slw84 Posted February 14, 2023 Posted February 14, 2023 38 minutes ago, Ger-55 said: Mess, good 4 her consistency I guess. at least she's charting. It's just a sign of the times. Pink is really a legacy act (and legend)...now
pride4jc1222 Posted February 14, 2023 Posted February 14, 2023 9 minutes ago, Sinister said: challenging #1? predictions for next week has it nearly 200 points behind Flowers...the airplay and sales deficit are too large for this to really be a threat that soon. Miley would literally have to decline in streams significantly and it's the same for Kill Bill
josesuxx Posted February 14, 2023 Posted February 14, 2023 29 minutes ago, UnusualBoy said: Lol. the way it's always a swiftie
Sinister Posted February 14, 2023 Posted February 14, 2023 2 minutes ago, pride4jc1222 said: there's 100 points separating the #3 song from Kill Bill. Boy's would have to make that all up in streams
Lovett Posted February 14, 2023 Posted February 14, 2023 20 hours ago, Hurem said: Cuff It is an actual hit, while Break My Soul was a payola'd #1. The way it free fell once radio dropped it said it all. BMS was pulled from radio. If one of the three required charting metrics is completely removed, obviously the song would plummet.
Green Posted February 14, 2023 Posted February 14, 2023 2 hours ago, pride4jc1222 said: And then it will stay at #3 for a while, unless it gets massive streams
Mr. Loco Posted February 15, 2023 Posted February 15, 2023 20 hours ago, MrLovett said: BMS was pulled from radio. If one of the three required charting metrics is completely removed, obviously the song would plummet. It's sales and streaming where never that big to begin with
pride4jc1222 Posted February 15, 2023 Posted February 15, 2023 17 minutes ago, Mr. Loco said: It's sales and streaming where never that big to begin with The sales and streams were big at the beginning. After all, it debuted at #15 and went to #9 in its 2nd week. It even had a climb to #1. In a way, BMS had an old fashioned pre-Mediabase run in 2022.
Lovett Posted February 15, 2023 Posted February 15, 2023 1 hour ago, Mr. Loco said: It's sales and streaming where never that big to begin with That’s not accurate and also not relevant to what I said.
doonerr Posted February 15, 2023 Posted February 15, 2023 22 hours ago, MrLovett said: BMS was pulled from radio. If one of the three required charting metrics is completely removed, obviously the song would plummet. Why was it pulled?
Lovett Posted February 15, 2023 Posted February 15, 2023 1 hour ago, doonerr said: Why was it pulled? Your guess is as good as ours. Usually labels would pull songs to make room for the next single, if it’s just refusing to budge. But CUFF IT wasn’t released until like a month or two after BMS was pulled.
pride4jc1222 Posted February 15, 2023 Posted February 15, 2023 1 hour ago, doonerr said: Why was it pulled? I don't know, but I wish more songs would get pulled like this once they've run their course. It would keep the charts fresher.
slw84 Posted February 15, 2023 Posted February 15, 2023 Not pulled from radio anyways, kudos to cuff it getting a 2nd and likely a 3rd week in the top 10. If only she released a visual along with the remixes.
slw84 Posted February 15, 2023 Posted February 15, 2023 26 minutes ago, MrLovett said: Your guess is as good as ours. Usually labels would pull songs to make room for the next single, if it’s just refusing to budge. But CUFF IT wasn’t released until like a month or two after BMS was pulled. I doubt many people outside of stans are guessing because it wasn't pulled to begin with. Songs are not pulled 6-7 weeks in their run, especially if a new song isn't replacing it. If it's a hit, the song peaks and takes a normal trajectory (usually after 3-4 months sometimes longer). In this case, the song was pushed as part of a 6 weeks rollout to build the audience impression at peak the week of the album release in which stans would do the rest streaming and buying multiple versions...interestingly the song falls considerably post album week 6 weeks in to the song release. Not 12 or 16 weeks in. No song was pushed to replace it so that can't be used as an excuse. The truth is Cuff it organically rose to become a hit and was aided by fan fueled remix for one more boost (after peaking on radio on a couple of formats). The good thing is that it gets a couple additional weeks in the top 10 and that's a good thing because Cuff deserves it for being a true hit. Without xmas blocking it's path it likely could have passed BMS in weeks in the top 10
MusicLoverDude Posted February 15, 2023 Posted February 15, 2023 What are the odds that Rihanna will have a Super Bomb bowl next week?
