Kamil24 Posted February 15, 2023 Posted February 15, 2023 10 minutes ago, Armani? said: Name something inherently in meat that cant be found from another source that humans need You can find it in other products but not in the same quantities or with the same flavour. We have evolved to crave the taste of animal products and fat as we are omnivores... so to me it's understandable that people will go for what tastes better to them. For me personally, I've never had a huge appetite, so I prefer to get my protein from smaller quantities of lean meats - rather than having to eat larger amounts of lentils or black beans to get the same amount of protein.
Armani? Posted February 15, 2023 Posted February 15, 2023 22 minutes ago, Kamil24 said: You can find it in other products but not in the same quantities or with the same flavour. We have evolved to crave the taste of animal products and fat as we are omnivores... so to me it's understandable that people will go for what tastes better to them. For me personally, I've never had a huge appetite, so I prefer to get my protein from smaller quantities of lean meats - rather than having to eat larger amounts of lentils or black beans to get the same amount of protein. So humans dont need meat, thanks for confirming Taste? No one eats or likes raw meat. You season it with herbs & spices Humans do not have protein receptors on their tongue
Guest Posted February 15, 2023 Posted February 15, 2023 1 hour ago, Kamil24 said: No, I don't believe there should be a policies in place. People should be free to be as unhealthy as they want. If someone wants to sacrifice their health for food that tastes good to them, go ahead. Definitely not supporting any policy or mandates for what should or shouldn't be eaten. What I would support is better education in school about what is required in a human diet - though in Canada we already had that, in the end people will still eat how they want. I absolutely agree. I'm very unhealthy. I eat unhealthy foods, I drink alcohol, I smoke, I am destroying myself and that's fine. That's my problem. The problem with meat is you are not the victim of your own consumption, the animals are, which makes it no longer a personal choice under that same umbrella.
gatito Posted February 15, 2023 Posted February 15, 2023 18 hours ago, GraceRandolph said: Haven't we suffered enough? Haven't we tolerated the killing and bloodshed to our own peril? Is it time for meat eating carnists to finally face a minuscule amount of consequence for their actions. Vegans must rise up, we have let the depravity go unchecked for far too long. maybe we should eat y'all instead
Flanders Posted February 15, 2023 Posted February 15, 2023 No but it could be a good idea to make vegetarian products less expensive so that more people would try them out
Chiidish Posted February 15, 2023 Posted February 15, 2023 Honestly as an occasional meat eater I would support it. Especially if the taxes go 100% back towards environmental programs or helping fight food insecurity.
FOCK Posted February 15, 2023 Posted February 15, 2023 (edited) @Yum educating in here. The denial & laundry list of the same old excuses is so predictable, right down to the notion that being “vegan is classist”, “but muh protein” & “plants have feelings too!” And not someone pointing out an anecdote of a “sick Vegan” they know, ignoring the billions upon billions of diseases, strokes, diabetes, cancers, deaths and viral plagues linked to meat & dairy. Edited February 15, 2023 by FOCK
Guest Posted February 15, 2023 Posted February 15, 2023 Just now, FOCK said: @Yum educating in here. The denial & laundry list of the same old excuses is so predictable, right down to “but muh protein” & “plants have feelings too!” And not someone pointing out an anecdote of a “sick Vegan” they know, ignoring the billions upon billions of diseases, strokes, diabetes & death and viral plagues linked to meat. Thank you for the kind words It's been refreshing that there's a good handful of people on this forum who are well educated on this & align their actions with their knowledge. I was very much expecting to be the lone fighter for animals rights to live in this thread
Guest Posted February 15, 2023 Posted February 15, 2023 1 minute ago, Wizard said: naur I like meat and not being anaemic Me when I'm misinformed All of the nutrients in animal products can be consumed from plant foods instead.
FOCK Posted February 15, 2023 Posted February 15, 2023 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Yum said: Thank you for the kind words It's been refreshing that there's a good handful of people on this forum who are well educated on this & align their actions with their knowledge. I was very much expecting to be the lone fighter for animals rights to live in this thread We’re out here sis I’ve mentioned this before, but vegans don’t think they’re “better than everyone else”, we’re vegan precisely because we don’t presume our lives are more worthy than other sentient beings with just as much capacity to feel pain, fear, sadness, stress & abuse. It’s funny how simply advocating for harm reduction gets people so annoyed, particularly weird when those same people tout themselves as “progressives”. Its inevitable anyway. The rate at which we produce and consume meat is not sustainable. We’ll either live long enough to see a change or the Earth will just wipe us out because of our lack of action. Edited February 15, 2023 by FOCK
Specter Posted February 15, 2023 Posted February 15, 2023 @Yum doing God's work in here! I'm not vegan myself, but I want to be down the line. Thing is, the price is genuinely an issue for me since I require a lot of protein for gym purposes. I won't lie, vegan protein powder is available, but in a Global South country like mine it is exorbitantly expensive...but I am trying. I can replace some with Tofu, but the volume goes up massively. I just hope vegan protein powder gets more and more affordable. I have been vegetarian in the past, but this unfortunately has included dairy - and I know all too well how brutal the dairy industry is (let alone meat-eating investigated from say, an eco-feminist lens). Out of curiosity, what is your/other vegan opinions on lab grown meat? Do you think that is something that will be viable in the future, and a way out of our current consumption predicament? Because I honestly think that's an exciting prospect.
