents. Reducing the suffering isn't enough. Animals are sentient beings who deserve the right to live without us killing them. There is no humane way to kill someone who doesn't want to die. So saying "Let's not unnecessarily mass kill innocent beings for the pleasure of our tastebuds" is extreme? Also the fact that are omnivores by nature is irrelevant when you consider the amount of things we all do in our daily lives that are completely unnatural, including but not limited to mass breeding then mass executing living beings as if they don't matter. None of this is natural. No one is saying we must stand guard in the forest and make sure a fox doesn't get a rabbit, but we're no longer in nature, we're in a civilisation. In a nature setting humans raped and killed each other, but now we live in a civilisation and we have morality. It's obviously impossible to remove all suffering from the world but that doesn't mean we should mass cause suffering and act like it's acceptable. We should be kind to animals, respect their right to live and end the madness of the animal agriculture industry. A good step in the right direction would be taxing these unnecessary and incredibly destructive products. Love that you conveniently ignored my point about animals in the wild and animals we keep as pets. You're an extremist Edit: sorry, you did, but the minute you start spewing nonsense like this I don't even want to read anything else you want to say. What I said are the ways we can move forward. There is no other way and omnivores are not going to compromise to appease your extreme ideology. End of story. Edited February 15, 2023 by Miss Show Business
Guest Posted February 15, 2023 Posted February 15, 2023 Just now, Miss Show Business said: Love that you conveniently ignored my point about animals in the wild and animals we keep as pets. I didn't see it relevant to talk about animal consumption because last I checked fox's don't pay taxes, but to answer your question, yes animals can eat animals in nature. Animals that need to eat animals for their own survival and health can eat animals. Humans do not need to eat animals nor should we. 1 minute ago, Miss Show Business said: You're an extremist Honestly disgusting you've used that word in this situation. All I'm doing is standing up for those who are suffering, being abused and murdered and can't do anything about it because they don't have a voice.
Pacify Him Posted February 15, 2023 Posted February 15, 2023 1 minute ago, Armani? said: A probable carcinogen and one that damages Human DNA at low and normal concentrations is unnecessary. Also he was talking about Vitamin C & Vitamin E in terms of counteracting the oxidation of heme iron, not in regulating the amount of absorbed. Did you even read the replies You're sounding like one of those who will even say Oxygen is slowly destroying our organs. Of course any vitamins and minerals in excessive amounts are toxic for the body. You're done, okay? Vegans will never be good nutritionists as evident by this thread
Miss Show Business Posted February 15, 2023 Posted February 15, 2023 Just now, Yum said: I didn't see it relevant to talk about animal consumption because last I checked fox's don't pay taxes, but to answer your question, yes animals can eat animals in nature. Animals that need to eat animals for their own survival and health can eat animals. Humans do not need to eat animals nor should we. Honestly disgusting you've used that word in this situation. All I'm doing is standing up for those who are suffering, being abused and murdered and can't do anything about it because they don't have a voice. Human lives > animal lives This is the opinion of most omnivores. You're not going to change it. Some animals literally have no other purpose than to be food for other animals.
Armani? Posted February 15, 2023 Posted February 15, 2023 3 minutes ago, Pacify Him said: You're sounding like one of those who will even say Oxygen is slowly destroying our organs. Of course any vitamins and minerals in excessive amounts are toxic for the body. You're done, okay? Vegans will never be good nutritionists as evident by this thread Reading is fundamental 8 minutes ago, Armani? said: A probable carcinogen and one that damages Human DNA at low and normal concentrations is unnecessary. If you can't comprehend then perhaps you shouldn't join the nutritional discussion in which I was the only person to provide scientific evidence for anything here anyways
Guest Posted February 16, 2023 Posted February 16, 2023 Just now, Miss Show Business said: Human lives > animal lives Sure, if you have to save one, save a human, but our lives are not at stake so this is irrelevant. 1 minute ago, Miss Show Business said: This is the opinion of most omnivores. You're not going to change it. I'm not personally going to change it, absolutely. But it is my opinion that eventually the human species will realise how wrong this is and correct their actions. 2 minutes ago, Miss Show Business said: Some animals literally have no other purpose than to be food for other animals. Animals are not here to serve us, or provide a function. They are their own beings living their own lives and they should not be commodified by humans.