pride4jc1222 Posted February 15, 2023 Posted February 15, 2023 10 minutes ago, slw84 said: I doubt many people outside of stans are guessing because it wasn't pulled to begin with. Songs are not pulled 6-7 weeks in their run, especially if a new song isn't replacing it. If it's a hit, the song peaks and takes a normal trajectory (usually after 3-4 months sometimes longer). In this case, the song was pushed as part of a 6 weeks rollout to build the audience impression at peak the week of the album release in which stans would do the rest streaming and buying multiple versions...interestingly the song falls considerably post album week 6 weeks in to the song release. Not 12 or 16 weeks in. No song was pushed to replace it so that can't be used as an excuse. Your timeline is a bit off. BMS's run on Pop was 30-21-17-13-13-11-10-9-8-7-11. It peaked in Week 10 (three weeks after the album release), so Week 11 was when it was starting to get pulled.
Machete Posted February 15, 2023 Posted February 15, 2023 “Pulled from radio” is not a thing and was never a thing. It is a term stans invented a couple years ago as a euphemism for radio dropping a song after the payola runs out. BMS probably had bad callouts, and the consumption units were not good enough for radio to be persuaded into spinning it. So once the Columbia cheques stopped, it was done.
Lovett Posted February 15, 2023 Posted February 15, 2023 47 minutes ago, Machete said: “Pulled from radio” is not a thing and was never a thing. It is a term stans invented a couple years ago as a euphemism for radio dropping a song after the payola runs out. BMS probably had bad callouts, and the consumption units were not good enough for radio to be persuaded into spinning it. So once the Columbia cheques stopped, it was done. Being pulled from radio is absolutely a thing. Songs don't suddenly just start dropping substantial AI across all formats at the exact same time, whilst experiencing a sharp and steady incline for weeks/months prior. There are many songs with bad callouts that continue to perform well on radio and certainly don't suddenly drop millions in AI with each update until it's out completely within a couple of weeks.
Machete Posted February 15, 2023 Posted February 15, 2023 2 minutes ago, MrLovett said: Songs don't suddenly just start dropping substantial AI across all formats at the exact same time, whilst experiencing a sharp and steady incline for weeks/months prior. This didn't happen for BMS though. It peaked on Urban/Rhythmic about a month earlier than it did on Pop. Urban/Rhythmic dropped it because the song never had appeal there and was only being played because it was a Bey comeback. Once they fulfilled the duty of making it #1 on both formats, there was no reason to keep such an unfitting song in high rotation. As for Pop, they just didn't f*ck with it. I assure you Columbia did not decide one day "yeah let's tell radio stations to stop playing this Bey lead single". Mind you at the time of BMS' supposed "pulling" Church Girl scrapped's release was still 2 months away, so they would have been leaving the era with absolutely nothing after a mere 2 weeks of album release. No matter how dumb Parkwood/Bey actions have been this era, they would not be pulling a song off radio a mere 12 weeks into its chart run I encourage you to find me one receipt from Mediabase, All Access or even @USRadioUpdater on Twitter that ever talks about a song being "pulled". All use of that word is confined to stan update accounts coining it after a song receives several negative updates in a row. "It appears x song has been pulled". The only examples I can think of songs being actually pulled is either scrapped singles (such as Church Girl or Nobody Gets Me by SZA) or radio bans (Morgan Wallen, the Dababy remix of Levitating),
Axelios Posted February 16, 2023 Posted February 16, 2023 On 2/14/2023 at 9:43 PM, MrLovett said: BMS was pulled from radio. If one of the three required charting metrics is completely removed, obviously the song would plummet. Songs don't get pulled from radio that's not how it works.
slw84 Posted February 16, 2023 Posted February 16, 2023 56 minutes ago, Axelios said: Songs don't get pulled from radio that's not how it works. I can’t people are really trying to serve historian revisionist about BMS when there’s a current real hit in the top 10 even if aided by a remix it would have had just as many weeks had Xmas songs not clogged up the charts so it’s 2-3 weeks in the top 10 are fine. It deserves bms weeks in the top 10. It should have switched hot 100 peaks.
