Is It Time For Meat Eaters To Pay A Kill Tax?

[aesthetic bih]

13 minutes ago, Yum said:

We simply don't, with a balanced diet we can get the same nutritional value from plants.

 

Source: Doesn't eat animals, is not dead

So you are imposing your own experience to all people, regardless of how they actually feel? 

Edited February 15, 2023 by aesthetic bih

[305]

I just made myself a steak dinner and it was delicious. **** off!

[Guest]

1 minute ago, aesthetic bih said:

If you tax a certain food, it will be harder for someone to buy it. Therefore, restricting their opportunity to eat that food

 

I am aware that the object of tax on the matter is the meat itself. But the effect of that is it will make it less accessible, similar to sin taxes in alcohol, cigarettes, wines, etc.

 

You may need to elucidate on the "nutritionally necessary" part because not all people are nutritionist experts. But in my experience, I feel like **** if I only eat vegetables and fruits, and completely meat-free. 

I'm not a nutrition expert, but the experts are saying any nutrients humans need can be consumed from plants and I fear your anecdotal experience doesn't combat that. If I had to guess it's because you didn't balance your diet. No one is suggesting only vegetables and fruits, there's nuts, beans, etc. which all need to be consumed in balance.

 

Being vegan doesn't make you healthy, but it doesn't make you unhealthy. It is possible to be a healthy non-vegan and a healthy vegan.

 

Eating meat comes down to preference, it's convenient for people who already consume it as part of their balanced diet and it's a taste preference for many, but it's not necessary. Therefor I 100% support it being taxed to make it harder for people to buy. If it pushes them toward a food that doesn't take any lives that's wonderful.

[Guest]

8 minutes ago, aesthetic bih said:

So you are imposing your own experience to all people, regardless of how they actually feel? 

No, I'm stating scientific facts that prove the meat industry is unnecessary and prompting people to think about how the animals feel.

[Guest]

15 minutes ago, khalyan said:

I eat almost primarily free range meat, dairy, and eggs. Protein is very important to a healthy balanced diet and the amount of vegan alternatives needed to get that amount of protein is too excessive. 

The quantities needed might not be as excessive as you think

 

"a 3 ounces of chicken contains 24 grams of protein and 3 ounces of steak contains 22 grams of protein"

 

Lentils: 18 grams per one-cup serving

Black Beans: 15 grams per one-cup serving

[khalyan]

Just now, Yum said:

The quantities needed might not be as excessive as you think

 

"a 3 ounces of chicken contains 24 grams of protein and 3 ounces of steak contains 22 grams of protein"

 

Lentils: 18 grams per one-cup serving

Black Beans: 15 grams per one-cup serving

I don’t eat any red meat, I rely on just chicken, turkey, and fish.  And there is quite a difference between the 24 grams of protein in a 3oz serving of chicken and 18 grams of protein in an 8oz serving of lentils. 
 

I eat 180g of protein a day in aid in muscle building.  That would be 22.5oz of chicken or 80oz of lentils.  That’s quite a difference and one that’s not sustainable long term. 

[Trent W]

45 minutes ago, Yum said:

I'd disagree, sure it doesn't work for some, but the majority?

 

"While recently gaining popularity among celebrities, politicians, and athletes, vegan and vegetarian diets have long been criticized as being nutritionally inadequate and even harmful. Recent efforts in Italy aimed to make feeding children a vegan diet a crime.

But according to AND, the largest group of nutritionists in the U.S., balanced plant-based diets are indeed healthful and may help prevent the development of life-threatening diseases including obesity, diabetes, heart disease, and certain types of cancers."

 

Source

There are lots of people who go vegan and start having huge problems like iron deficiency.

 

My nutritionist literally shot me down when I suggested to go fully vegan last year.

 

I think some can and some don’t. We’re all different.

 

We should all just reduce meat consumption but cutting 100% is dangerous af.

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, Trent W said:

There are lots of people who go vegan and start having huge problems like iron deficiency.

 

My nutritionist literally shot me down when I suggested to go fully vegan last year.

 

I think some can and some don’t. We’re all different.

 

We should all just reduce meat consumption but cutting 100% is dangerous af.

The Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics have stated that a well-planned vegan diet can provide all the necessary nutrients for good health.

Iron can be sourced from legumes, tofu, nuts, seeds, whole grains, etc.

 

Some people have had issues, but this is usually a result of an imbalanced diet.

