news House GOP & Dems condemn 'horrors of socialism' amidst 15M Americans losing Medicaid

[Communion]

 

 

Edited March 19, 2023 by Communion

[Redstreak]

To be fair that’s actually nearly half the house dems saying no which IS progress. Like it wouldn’t have been close to that many no’s before Bernie had run and made a lot of those positions grow in popularity 

[WildAmerican]

the dumbass tweet in the OP, republicans control the house why would they care about denouncing fascism 

[brazaquitos]

This thread seems to imply that people who lived in socialist countries had better health services than in modern US 

[Communion]

12 minutes ago, brazaquitos said:

This thread seems to imply that people who lived in socialist countries had better health services than in modern US 

 

[brazaquitos]

23 minutes ago, Communion said:

 

NOT you using the significant drop in life expectancy caused by the huge homicide rates in US urban areas to argue that healthcare in the Soviet Union was top notch

 

 

[BrokenMachine]

Not Americans calling 'socialism' to basic human rights 

 

Y'all defend to death being against 'socialism' but wouldn't bat an eye to millions of citizens struggling to get by. No wonder the number of homeless people keeps growing but government won't do anything for them and would rather push useless laws like 'don't say gay' and stuff.

[Katy V.!]

I don't know what's more telling... OP pretending that "15m losing medicaid" is worse that literal genocide or that OP would rather support Cuba's slavery healthcare aystem to justify leftist crimes instead of using the very obvious success stories of public healthcare across Europe. 

 

Not surprising, though. 

[ClashAndBurn]

7 hours ago, brazaquitos said:

NOT you using the significant drop in life expectancy caused by the huge homicide rates in US urban areas to argue that healthcare in the Soviet Union was top notch

 

 

The point of comparison was Cuba, whose literacy rate is also far superior to wherever it is you’re from, clearly  

[brazaquitos]

4 hours ago, ClashAndBurn said:

The point of comparison was Cuba, whose literacy rate is also far superior to wherever it is you’re from, clearly  

And how do you know I'm not typing from Cuba though? 

 

Oh wait this can't happen because residents in Cuba have no free access to internet 

Edited February 3, 2023 by brazaquitos

[ClashAndBurn]

 

[brazaquitos]

19 hours ago, ClashAndBurn said:

 

Interesting to see Ukraine's vote isn't it? Apparently the Azov batallion is allowed to glorify neo-nazism and racism if it's used against evil Putin 

[ZIVERT]

1 hour ago, brazaquitos said:

Interesting to see Ukraine's vote isn't it? Apparently the Azov batallion is allowed to glorify neo-nazism and racism if it's used against evil Putin 

No, that user loves to post that graphic without the context of it being that RUSSIA presented this to the UN as a means to justify their invasion of Ukraine. “See look, they’re Nazis!!!” of course Ukraine will reject the Russian claim that it’s a Nazi state. Especially considering the fact that Russia’s literally using a fascist paramilitary force in Ukraine as we speak. Tankies only paint half the picture.

[ClashAndBurn]

1 hour ago, ZIVERT said:

No, that user loves to post that graphic without the context of it being that RUSSIA presented this to the UN as a means to justify their invasion of Ukraine. “See look, they’re Nazis!!!” of course Ukraine will reject the Russian claim that it’s a Nazi state. Especially considering the fact that Russia’s literally using a fascist paramilitary force in Ukraine as we speak. Tankies only paint half the picture.

My posting that had zero to do with Ukraine and more to do with the stupidity of the Republicans’ and Democrats’ bipartisan vote condemning socialist policies. Which I guess that means we’ll have to get rid of our fire departments, retirement programs, and what pathetic garbage healthcare we have, since they’re so “horrific” and deserving of condemnation.

Edited February 4, 2023 by ClashAndBurn

[Communion]

3 hours ago, brazaquitos said:

Interesting to see Ukraine's vote isn't it? Apparently the Azov batallion is allowed to glorify neo-nazism and racism if it's used against evil Putin 

 

1 hour ago, ZIVERT said:

No, that user loves to post that graphic without the context of it being that RUSSIA presented this to the UN as a means to justify their invasion of Ukraine. “See look, they’re Nazis!!!” of course Ukraine will reject the Russian claim that it’s a Nazi state. Especially considering the fact that Russia’s literally using a fascist paramilitary force in Ukraine as we speak. Tankies only paint half the picture.

 

43 minutes ago, ClashAndBurn said:

My posting that had zero to do with Ukraine and more to do with the stupidity of the Republicans’ and Democrats’ bipartisan vote condemning socialist policies. Which I guess that means we’ll have to get rid of our fire departments, retirement programs, and what pathetic garbage healthcare we have, since they’re so “horrific” and deserving of condemnation.

Those resolutions have nothing to do with Russia invading Ukraine in 2022 which is evidenced by the West being the only countries to vote present or nay on condemning the glorification of nazism since like 2012. 

 

The West rejects these resolutions because the resolutions rightfully condemn the "dual genocide" theory that Eastern Europe has perpetuated to suggest that deaths by the USSR in their part of the world somehow exceeds or matches the deaths from the Holocaust, a claim that less than like 20 countries in the entire world co-sign and agree with. They've even propgandized it and shipped the claim outward, convincing places like Canada to celebrate "Black Ribbon Day", that claims "nazism and communism as twin ideologies". 