Hot Volcano Posted February 16, 2023 Posted February 16, 2023 13 hours ago, Machete said: This didn't happen for BMS though. It peaked on Urban/Rhythmic about a month earlier than it did on Pop. Urban/Rhythmic dropped it because the song never had appeal there and was only being played because it was a Bey comeback. Once they fulfilled the duty of making it #1 on both formats, there was no reason to keep such an unfitting song in high rotation. As for Pop, they just didn't f*ck with it. I assure you Columbia did not decide one day "yeah let's tell radio stations to stop playing this Bey lead single". Mind you at the time of BMS' supposed "pulling" Church Girl scrapped's release was still 2 months away, so they would have been leaving the era with absolutely nothing after a mere 2 weeks of album release. No matter how dumb Parkwood/Bey actions have been this era, they would not be pulling a song off radio a mere 12 weeks into its chart run I encourage you to find me one receipt from Mediabase, All Access or even @USRadioUpdater on Twitter that ever talks about a song being "pulled". All use of that word is confined to stan update accounts coining it after a song receives several negative updates in a row. "It appears x song has been pulled". The only examples I can think of songs being actually pulled is either scrapped singles (such as Church Girl or Nobody Gets Me by SZA) or radio bans (Morgan Wallen, the Dababy remix of Levitating), Couldnt have said it better
Lovett Posted February 16, 2023 Posted February 16, 2023 13 hours ago, Machete said: This didn't happen for BMS though. It peaked on Urban/Rhythmic about a month earlier than it did on Pop. Urban/Rhythmic dropped it because the song never had appeal there and was only being played because it was a Bey comeback. Once they fulfilled the duty of making it #1 on both formats, there was no reason to keep such an unfitting song in high rotation. As for Pop, they just didn't f*ck with it. I assure you Columbia did not decide one day "yeah let's tell radio stations to stop playing this Bey lead single". Mind you at the time of BMS' supposed "pulling" Church Girl scrapped's release was still 2 months away, so they would have been leaving the era with absolutely nothing after a mere 2 weeks of album release. No matter how dumb Parkwood/Bey actions have been this era, they would not be pulling a song off radio a mere 12 weeks into its chart run I encourage you to find me one receipt from Mediabase, All Access or even @USRadioUpdater on Twitter that ever talks about a song being "pulled". All use of that word is confined to stan update accounts coining it after a song receives several negative updates in a row. "It appears x song has been pulled". The only examples I can think of songs being actually pulled is either scrapped singles (such as Church Girl or Nobody Gets Me by SZA) or radio bans (Morgan Wallen, the Dababy remix of Levitating), BMS radio peaks: Pop: #7 (Week 10) Urban: #1 (Week 9) Rhythmic: #1 (x3) (Week 8-10) I'm being accused of fabricating history, but you just straight-up lied. POP Run: 30 - 21 - 17 - 13 - 13 - 11 - 10 - 9 - 8 - 7 - 11 - 17 - 27 - 39 URBAN Run: 37 - 23 - 12 - 9 - 7 - 5 - 4 - 4 - 1 - 5 - 8 - 14 - 24 - 28 - 38 RHYTHMIC Run: 31 - 14 - 10 - 8 - 6 - 6 - 2 - 1 - 1 - 1 - 3 - 8 - 14 - 20 - 25 There's a clear difference in the climb of the song to how rapidly it suddenly dropped at the Week 9/10 mark. I don't understand why they pulled it, but pretending that it didn't suddenly just start crashing across all formats simultaneously is misleading.
Axelios Posted February 16, 2023 Posted February 16, 2023 5 minutes ago, MrLovett said: BMS radio peaks: Pop: #7 (Week 10) Urban: #1 (Week 9) Rhythmic: #1 (x3) (Week 8-10) I'm being accused of fabricating history, but you just straight-up lied. POP Run: 30 - 21 - 17 - 13 - 13 - 11 - 10 - 9 - 8 - 7 - 11 - 17 - 27 - 39 URBAN Run: 37 - 23 - 12 - 9 - 7 - 5 - 4 - 4 - 1 - 5 - 8 - 14 - 24 - 28 - 38 RHYTHMIC Run: 31 - 14 - 10 - 8 - 6 - 6 - 2 - 1 - 1 - 1 - 3 - 8 - 14 - 20 - 25 There's a clear difference in the climb of the song to how rapidly it suddenly dropped at the Week 9/10 mark. I don't understand why they pulled it, but pretending that it didn't suddenly just start crashing across all formats simultaneously is misleading. The simple explanation is that it had a big push at the begining as the new Beyonce lead single but then crashed because of bad callouts or other metrics. It's not the first time this kind of things happen.
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