Sergi91 Posted February 3, 2023 Posted February 3, 2023 (edited) Quote WASHINGTON - The United States has detected what it says is a Chinese surveillance balloon that has been hovering over the northwestern United States, the Pentagon said on Thursday, a discovery that comes days before Secretary of State Antony J. Blinken's visit to Beijing. The Pentagon has chosen, for now, not to shoot down the balloon after a recommendation from senior defense officials that doing so would risk debris hitting people on the ground, according to a senior defense official who was not authorized to speak publicly. Pentagon officials said the balloon traveled from China to the Aleutian Islands near Alaska, and through northwest Canada over the past few days before arriving somewhere over Montana, where it was hovering on Wednesday. It was unclear what China was looking for in Montana, but the state is home to the 341st Missile Wing at Malmstrom Air Force Base, one of three American Air Force bases that operate and maintain intercontinental ballistic missiles. The Pentagon sent F-22 fighter jets to track the balloon Wednesday, leading to flights being temporarily grounded at the Billings airport, the official said, but decided against shooting down the balloon. Update 2: Update 3: Edited February 4, 2023 by Sergi91
Communion Posted February 3, 2023 Posted February 3, 2023 (edited) They're coming to drop pamphlets about how healthcare is free in other countries to help the brainwashed masses finally become informed about their authoritarian regime government that kills 65k citizens a year by denying them healthcare because its own state-corporation owned media censors this basic fact. RISE UP, AMERICANS, THE ONLY THING YOU HAVE TO LOSE IS YOUR CHAINS! #SOSUSA #HELPUSXIJINPING #SENDDRONEBOMBS #LIBERATEAMERICA Edited February 3, 2023 by Communion
byzantium Posted February 3, 2023 Posted February 3, 2023 1 minute ago, Communion said: They're coming to drop pamphlets about how healthcare is free in other countries to help the brainwashed masses finally become informed about their authoritarian regime government that kills 65k citizens a year by denying them healthcare because its own state-corporation owned media censors this basic fact. RISE UP, AMERICANS, THE ONLY THING YOU HAVE TO LOSE IS YOUR CHAINS! #SOSUSA #HELPUSXIJINPING #SENDDRONEBOMBS #LIBERATEAMERICA It’s cute that you think conservatives can read.
qurl Posted February 3, 2023 Posted February 3, 2023 i’m sorry …… how many trillions of dollars are at our military’s disposal … and they can’t figure out how to safely neutralize a hot air balloon ??????
Communion Posted February 3, 2023 Posted February 3, 2023 29 minutes ago, byzantium said: It’s cute that you think conservatives can read. Cuba will send teachers over on a humanitarian mission to help raise American literacy rates after America's dictator and his junta regime are removed from office after a people's uprising. Thank god China has embarked on this mission to spread democracy abroad.
Sergi91 Posted February 3, 2023 Author Posted February 3, 2023 21 minutes ago, magazine said: how do they know it's chinese and a spy? It probably says “made in China”
SmittenCake Posted February 3, 2023 Posted February 3, 2023 21 hours ago, Communion said: Cuba will send teachers over on a humanitarian mission to help raise American literacy rates after America's dictator and his junta regime are removed from office after a people's uprising. Thank god China has embarked on this mission to spread democracy abroad. is china allowed to trade with cuba?
RunUpDoneUp Posted February 4, 2023 Posted February 4, 2023 The way they manufacture consent in real time. Gotta love the media.
Letemtalk Posted February 4, 2023 Posted February 4, 2023 I applaud the Chinese for doing their spying using a method that would appear to have quite a low carbon footprint. The United States has spy planes and other expensive and high emissions methods to spy on almost every country, including their allies. This goes back to the early cold war days with Gary Powers and the U2 spy plane, continuing with the SR-71 Blackbird and now using drones and satellites. The US Armed forces creates more carbon emissions than the entire carbon emissions of many small countries, including Sweden, Norway, Finland and New Zealand. But with all this expense and destruction to the planet, Americans are worried about a balloon?
Tropez Posted February 4, 2023 Posted February 4, 2023 17 minutes ago, Letemtalk said: I applaud the Chinese for doing their spying using a method that would appear to have quite a low carbon footprint. The United States has spy planes and other expensive and high emissions methods to spy on almost every country, including their allies. This goes back to the early cold war days with Gary Powers and the U2 spy plane, continuing with the SR-71 Blackbird and now using drones and satellites. The US Armed forces creates more carbon emissions than the entire carbon emissions of many small countries, including Sweden, Norway, Finland and New Zealand. But with all this expense and destruction to the planet, Americans are worried about a balloon? China already has satellites other spying equipment. Why are you changing the subject anyway? And looking at the graph, the bigger issue here is countries like Morocco. Why do they have such a large carbon footprint for such a small country? Regardless. Both the US and China are imperialist states that need to be simply eradicated.
Letemtalk Posted February 4, 2023 Posted February 4, 2023 3 minutes ago, Tropez said: China already has satellites other spying equipment. Why are you changing the subject anyway? And looking at the graph, the bigger issue here is countries like Morocco. Why do they have such a large carbon footprint for such a small country? Regardless. Both the US and China are imperialist states that need to be simply eradicated. What do you think the subject is and how am I changing it? Spying on other countries is nothing new, so why is this such a big news story and how is this considered more harmful than any other spying? If this balloon replaces a spy satellite, or delays the need for a new satellite, how is that a bad thing? Or is the real story here, the political embarrassment that the US spends trillions on it's armed forces, destroying the environment in the process and can't stop a balloon. Politicians from both major parties will rush to give them billions more to stop the balloons, while saying that government funded healthcare and clean water is unaffordable.