Pacify Him Posted February 16, 2023 Posted February 16, 2023 1 minute ago, Armani? said: Reading is fundamental If you can't comprehend then perhaps you shouldn't join the nutritional discussion in which I was the only person to provide scientific evidence for anything anyways I am literally studying nutrition for a degree. You might as well be feeding yourself while wearing sterile gloves
K$Ellie Posted February 16, 2023 Posted February 16, 2023 (edited) sure ironic that vegans are always called annoying and pushy when the first page is exactly the response you get at the mere mention of veganism 23 hours ago, Dephira said: Yes, they should double the VAT on meat products and erase all VAT on vegetables and fruits Also there's nothing more cringy than people bragging about eating meat and burgers when this topic comes up, girl you are seriously not special nor edgy at all that and "plants have feelings too!" they give off the same energy as conservatives with the repetitive jokes and thinking they're triggering everyone Edited February 16, 2023 by K$Ellie
Miss Show Business Posted February 16, 2023 Posted February 16, 2023 Just now, Yum said: Sure, if you have to save one, save a human, but our lives are not at stake so this is irrelevant. I'm not personally going to change it, absolutely. But it is my opinion that eventually the human species will realise how wrong this is and correct their actions. Animals are not here to serve us, or provide a function. They are their own beings living their own lives and they should not be commodified by humans. Like I said, if you're advocating for realistic ways to reduce killing, you're going to get support. This nonsense you're taking about isn't it. It's not realistic, ignores how humans are naturally wired and what our diets have been literally since the beginning of our species, etc. Let me be clear, too, I'm not in disagreement that we should reduce killing if we can. But asking omnivores to just stop eating meat all together, and advocating for extremist solutions such as completely phasing out meat for all humans... This isn't the way to move forward, and you're never going to successfully accomplish your goals here. It's never going to happen. Focus on the things we can control, and let's work together. That's the only realistic way forward.
brazil Posted February 16, 2023 Posted February 16, 2023 Im a meateater and hoenstly dont see that changing in the near future, but it does make some sense. But you should also consider your own privileges, you know how many people would strugle, how many people depend on animal meet and how many people face food deprivation as it is?
Guest Posted February 16, 2023 Posted February 16, 2023 Just now, Miss Show Business said: Like I said, if you're advocating for realistic ways to reduce killing, you're going to get support. This nonsense you're taking about isn't it. It's not realistic, ignores how humans are naturally wired and what our diets have been literally since the beginning of our species, etc. Let me be clear, too, I'm not in disagreement that we should reduce killing if we can. But asking omnivores to just stop eating meat all together, and advocating for extremist solutions such as completely phasing out meat for all humans... This isn't the way to move forward, and you're never going to successfully accomplish your goals here. It's never going to happen. Focus on the things we can control, and let's work together. That's the only realistic way forward. You're misunderstanding my goal. I don't care to be supported, I am doing what's moral. No amount of needless murder is moral no matter how much society has normalised it. I'm not looking to reach a compromise where I support murder mondays then we all eat plants the other six days of the week. Realistic or not I'm going to continue advocating for what's moral. I believe taxing meat products is an excellent step in the right direction which is my answer to the prompt is a firm yes, slay girl slay (but don't slay animals).
Guest Posted February 16, 2023 Posted February 16, 2023 1 minute ago, brazil said: Im a meateater and hoenstly dont see that changing in the near future, but it does make some sense. But you should also consider your own privileges, you know how many people would strugle, how many people depend on animal meet and how many people face food deprivation as it is? If we weren't farming so many plant foods to feed to livestock it'd be a hell of a lot easier for us to farm more plant foods for those who need it. It's a step in the right direction to ending world hunger. To clarify; not a solution to world hunger, merely a step in the right direction.
Armani? Posted February 16, 2023 Posted February 16, 2023 11 minutes ago, Pacify Him said: I am literally studying nutrition for a degree. You might as well be feeding yourself while wearing sterile gloves Unfortunately for you appeal to authority doesnt for me so... I've spent endless days studying nutritional science. It was one of the reasons I went vegan. So you spent all that money for a degree and still eating something that has a established mechanism to oxidize & damage human Colon cells https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16226281/
Guest Posted February 16, 2023 Posted February 16, 2023 Just now, Armani? said: Unfortunately for you appeal to authority doesnt for me so... I've spent endless days studying nutritional science. It was one of the reasons I went vegan. So you spent all that money for a degree and still eating something that has a established mechanism to cause colon cancer at normal amounts https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16226281/ So glad there's a vegan in here with a detailed understanding of nutritional science bc I only know the basics firsthand. Most of my info comes from reading summaries from people who know what they're talking about. You're slaying
TouchinFree Posted February 16, 2023 Posted February 16, 2023 I have 90% possibility of becoming a full time vegan. But I started eating meat regularly only because of the vegan people I've met. Worse than radical feminists and religious nut jobs.
Pacify Him Posted February 16, 2023 Posted February 16, 2023 1 minute ago, Armani? said: Unfortunately for you appeal to authority doesnt for me so... I've spent endless days studying nutritional science. It was one of the reasons I went vegan. So you spent all that money for a degree and still eating something that has a established mechanism to cause colon cancer at normal amounts https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16226281/ lol you spent all those days studying only to be biased? You have no place in the industry. They (doctors and nurses) are not gonna let you get away with that. Time to wake up in the real world, miss
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