[khalyan]

9 minutes ago, Trent W said:

There are lots of people who go vegan and start having huge problems like iron deficiency.

 

My nutritionist literally shot me down when I suggested to go fully vegan last year.

 

I think some can and some don’t. We’re all different.

 

We should all just reduce meat consumption but cutting 100% is dangerous af.

I agree.  
 

I have no problem with needed reform when it comes to the care of animals in the food industry.  I also think scaling back some meat intake is fine, I love a good veggie burger and other vegetarian options.  But a proper balanced diet should include some dairy and animal protein if possible and fully eliminating those would be incredibly dangerous.  

[Trent W]

6 minutes ago, khalyan said:

I agree.  
 

I have no problem with needed reform when it comes to the care of animals in the food industry.  I also think scaling back some meat intake is fine, I love a good veggie burger and other vegetarian options.  But a proper balanced diet should include some dairy and animal protein if possible and fully eliminating those would be incredibly dangerous.  

Yes also red meat in excess literally causes cancer and other chronic diseases, it’s necessary to cut it back for your own health.

 

Animals need to be respected and even if we reduce the intake and some have to he sacrificed, it needs to be under extremely different conditions than the current industry has. Right now it’s atrocious the way they live and they are killed for profit.

 

Eating stressed animals is the worst we can do to the ecosystem and our bodies, is poison to both species.

 

If we have to eat some, they have to hace a quality life and peaceful death, no matter how expensive it is.

[aesthetic bih]

1 hour ago, Yum said:

I'm not a nutrition expert, but the experts are saying any nutrients humans need can be consumed from plants and I fear your anecdotal experience doesn't combat that. If I had to guess it's because you didn't balance your diet. No one is suggesting only vegetables and fruits, there's nuts, beans, etc. which all need to be consumed in balance.

 

Being vegan doesn't make you healthy, but it doesn't make you unhealthy. It is possible to be a healthy non-vegan and a healthy vegan.

 

Eating meat comes down to preference, it's convenient for people who already consume it as part of their balanced diet and it's a taste preference for many, but it's not necessary. Therefor I 100% support it being taxed to make it harder for people to buy. If it pushes them toward a food that doesn't take any lives that's wonderful.

Okay I get it, how you can get the nutrients needed from plants instead of meat

 

But the execution is the real issue here, since not all live in the same circumstance

 

For some, vegan alternatives are not as accessible, for example in third world countries like where I am. Even if there is a store for it, their items are way too marked up, and only the "rich" can afford them. 

 

So it's going to be boring easily since there's not much variety in what we would eat if it's all just vegetables, fruits, and beans every day. 

SO, for our case, taxing meat would actually cause more harm since many people here only earn minimum wage and meat products are very accessible and affordable for them than organic vegetable and fruit products, as much as I want people to be able to eat healthily. 

 

Plus, I think to really execute this, people would need to have access to nutritionist, since not all people can just make a switch to their lifestyle just like that, they need an expert's guidance. And again,  nutritionists are only for the rich here. 

[Betty White]

It's time to jail them to be honest

[Armani?]

11 hours ago, Icarus said:

We just need to ensure that all farm animals are kept free-range and are killed as humanely and painlessly as possible 

You cant humanely kill a animal that doesnt want to die

 

We don't have enough land to do all free range animals.

[Armani?]

9 hours ago, Trent W said:

There are lots of people who go vegan and start having huge problems like iron deficiency.

 

My nutritionist literally shot me down when I suggested to go fully vegan last year.

 

I think some can and some don’t. We’re all different.

 

We should all just reduce meat consumption but cutting 100% is dangerous af.

Vegans dont have a higher rate of iron deficiency 

 

That seems to be more of a vegetarian issue

 

Replacing meat with primarily more Dairy & Eggs instead of beans, greens & more whole grains

 

A random day for me on the 8th of this month & it wasnt even one of my most healthy days even though this is probably more healthy than 90% of this forum

 

70% Daily Value coming from 1 cup of Oatmeal & 1 cup of Whole Wheat Spaghetti alone

 

No offense but maybe your nutritionist is misinformed on iron amounts in foods lol

 

[Trent W]

2 hours ago, Armani? said:

Vegans dont have a higher rate of iron deficiency 

 

That seems to be more of a vegetarian issue

 

Replacing meat with primarily more Dairy & Eggs instead of beans, greens & more whole grains

 

A random day for me on the 8th of this month & it wasnt even one of my most healthy days even though this is probably more healthy than 90% of this forum

 

70% Daily Value coming from 1 cup of Oatmeal & 1 cup of Whole Wheat Spaghetti alone

 

No offense but maybe your nutritionist is misinformed on iron amounts in foods lol

 

I mean I’m just following what she said, and she’s the professional not me.