Tropez Posted February 4, 2023 Posted February 4, 2023 27 minutes ago, Letemtalk said: What do you think the subject is and how am I changing it? Spying on other countries is nothing new, so why is this such a big news story and how is this considered more harmful than any other spying? If this balloon replaces a spy satellite, or delays the need for a new satellite, how is that a bad thing? Or is the real story here, the political embarrassment that the US spends trillions on it's armed forces, destroying the environment in the process and can't stop a balloon. Politicians from both major parties will rush to give them billions more to stop the balloons, while saying that government funded healthcare and clean water is unaffordable. The subject is being changed, because this is about a Chinese balloon in the air. It has nothing to do with the environment or emissions. Secondly, if that is the case as you say. China is being just as evil as the US by invading the air space of other countries in Latin America to spy. When much of LA has been neutral to China. As I said before, this a classic imperialism. China should leave Latin America alone.
Letemtalk Posted February 4, 2023 Posted February 4, 2023 2 hours ago, Tropez said: The subject is being changed, because this is about a Chinese balloon in the air. It has nothing to do with the environment or emissions. Secondly, if that is the case as you say. China is being just as evil as the US by invading the air space of other countries in Latin America to spy. When much of LA has been neutral to China. As I said before, this a classic imperialism. China should leave Latin America alone. The original post talks about Montana / Northwest USA, so maybe there are Chinese balloons elsewhere, but this is not what this thread is about. - However they should stay out of the airspace of neutral countries too. The question is, what harm are they doing besides embarrassing the US government? The Balloon appears to be flying at 60,000 feet/18 km above the earth, so no commercial flights up there. Did anyone die? Is anyone being harmed? If not, then this isn't really evil, it's like someone that parks their car on a no parking zone, or drives through a stop sign, because they thought they could get away without being seen on a quiet morning with no traffic around. If you want real evil, try the NRA or countries that sell arms to middle eastern dictators. Or the people that use an incident like this to lobby for increased Military spending when there are genuine needs in areas like healthcare 3 hours ago, Tropez said: And looking at the graph, the bigger issue here is countries like Morocco. Why do they have such a large carbon footprint for such a small country? Morocco has a population of 37 million. CO2 Emissions per Capita 37.29 Qatar 25.65 Kuwait 15.94 Saudi Arabia 15.52 United States 8.28 Norway 7.38 China 1.64 Morocco
TomTom Posted February 4, 2023 Posted February 4, 2023 1 hour ago, FOCK said: I hope they were blasting this
Robert Posted February 4, 2023 Posted February 4, 2023 6 hours ago, Letemtalk said: I applaud the Chinese for doing their spying using a method that would appear to have quite a low carbon footprint. The United States has spy planes and other expensive and high emissions methods to spy on almost every country, including their allies. This goes back to the early cold war days with Gary Powers and the U2 spy plane, continuing with the SR-71 Blackbird and now using drones and satellites. The US Armed forces creates more carbon emissions than the entire carbon emissions of many small countries, including Sweden, Norway, Finland and New Zealand. But with all this expense and destruction to the planet, Americans are worried about a balloon? Are the warplanes they fly over Taiwanese airspace nearly every day (1727 last year) environmentally friendly too? What a weird take
ZIVERT Posted February 4, 2023 Posted February 4, 2023 3 hours ago, FOCK said: I hope they were blasting this This one next #ChineseSpyBalloonPlaylist
Communion Posted February 4, 2023 Posted February 4, 2023 10 hours ago, Tropez said: And looking at the graph, the bigger issue here is countries like Morocco. Why do they have such a large carbon footprint for such a small country? Tell me you don't understand how emissions work without telling me you don't understand how emissions work.
Tropez Posted February 4, 2023 Posted February 4, 2023 4 minutes ago, Communion said: emissions work. Please remain on topic. 6 hours ago, Letemtalk said: The original post talks about Montana / Northwest USA, so maybe there are Chinese balloons elsewhere, but this is not what this thread is about. - However they should stay out of the airspace of neutral countries too. The question is, what harm are they doing besides embarrassing the US government? The Balloon appears to be flying at 60,000 feet/18 km above the earth, so no commercial flights up there. Did anyone die? Is anyone being harmed? If not, then this isn't really evil, it's like someone that parks their car on a no parking zone, or drives through a stop sign, because they thought they could get away without being seen on a quiet morning with no traffic around. If you want real evil, try the NRA or countries that sell arms to middle eastern dictators. Or the people that use an incident like this to lobby for increased Military spending when there are genuine needs in areas like healthcare Morocco has a population of 37 million. CO2 Emissions per Capita 37.29 Qatar 25.65 Kuwait 15.94 Saudi Arabia 15.52 United States 8.28 Norway 7.38 China 1.64 Morocco The balloons were found in Latin America also, which is more inline with this topic than emissions. China also sells arms to rather troubling countries like Myanmmar, Pakistan, etc. Again, I don't even see how weapon trade has anything to do with this topic. In fact, the more you sideline to say the US does this, there's also proof that China does it too. Which again shows that the US and China are forces of evil in this world and need to be removed.
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