Materialboy215 Posted February 17, 2023 Posted February 17, 2023 8 minutes ago, lostcause said: Romans crucified Jesus, not “Israel/Jews”. Jesus himself was a Jewish man. Palestine deserves sovereignty, they are living under apartheid! But don’t spread antisemitic historical fallacies, that does nothing for the Palestinian cause. I'm aware that Jesus himself was a Jewish man and I also have read the Bible a lot mainly the book of John which talks about the events and it was the Jewish people who rejected him and called for him to be crucified and they did just that.
lostcause Posted February 17, 2023 Posted February 17, 2023 (edited) On 2/16/2023 at 7:43 PM, Materialboy215 said: I'm aware that Jesus himself was a Jewish man and I also have read the Bible a lot mainly the book of John which talks about the events and it was the Jewish people who rejected him and called for him to be crucified and they did just that. You say “THE Jewish people” as if every single Jew was responsible for his death. He and all his followers were Jewish, are they responsible for his death? Your misreading of the Bible is tantamount to saying “THE Americans killed MLK” or “THE actors killed Lincoln”. Modern translations of John's gospel use the phrase "the Jews" to refer to specific groups of religious leaders in Judea, not to refer to all Jewish people (either the religious or ethnic group). This dangerous framing of “THE Jews” has been denounced by the Catholic Church since the 60’s: “Pope Paul VI issued the Nostra Aetae declaring that Jews, as a people, are not to blame for Jesus' death. The act of doing so is called Jewish Deicide, which has lead to thousands of years of resentment and persecution of the Jewish people.” Words matter, and your implication that the “Jews” are collectively responsible for the death of Jesus is the same exact notion that has been used to justify countless genocides and massacres throughout the millennia. You also very obviously miss the entire point of the book of John, the Bible, and Christianity all together, so I hope you don’t consider yourself a Christian currently. Jesus “Died for our sins.” Technically, every person that has ever lived is to blame for his death. That’s the crux of the entire religion. Edited February 18, 2023 by lostcause
Gui Blackout Posted February 17, 2023 Posted February 17, 2023 13 hours ago, Materialboy215 said: Seeing how they killed Jesus Israel/jews have notoriously been on the wrong side of history far as I'm concerned. Wow
Materialboy215 Posted February 17, 2023 Posted February 17, 2023 (edited) 11 hours ago, lostcause said: You say “THE Jewish people” as if every single Jew was responsible for his death. He and all his followers were Jewish, are they responsible for his death? Your misreading of the Bible is tantamount to saying “THE Americans killed MLK” or “THE actors killed Lincoln”. Modern translations of John's gospel use the phrase "the Jews" to refer to specific groups of religious leaders in Judea, not to refer to all Jewish people (either the religious or ethnic group). This dangerous framing of “THE Jews” has been denunciation by the Catholic Church it’s self since the 60’s: “Pope Paul VI issued the Nostra Aetae declaring that Jews, as a people, are not to blame for Jesus' death. The act of doing so is called Jewish Deicide, which has lead to thousands of years of resentment and persecution of the Jewish people.” Words matter, and your implication that the “Jews” are collectively responsible for the death of Jesus is the same exact notion that has been used to justify countless genocides and massacres throughout the millennia. You also very obviously miss the entire point of the book of John, the Bible, and Christianity all together, so I hope you don’t consider yourself a Christian currently. Jesus “Died for our sins.” Technically, every person that has ever lived is to blame for his death. That’s the crux of the entire religion. I said what I said sis and what I said was 100% correct and if U want to take what I said as literal then thats your problem, I'm only stating the truth. I'm reading the book of John as we speak and it was the jewish leaders of Judea that was plotting his death and carried it out. They didn't like him referring to himself as a "Messiah" and him doing work on the sabbath day which was some of the reasons that they plotted against him but he already knew what was gonna happen and what they were doing. The Jewish people didn't believe in Jesus and they thought he was a fraud. IMO thats Jewish people (who are very powerful bts) trying to rewrite history but when U know the truth U can't rewrite history. 🤷🏾♂️ My people have been enslaved for 400 plus yrs, killed daily, systematic oppression that is still going today etc and nobody cares about us so forgive me if I'm not the most sympathetic. Edited February 17, 2023 by Materialboy215