 

These UN resolutions are hated by Europe and the West because it rightfully condemns destroying statues of Soviet WW2 heroes, which again Europe has done over the last 30 years in their campaign to equate communism with nazism. And it condemns erecting statutes and symbols to nazis. This obviously is at odds with Ukraine forming a cultural identity around literal nazis like Bandera who "saved [them] from thr Soviets" despite that Bandera's worldview is why most Jewish Ukrainians were executed by partisans during WW2 before most German soldiers could even get there to help carry out the plan. It's why places like Lithuania are charging Holocaust survivors with war crimes for fighting as part of the Soviets and the "crime" being killing ih combat Lithuanians who literally fought for the Nazi regime. 

 

No one outside of Europe, even those against communism or who had conflicts with the USSR, agrees with the insane claim of "Communism/USSR = Nazism" because it is widely understood thst nazism is a unique evil that will never be comparable to other events and to make such comparisons is only done so for the purpose of whitewashing the actions of the Nazi regime. 

 

That is what these UN resolutions maps represent. And of course Ukraine doesn't have a nazi problem. The West, particularly Europe, including post-Soviet Russia and Ukraine, has a nazi problem. The Western world didn't defeat nazism; it consumed it and repurposed it.

Edited February 4, 2023 by Communion

[Scars]

On 2/2/2023 at 10:55 PM, brazaquitos said:

NOT you using the significant drop in life expectancy caused by the huge homicide rates in US urban areas to argue that healthcare in the Soviet Union was top notch

What? Homicide makes up a very small % of the overall deaths in the US, americans are literally are at more risk of dying for unintentional injuries than being killed.  

 

The comparison of that screenshot was clearly between Cuba and the US. Americans' life expectancy still is declining, down to 76.1 years in 2021 and COVID-19 deaths contributed to 50% of the decline from 2020 to 2021.

 

The USA did a shitty job handling the pandemic and despite it's efforts through the embargo to jeopardize the vaccine production and distribution in Cuba, the cuban government was succesfully able to control the number of deaths compared to many other countries. The % of COVID-19 cases that resulted in death is much higher in the US than in Cuba.  That's the power of an universal healthcare system with an universal vaccine program trusted by the population and free college education enabling academic research, of course. 

Edited February 4, 2023 by Scars

[If U Seek Amy]

I find vaguely equating life expectancy = better health services misleading. I fully agree we should have free healthcare and it absolutely does help lead to higher life expectancy. But I think we also need to address the likely unlimited other factors that go into this. And let's not ignore the modern US diet, lack of exercise, stress level, and more. These also need to be addressed. Though I do understand this thread is likely an attempt to just try to sell to others why their point of view is better rather than actual good will

[Communion]

21 minutes ago, If U Seek Amy said:

the modern US diet, lack of exercise, stress level

Ah yes, all things that have nothing at all to do with American capitalism, yup, nothing at all, nothing to see here!

[brazaquitos]

6 hours ago, Scars said:

What? Homicide makes up a very small % of the overall deaths in the US, americans are literally are at more risk of dying for unintentional injuries than being killed.  

 

The comparison of that screenshot was clearly between Cuba and the US. Americans' life expectancy still is declining, down to 76.1 years in 2021 and COVID-19 deaths contributed to 50% of the decline from 2020 to 2021.

 

The USA did a shitty job handling the pandemic and despite it's efforts through the embargo to jeopardize the vaccine production and distribution in Cuba, the cuban government was succesfully able to control the number of deaths compared to many other countries. The % of COVID-19 cases that resulted in death is much higher in the US than in Cuba.  That's the power of an universal healthcare system with an universal vaccine program trusted by the population and free college education enabling academic research, of course. 

1 - The thing about homicides is that they disproportionately affect life expectancy since most victims are 18-30 years old. The quality of healthcare services affects mostly people over 70, so even a small amount of homicides can outweigh huge differences in healthcare quality

 

2 - Maybe you should tell cubans that their country is so good, because they didn't get the memo. Cuba is now in the top 3 of countries that send most immigrants to the US. An interesting coincidence is that the other countries in the top 3 are Nicaragua and Venezuela, also socialist dictatorships. What happened to their great healthcare services? 

Edited February 4, 2023 by brazaquitos

[Scars]

3 hours ago, brazaquitos said:

The thing about homicides is that they disproportionately affect life expectancy since most victims are 18-30 years old. The quality of healthcare services affects mostly people over 70, so even a small amount of homicides can outweigh huge differences in healthcare quality

Homicide rates affect the average of life expectancy of the overall american population, but factually to a much smaller degree that you're giving credit, especially when both countries being compared have a very similar low rate of intentional homicides per 100,000 people.

 

Young white american men are still more likely to die from unintentional injuries, suicide and even cancer than homicide, which disproportionately affect more young black american men. Speaking of racial disparities, young black and brown american men are more likely to die from HIV than their white peers, despite it being a completely manageable chronic disease. Antiretroviral medicines aren't free in the US, unless you're part of assistence programs like Medicaid, which takes us back to what is discussed by OP.

Edited February 4, 2023 by Scars