Axelios Posted February 12, 2023 Posted February 12, 2023 2 minutes ago, Love Again said: Rihanna sits at 250M globally. Mariah sits at 220M globally. Whitney at 200M. You might argue Celine since she’s also sitting at 250M but that still makes Rihanna third 250M what?
Blackout2006 Posted February 12, 2023 Posted February 12, 2023 (edited) 12 hours ago, Rev8 said: Tbh that's the thing too, 1.5k dont actually earn 1 sale when it comes from an artist's perspective (not looking at label cuts and w/e) it's much more complicated than that Like, u can find sites explaining when how and why u earn a certain amount thanks to certain amount of streams..but even that isn't fully correct or correct at all It's different for everyone and tbh every month from what I've heard (and earned myself) so it makes it even more tied up than the label/writer/performer cuts (like, u cant tell me Bad Bunny's 5 year old career - surpassed the whole career of Norah Jones,Alicia Keys,Justin Timberlake,Xtina -without even having 1M album units, which are Bought (album sales,phys/digital singles,LP) but just with streams) that aside, Chartmasters doesn't even have their real numbers. His stuff are just estimates He also chooses what he deems as true sources, which is funny cuz he dismisses a literal artists' team/label-given numbers Fr, and like...On what basis are we particularly considering 1,500 streams as a sale? It's a perception that varies by person. Some people think that 1 stream equals 1 sale, another one may say 700 streams should be equivalent to 1 sale, 10,500 should be worth a sale, etc. 1,500 may sound reasonable to me but not to someone else. They also take YouTube views into account of a sale and that...just does not make sense at all A person's stream counts when they have paid for subscription and a person buying a copy is paying for acquiring it. There is a matter of sale happening. You can watch YouTube for free without paying anything, so that cannot be counted as a sale at all. It just doesn't make sense I really don't see why we have to run so wildly with literal assumptions and there are clearly certain biases. I know someone who works in Sony and even they think that ChartMaster's formula is rubbish. Quote MJD who runs CM was a member of ukmix.org so I know the guy from long back he estimated ITZ at 7.7M by 2009 but then now he says 7M so idk what to say Also, I second you on them not even referring label numbers. For example, RCA states that BOMT sold 27,000,000 copies WW (though I still think BOMT is genuinely above 30m as BOMT's WW figures haven't been updated since 2011) but their site has BOMT at 24 or 25 million which is such a massive understatement They have OIDIA's pure figures at around 19,000,000 when the album sold 16,000,000 copies by 2001 or 2002. I highly doubt that they album immediately stopped selling so little after 2002 because it became diamond-certified in 2005 so again...What? It is common knowledge that OIDIA has sold between 23-25 million copies. This isn't just the case for Britney only, but for many other artists as well. Edited February 12, 2023 by Blackout2006
Axelios Posted February 12, 2023 Posted February 12, 2023 6 minutes ago, Blackout2006 said: Fr, and like...On what basis are we particularly considering 1,500 streams as a sale? It's a perception that varies by person. Some people think that 1 stream equals 1 sale, another one may say 700 streams should be equivalent to 1 sale, 10,500 should be worth a sale, etc. 1,500 may sound reasonable to me but not to someone else. They also take YouTube views into account of a sale and that...just does not make sense at all A person's stream counts when they have paid for subscription and a person buying a copy is paying for acquiring it. There is a matter of sale happening. You can watch YouTube for free without paying anything, so that cannot be counted as a sale at all. It just doesn't make sense I really don't see why we have to run so wildly with literal assumptions and there are clearly certain biases. I know someone who works in Sony and even they think that ChartMaster's formula is rubbish. Also, I second you on them not even referring label numbers. For example, RCA states that BOMT sold 27,000,000 copies WW (though I still think BOMT is genuinely above 30m as BOMT's WW figures haven't been updated since 2011) but their site has BOMT at 24 or 25 million which is such a massive understatement But Billboard and all official charts around the world do the same kind of conversions. And by the same argument one could also say that a 40$ vinyl should not be counted the same way as a 10$ album sale. There's no perfect objective way to compare sales.
Blackout2006 Posted February 12, 2023 Posted February 12, 2023 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Axelios said: But Billboard and all official charts around the world do the same kind of conversions. And by the same argument one could also say that a 40$ vinyl should not be counted the same way as a 10$ album sale. There's no perfect objective way to compare sales. You have a point but there also many other errors with the site's system of figuring sale amounts such as counting a certain amount of YouTube views as sales which I have elaborated upon: Quote A person's stream counts when they have paid for subscription and a person buying a copy is paying for acquiring it. There is a matter of sale happening. You can watch YouTube for free without paying anything, so that cannot be counted as a sale at all. Edited February 12, 2023 by Blackout2006
wastedpotential Posted February 12, 2023 Posted February 12, 2023 4 hours ago, Love Again said: Rihanna sits at 250M globally. Mariah sits at 220M globally. Whitney at 200M. You might argue Celine since she’s also sitting at 250M but that still makes Rihanna third Equating singles sales with album sales makes far less sense than SEA...
Hot Volcano Posted February 12, 2023 Posted February 12, 2023 18 hours ago, Timber said: Beyoncé and Taylor will be invading the legends territory any year now. Also they’ll probably both top Madonna and Celine in touring very soon. Well considering Madonna's tour is having a massive demand and it will for sure gross more than $200m, I dont see it happening that soon.
Taylena Posted February 12, 2023 Posted February 12, 2023 4 hours ago, Love Again said: Rihanna sits at 250M globally. Mariah sits at 220M globally. Whitney at 200M. You might argue Celine since she’s also sitting at 250M but that still makes Rihanna third LOL if you're gonna pretend like Rihanna's single sales are album sales then Taylor is also at 220M sales globally.
ebaby Posted February 12, 2023 Posted February 12, 2023 no surprises here queen of pop remains above the rest
Timber Posted February 12, 2023 Posted February 12, 2023 (edited) 7 hours ago, Hot Volcano said: Well considering Madonna's tour is having a massive demand and it will for sure gross more than $200m, I dont see it happening that soon. How much is Madge ahead by (excluding her new tour)? Edited February 12, 2023 by Timber
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