Zoe_ Posted February 12, 2023 Posted February 12, 2023 (edited) For those that follow Chartmasters,I'm not sure how it is possible to add up Frank Sinatra's sales but his predictions are... - 50 million studio albums sold -140 million compilations sold -95 million physical singles sold -26 million digital singles = 310 million+ Records sold Plus 229 million equivalent album units. Frank Sinatra albums and songs sales - ChartMasters Edited February 12, 2023 by Zoe_
Scott Borchetta Posted February 12, 2023 Posted February 12, 2023 not him outselling every woman except madonna
X~MoviePoP Posted February 12, 2023 Posted February 12, 2023 And how in the world could they track something like that from yearssssssssssss ago
Miss Show Business Posted February 12, 2023 Posted February 12, 2023 (edited) PBS quotes Bing Crosby as having sold over 1 billion records. White Christmas alone sold 50 million singles. Crazy to think what these legends numbers could be when they didn't track sales that well back then. Edited February 12, 2023 by Miss Show Business
Miss Show Business Posted February 12, 2023 Posted February 12, 2023 5 minutes ago, X~MoviePoP said: And how in the world could they track something like that from yearssssssssssss ago They had charts then, they weren't as standardized as they are now. There are chart historians who have compiled all of these ages old charts in books, not sure if they have sales figures attached or what the methodology was, but I'm sure labels tracked sales to some degree.
Miss Show Business Posted February 12, 2023 Posted February 12, 2023 (edited) 1 minute ago, Miss Show Business said: Oops. Didn't mean to quote. Trying to edit. Edited February 12, 2023 by Miss Show Business
Both Sides Now Posted February 12, 2023 Posted February 12, 2023 8 minutes ago, X~MoviePoP said: And how in the world could they track something like that from yearssssssssssss ago It’s all completely made up and inflated like most music pre-soundscan How on earth could anyone believe that he could sell that much when he was mostly active in the 1940s/1950s? Back then a Platinum album in the States was extremely rare, let alone reaching those levels outside of America.
trainsskyscrapers Posted February 12, 2023 Posted February 12, 2023 If they can track Sinatra's prehistoric sales, I hope the Motown catalog (early MJ + Jackson 5, The Supremes, Stevie Wonder, etc) is in the pipeline. There is no way that the Supremes for example were neck-and-neck on the BB Charts with The Beatles and no one has done a full account of their sales.
brenda-walsh Posted February 12, 2023 Posted February 12, 2023 33 minutes ago, Miss Show Business said: PBS quotes Bing Crosby as having sold over 1 billion records. White Christmas alone sold 50 million singles. Crazy to think what these legends numbers could be when they didn't track sales that well back then. those numbers are incredibly inflated
byzantium Posted February 12, 2023 Posted February 12, 2023 1 hour ago, Both Sides Now said: It’s all completely made up and inflated like most music pre-soundscan How on earth could anyone believe that he could sell that much when he was mostly active in the 1940s/1950s? Back then a Platinum album in the States was extremely rare, let alone reaching those levels outside of America. You are free to look at the numbers. They lay out all their data and accounting. Frank Sinatra released like 60 albums and has a lot of classics. Its not that surprising that over 80 years of racking up sales and now streams, he could get almost 230 EAS.
Elusive Chanteuse Posted February 12, 2023 Posted February 12, 2023 I mean I believe this one honestly. A true global legend.
Tropez Posted February 12, 2023 Posted February 12, 2023 15 hours ago, Both Sides Now said: It’s all completely made up and inflated like most music pre-soundscan How on earth could anyone believe that he could sell that much when he was mostly active in the 1940s/1950s? Back then a Platinum album in the States was extremely rare, let alone reaching those levels outside of America. What? Frank was huge. He was essentially the first pop star, and called the King of Pop before MJ took over the total. You also have to realize music was cheaper, people had to buy music, and he sold a lot of albums to soldiers going into war. His popularity was high his whole career even in the 90s. The platinum thing you said needs clarification. Gold meant you sold a million copies back then, platinum was over 2 million. Now add in the fact that artists in those days released multiple albums yearly, and tons of singles in a single calandra year. They never took breaks like todays artists. Just constantly releasing music.