Guest Posted February 15, 2023 Posted February 15, 2023 1 minute ago, Phantom said: @Yum doing God's work in here! I'm not vegan myself, but I want to be down the line. Thing is, the price is genuinely an issue for me since I require a lot of protein for gym purposes. I won't lie, vegan protein powder is available, but in a Global South country like mine it is exorbitantly expensive...but I am trying. I can replace some with Tofu, but the volume goes up massively. I just hope vegan protein powder gets more and more affordable. I have been vegetarian in the past, but this unfortunately has included dairy - and I know all too well how brutal the dairy industry is (let alone meat-eating investigated from say, an eco-feminist lens). Thank uu I'm sadly not able to give much advice to you because as I stated in an earlier post I am a very unhealthy individual so I know very little about wanting to build muscle and I live in the UK so I know nothing about how things are for you BUT I'm glad you're w the morality of it and I'd recommend making a post on reddit to see if anyone in a similar situation to you has any advice on how to further reduce harm. 4 minutes ago, Phantom said: Out of curiosity, what is your/other vegan opinions on lab grown meat? Do you think that is something that will be viable in the future, and a way out of our current consumption predicament? Because I honestly think that's an exciting prospect. It depends on how the lab grown meat was produced. The problem with using animals is we are breeding sentient beings, abusing them, then murdering them, stripping them of the life they are entitled to. If some technology can produce meat without ever having to inflict pain upon a sentient being or take away a sentient beings right to life, then I see no moral issue with it. However, personally I wouldn't consume it. Not for moral reasons but just preference, my perspective has shifted and I no longer see animals as food, I see them for what they are, living beings. I'd not want to eat meat in a similar way I wouldn't want to eat a body part of a human. So eating something that is synthesised to be identical to a corpse would disgust me. But again, that's just my own preference, not a moral issue and therefor I'd have no issue with others choosing to eat lab grown meat should they wish to.
Guest Posted February 15, 2023 Posted February 15, 2023 11 minutes ago, FOCK said: It’s funny how simply advocating for harm reduction gets people so annoyed, particularly weird when those same people tout themselves as “progressives”. It's a harsh realisation to clock that something you've been doing your entire life is so horrific. Most people also dislike change, and will try to cling to whatever is familiar. Which leads to most people feeling cognitive dissonance and choosing to block out the new information and convince themselves what's happening is morally justifiable so they don't have to change their lifestyle or accept that their lifestyle conflicts their morality. For some, part of blocking out this information involves lashing out or making fun of those who challenge their stance, hence the "hehe I eat borgor" posts. Regardless, we're moving in the right direction, old people die and more and more young people are happy to embrace change in the name of doing what's right. Even my eight year old niece has gone veggie because she loves animals. I have faith one day, even if it's generations ahead, this cruelty will come to an end.
Guest Posted February 15, 2023 Posted February 15, 2023 19 minutes ago, Wizard said: Non haem iron isn’t absorbed as well so yes you have a higher risk of iron deficiency. Vegans have to eat like double what meat eaters consume Idk much about the specifics because I am not a dietitian but from my understanding consuming more vitamin C increases the amount of iron you absorb. Which brings it back around to you can balance your diet correctly to get all the same nutrients from plants. We do not need to consume any animal products to be healthy. While it doesn't appeal to me personally there are vegan athletes, body builders etc. who are incredibly healthy and push their body to the limits, all plant powered. Eating meat may be convenient, tasty, or preference for any number of reasons, but it's incredibly cruel, strips sentient beings of their basic rights to life and science says it's unnecessary, so back OT: tax it. let this horrific and cruel industry DIE.
CaptainMusic Posted February 15, 2023 Posted February 15, 2023 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Yum said: It's a harsh realisation to clock that something you've been doing your entire life is so horrific. Most people also dislike change, and will try to cling to whatever is familiar. Which leads to most people feeling cognitive dissonance and choosing to block out the new information and convince themselves what's happening is morally justifiable so they don't have to change their lifestyle or accept that their lifestyle conflicts their morality. For some, part of blocking out this information involves lashing out or making fun of those who challenge their stance, hence the "hehe I eat borgor" posts. Regardless, we're moving in the right direction, old people die and more and more young people are happy to embrace change in the name of doing what's right. Even my eight year old niece has gone veggie because she loves animals. I have faith one day, even if it's generations ahead, this cruelty will come to an end. Now excuse me while I have a beef burger. Edited February 15, 2023 by CaptainMusic
Armani? Posted February 15, 2023 Posted February 15, 2023 27 minutes ago, Wizard said: Non haem iron isn’t absorbed as well so yes you have a higher risk of iron deficiency. Vegans have to eat like double what meat eaters consume Heme iron literally oxidizes & damages Human DNA Is it really worth it?
Guest Posted February 15, 2023 Posted February 15, 2023 2 minutes ago, CaptainMusic said: Now excuse me while I have a beef burger. Manifesting you one day grow up
Marla Singer Posted February 15, 2023 Posted February 15, 2023 A kill tax should be applied to all living things, including plants.
Armani? Posted February 15, 2023 Posted February 15, 2023 Just now, Wizard said: I’m aware That’s what vitamins C and E are for It's giving putting blueberries in cigarettes
Communion Posted February 15, 2023 Posted February 15, 2023 22 hours ago, Dephira said: Yes, they should double the VAT on meat products and erase all VAT on vegetables and fruits Also there's nothing more cringy than people bragging about eating meat and burgers when this topic comes up, girl you are seriously not special nor edgy at all This
Guest Posted February 15, 2023 Posted February 15, 2023 18 minutes ago, Marla Singer said: A kill tax should be applied to all living things, including plants. 18 minutes ago, Josh said: plants have feelings too They do not have a brain or a nervous system. And if you are a plant rights activist, you should also be for taxing meat considering the amount of plants that are farmed to feed to the livestock just to produce one serving of animal product, right?... right?
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