Rosenda Posted February 17, 2023 Posted February 17, 2023 17 hours ago, Materialboy215 said: Seeing how they killed Jesus Israel/jews have notoriously been on the wrong side of history far as I'm concerned. this is absolutely ban worthy what the ****
ATRL Moderator madonnas Posted February 17, 2023 ATRL Moderator Posted February 17, 2023 2 hours ago, Materialboy215 said: I said what I said sis and what I said was 100% correct and if U want to take what I said as literal then thats your problem, I'm only stating the truth. I'm reading the book of John as we speak and it was the jewish leaders of Judea that was plotting his death and carried it out. They didn't like him referring to himself as a "Messiah" and him doing work on the sabbath day which was some of the reasons that they plotted against him but he already knew what was gonna happen and what they were doing. The Jewish people didn't believe in Jesus and they thought he was a fraud. IMO thats Jewish people (who are very powerful bts) trying to rewrite history but when U know the truth U can't rewrite history. 🤷🏾♂️ My people have been enslaved for 400 plus yrs, killed daily, systematic oppression that is still going today etc and nobody cares about us so forgive me if I'm not the most sympathetic. ZTP violation
Communion Posted February 17, 2023 Posted February 17, 2023 On 2/15/2023 at 5:20 PM, taipei said: There’s nothing to give back LOL. Even the UN has recognized that Israel must allow the right of return for the Palestinian diaspora in order for a 2 state solution to work - something Israel refuses. If Palestinians have a right to return, how is it not being given back?
ProudLBS Posted February 17, 2023 Posted February 17, 2023 (edited) Can’t wait to visit the “apartheid” state again in 2 weeks Edited February 17, 2023 by ProudLBS
taipei Posted February 17, 2023 Posted February 17, 2023 3 hours ago, Communion said: Even the UN has recognized that Israel must allow the right of return for the Palestinian diaspora in order for a 2 state solution to work - something Israel refuses. If Palestinians have a right to return, how is it not being given back? The UN? Seriously? LOL. You’re a joke
SmittenCake Posted February 17, 2023 Posted February 17, 2023 3 hours ago, ProudLBS said: Can’t wait to visit the “apartheid” state again in 2 weeks why? there's so many other countries you can visit.
ProudLBS Posted February 17, 2023 Posted February 17, 2023 2 minutes ago, SmittenCake said: why? there's so many other countries you can visit. my boyfriend is from there
lostcause Posted February 18, 2023 Posted February 18, 2023 10 hours ago, Materialboy215 said: I said what I said sis and what I said was 100% correct and if U want to take what I said as literal then thats your problem, I'm only stating the truth. I'm reading the book of John as we speak and it was the jewish leaders of Judea that was plotting his death and carried it out. They didn't like him referring to himself as a "Messiah" and him doing work on the sabbath day which was some of the reasons that they plotted against him but he already knew what was gonna happen and what they were doing. The Jewish people didn't believe in Jesus and they thought he was a fraud. IMO thats Jewish people (who are very powerful bts) trying to rewrite history but when U know the truth U can't rewrite history. 🤷🏾♂️ My people have been enslaved for 400 plus yrs, killed daily, systematic oppression that is still going today etc and nobody cares about us so forgive me if I'm not the most sympathetic. Oh, you are not very bright, that explains it. I’ll just ignore your embarrassing conspiracy theories for the time being. Let’s focus on you admitting “leaders of Judea” were plotting, yet still conflating that with “The Jewish people”. By your logic, Christians are all Hitler loving nazis. After all, Pope Benedict XVI was a Hitler youth in Nazi Germany. And you STILL don’t understand the entire point your own religion is based around. Not only are you a bigot, you are Very Stupid. OT: free Palestine
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