Both Sides Now Posted February 12, 2023 Posted February 12, 2023 (edited) 22 minutes ago, Tropez said: What? Frank was huge. He was essentially the first pop star, and called the King of Pop before MJ took over the total. You also have to realize music was cheaper, people had to buy music, and he sold a lot of albums to soldiers going into war. His popularity was high his whole career even in the 90s. The platinum thing you said needs clarification. Gold meant you sold a million copies back then, platinum was over 2 million. Now add in the fact that artists in those days released multiple albums yearly, and tons of singles in a single calandra year. They never took breaks like todays artists. Just constantly releasing music. Baby I’m not saying Frank wasn’t huge. His lasting impact over 100 years later proved how monumental he was. But to say he sold 300 million records is completely unsubstantiated. Take “In The Wee Small Hours” for example. That album was certified Gold for 500k shipments (Yes, 500k not 1M - you can check it on RIAA). For some reason ChartMasters gave him 1.2M in US for that… Ok maybe that could be possible..? There is absolutely no history of any sort of sales tracking outside of the US - so ChartMasters said it sold 1M copies WW. Ok… maybe possible … but again completely unsubstantiated and made up. Then multiply this made up methodology over all of Frank’s records… suddenly we arrive to 300M with a bunch of guesses and “oh he was huge so he had too have sold 1M WW for this record” with no proof. Music was cheaper then but people were poorer. The music industry was not as developed in 1940s/1950s/1960s as it is today - especially in countries outside of US. It’s just farcical to play with these numbers as if they mean anything. Edited February 12, 2023 by Both Sides Now
suburbannature Posted February 12, 2023 Posted February 12, 2023 Yet another example of why this fan site shouldn’t be taken seriously
UnanimousBB16 Posted February 12, 2023 Posted February 12, 2023 (edited) 18 hours ago, trainsskyscrapers said: If they can track Sinatra's prehistoric sales, I hope the Motown catalog (early MJ + Jackson 5, The Supremes, Stevie Wonder, etc) is in the pipeline. There is no way that the Supremes for example were neck-and-neck on the BB Charts with The Beatles and no one has done a full account of their sales. They did Stevie Wonder already. Anyways, Frank isn't shocking. He is one of the few from his era whose non-Xmas music has retained popularity well after its prime. Edited February 12, 2023 by UnanimousBB16
Rev8 Posted February 12, 2023 Posted February 12, 2023 Deffo inflated in some places but he is deffo one of the biggest artists too 3 hours ago, Both Sides Now said: Baby I’m not saying Frank wasn’t huge. His lasting impact over 100 years later proved how monumental he was. But to say he sold 300 million records is completely unsubstantiated. Take “In The Wee Small Hours” for example. That album was certified Gold for 500k shipments (Yes, 500k not 1M - you can check it on RIAA). For some reason ChartMasters gave him 1.2M in US for that… Ok maybe that could be possible..? There is absolutely no history of any sort of sales tracking outside of the US - so ChartMasters said it sold 1M copies WW. Ok… maybe possible … but again completely unsubstantiated and made up. Then multiply this made up methodology over all of Frank’s records… suddenly we arrive to 300M with a bunch of guesses and “oh he was huge so he had too have sold 1M WW for this record” with no proof. Music was cheaper then but people were poorer. The music industry was not as developed in 1940s/1950s/1960s as it is today - especially in countries outside of US. It’s just farcical to play with these numbers as if they mean anything. I agree with the WW part of things There isn't that much information about WW sales (at least especially the countries that aren't as pro-music) 2 decades ago what happens if u try to track WW sales more than half a century ago Chartmasters just showing its cracks again
Icarus Posted February 12, 2023 Posted February 12, 2023 Looks a little different to Britney and GaGa's graphs
LesFleur Posted February 19, 2023 Posted February 19, 2023 On 2/12/2023 at 1:44 AM, trainsskyscrapers said: If they can track Sinatra's prehistoric sales, I hope the Motown catalog (early MJ + Jackson 5, The Supremes, Stevie Wonder, etc) is in the pipeline. There is no way that the Supremes for example were neck-and-neck on the BB Charts with The Beatles and no one has done a full account of their sales. THIS! The Supremes should easily be the best-selling female group of all time, but there's no accounted sales for the Motown 1960s-70s peak years.
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