 

This is anecdotal but I’ve also heard about a couple cases that didn’t do well going vegan, maybe their diets weren’t balanced, one of them was decompensated and she felt like **** for a while.

 

I’ve also heard about people who do well with it, they just look much older, but they are fine.

 

I try not to read much about it online, because there are a lot of agendas on both sides of the argument.

[Kamil24]

No, humans need meat. That said, we should be cutting back on the amount of meat we eat, and stick to leaner meats. 

[Pheromosa]

There is no ethical consumption under capitalism so lets just cease to exist instead of eating chicken nuggets 

[Miss Show Business]

I don't think I could roll my eyes far back enough at the condescension of this thread and that often comes from most vegans...

 

Plenty of omnivores will support reducing suffering to animals when it comes to the meat industry, such as increasing funding for lab grown meat research.

 

But **** like this? Good luck finding anyone but other crazed, holier than thou vegans to join you. People who assume the worst in others because of things like this are the worst of the worst kinds of people. 

[GraceRandolph]

20 minutes ago, Kamil24 said:

No, humans need meat. That said, we should be cutting back on the amount of meat we eat, and stick to leaner meats. 

I mean do you have a policy to make this happen? Any suggestions? These vague solutions really don't add anything to the discussion, and most Americans/Westerners have a pretty distorted view of what cutting back on meat actually looks like anyway.

8 minutes ago, Miss Show Business said:

I don't think I could roll my eyes far back enough at the condescension of this thread and that often comes from most vegans...

 

Plenty of omnivores will support reducing suffering to animals when it comes to the meat industry, such as increasing funding for lab grown meat research.

 

But **** like this? Good luck finding anyone but other crazed, holier than thou vegans to join you. People who assume the worst in others because of things like this are the worst of the worst kinds of people. 

I've presented my ideas in polite ways and still gotten tons of backlash from pressed meat eaters sending me gore and animal torture videos. It's not like vegans being nice or mean is the real reason meat eaters get upset when this topic gets brought up...

[UnusualBoy]

I agree on regulate the consume, how the meat is obtained and its processing but tax for eating meat? Girl pls...

[Kamil24]

2 minutes ago, GraceRandolph said:

I mean do you have a policy to make this happen? Any suggestions? These vague solutions really don't add anything to the discussion, and most Americans/Westerners have a pretty distorted view of what cutting back on meat actually looks like anyway.

No, I don't believe there should be a policies in place. People should be free to be as unhealthy as they want. If someone wants to sacrifice their health for food that tastes good to them, go ahead. Definitely not supporting any policy or mandates for what should or shouldn't be eaten. What I would support is better education in school about what is required in a human diet - though in Canada we already had that, in the end people will still eat how they want. 

[GraceRandolph]

1 minute ago, Kamil24 said:

No, I don't believe there should be a policies in place. People should be free to be as unhealthy as they want. If someone wants to sacrifice their health for food that tastes good to them, go ahead. Definitely not supporting any policy or mandates for what should or shouldn't be eaten. What I would support is better education in school about what is required in a human diet - though in Canada we already had that, in the end people will still eat how they want. 

So if someone wanted to eat meat from dogs or cats you'd be fine with that? Or are you only okay with certain animals being eaten?

[JennyWayne]

No. You can't enforce your diet on someone else. Raising taxes on meat won't reduce someones meat consumption if they're not willing to reduce it in the first place.

[Kamil24]

9 minutes ago, GraceRandolph said:

So if someone wanted to eat meat from dogs or cats you'd be fine with that? Or are you only okay with certain animals being eaten?

As a meat eater I am OK with any animal being eaten, including cats and dogs. Pigs are much smarter and I eat that, so why would I be a hypocrite and tell people they can't eat other animals? I would also like to try all types of meat at some point. 

[Armani?]

54 minutes ago, Kamil24 said:

No, humans need meat. That said, we should be cutting back on the amount of meat we eat, and stick to leaner meats. 

Name something inherently in meat that cant be found from another source that humans need