memi stan Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 5 hours ago, biomind101 said: Haven't seen you in the Miley threads lately! Yeah. I’ve been bad about being active on Atrl in general. I am obsessed with flowers though!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
305 Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 Let's go over a list of things Rihanna can't do: -Sing -Dance -Write -Play instruments What she does: -Play with make up -Buy songs and just sing over them Even worse Lil Nas X and his lack of any discernable talent, his success is actually abhorrent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scars Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 (edited) On 1/22/2023 at 9:08 AM, Feanor said: Basically anyone who can't produce or write music, since they never would've made it without other people making the songs for them. Weird take to be posted on a forum focused on mainstream pop music. Literally all pop girls needed the help of other writers and producers for their music make it big in the music industry, be serious. Some of you need to stop acting like modern pop singer-songwriters putting out singles for the Top40 radio format are the second coming of Janis Joplin or Bob Dylan, they're not. What happens is that when some pop singers aren't that good at singing and songwriting happens to be the only skill they're strong at, fans will be easily impressed and hold tighly to that information, but most people do not consider the likes of Taylor Swift and Colbie Caillat to be more talented than vocalists like Celine Dion and Whitney Houston. Edited January 27 by Scars Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cloudy Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 On 1/26/2023 at 4:05 AM, lostcause said: Taylor Swift is definitely the answer. She was lucky to debut in the mid aughts, if you were in middle school at the time, her career makes sense. American youth culture in 2006-2010 would be unrecognizable to kids and teenagers today. A twelve year old white girl in 2007 had more in common with her 1980s counterpart, fitting in was in. In 2023, young people measure social capital by what makes them unique. They celebrate their differences, and publicize what makes them special. In 2006, the opposite was true, peculiarity was ostracized while “normal” was idolized. Taylor swift was a straight, blonde, all American, southern twanged prom queen idol who girls could still imagine being nice to them in the hall. Her weak voice was mimicked with ease. Visually, she was the popular girl to rule every small town, while her songs and interviews evoked the average unremarkable awkward wallflower every tween girl relates to. Small town southern Americana was the fetish of the day. In 2005, a curly headed blonde by the name of Carrie Underwood had already popularized country pop with approachable hit songs about small town heartbreak and scorned young love. Swifts sound and image of was packaged nearly identically. It was an era when women were celebrated for acting much younger than they were, Paris Hilton and her baby voice may just have been the most famous figure on earth in 2006. Paris also bolstered the popularity of “small town white trash americana”, an aesthetic trend whose irony was lost on Taylor’s young demographic. At 17, Swift released an album of songs written with the immaturity of an 11 year old. These songs struck gold with that pre-teen demographic, and the culture at large accepted her infantilized presence as par for the milieu. The video for her first single was pure inoffensive conservative southern kitsch, it could have been filmed in the same town as The Simple Life season 1. Her thick southern twang even resonated with the coastal city kids of the era who wished to emulate the “normal” simplicity of middle class flyover USA. She is undeniably a product of George Bushes America. And just like that president, her accent was completely contrived. Taylor Swift cannot sing, cannot dance, cannot act, and cannot progress beyond the 11th grade musically. She allows a rabid fanbase she has furiously cultivated for almost 20 years to feel ok about their own arrested development. They are ok because their idol hasn’t progressed far beyond middle school either. She made conservative whites feel seen and represented in a world they perceive as increasingly hostile to their supremacy. Her success, despite a complete lack of talent and rampant mediocrity, allows for unremarkable and below average whites to feel justified in their own unwarranted privileges and comforts. In turn, they reward her for rationalizing their own unearned positions. The snake who eats her own tail, Taylor is the tail, her most pugnacious fans are the head. She surpassed Carrie Underwood because Taylor can’t really sing or perform. The entire phenomenon is truly a product of right image for the right time. And now that she’s established, she’s lucky enough to resonate with the most reliable demographic. There will always be mediocre people who want their unexceptional blandness justified. What a read This feels like one of those for the books ATRL posts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LanaDelRey Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 On 1/22/2023 at 2:59 AM, rihannafan said: Is she mediocre, ie can't sing, or just inconsistent? You don't even know what your point is. People bring up demos but it really says something how much better she makes every single one of those songs sound. Rihanna is blessed with an amazing unique vocie and that is the definition of talent. Someone with no talent just doesn't make an album as good as Anti. Are Rihanna stans really still pretending Anti was some grand artistic statement or something? And even if it was, Rihanna had very minimal input into the making of the album so it can't be attributed to her at all. And don't bring up her having writing credits on the album, because I don't trust those at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rihannafan Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 53 minutes ago, LanaDelRey said: Are Rihanna stans really still pretending Anti was some grand artistic statement or something? And even if it was, Rihanna had very minimal input into the making of the album so it can't be attributed to her at all. And don't bring up her having writing credits on the album, because I don't trust those at all. You seem to be forgetting an album includes vocals I'm not responding to these 2010'd drags lol. Rihanna is talented because she'd never release an album as bad as Chemtrails (she's also Lana's favorite popstar so. And not you acting like the Anti acclaim is a Rihanna stan thing. Poor thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suburbannature Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 I love Rih, but she received her record deal for this. I think that says enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALΞX Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 Lana. period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lorelei Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 (edited) 5 hours ago, suburbannature said: I love Rih, but she received her record deal for this. I think that says enough. from 2.21 and onwards Edited January 28 by Lorelei Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mystic Boy Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 Britney Spears Rihanna Selena Will always remain the trinity, no competition Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATRL Moderator MissedTheTrain Posted January 28 ATRL Moderator Share Posted January 28 On 1/26/2023 at 9:07 PM, Great808 said: I love reads like this cause not only are they true af but her senseless stans can do nothing but fume and respond with album numbers because they know absolutely nothing about talent or credibility or music for that matter to defend her with. It also doesn’t help that in fact, lacks real talent. Except this is false (as is the original essay). Taylor is an insanely talented songwriter and it's absolutely delusional to say she "lacks talent". She has gotten acclaim from day one for her pen. She is one of the only Pop girls out there right now who can (and has) made an album entirely written by themselves, without a big name producer on board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATRL Moderator khalyan Posted January 28 ATRL Moderator Share Posted January 28 Taylor is the obvious answer. She has no discernible talent in singing or performing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badgalbriel Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 7 minutes ago, khalyan said: Taylor is the obvious answer. She has no discernible talent in singing or performing. music has lyrics. and she's very good at that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Headlock Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 On 1/25/2023 at 10:05 PM, lostcause said: Taylor Swift is definitely the answer. She was lucky to debut in the mid aughts, if you were in middle school at the time, her career makes sense. American youth culture in 2006-2010 would be unrecognizable to kids and teenagers today. A twelve year old white girl in 2007 had more in common with her 1980s counterpart, fitting in was in. In 2023, young people measure social capital by what makes them unique. They celebrate their differences, and publicize what makes them special. In 2006, the opposite was true, peculiarity was ostracized while “normal” was idolized. Taylor swift was a straight, blonde, all American, southern twanged prom queen idol who girls could still imagine being nice to them in the hall. Her weak voice was mimicked with ease. Visually, she was the popular girl to rule every small town, while her songs and interviews evoked the average unremarkable awkward wallflower every tween girl relates to. Small town southern Americana was the fetish of the day. In 2005, a curly headed blonde by the name of Carrie Underwood had already popularized country pop with approachable hit songs about small town heartbreak and scorned young love. Swifts sound and image of was packaged nearly identically. It was an era when women were celebrated for acting much younger than they were, Paris Hilton and her baby voice may just have been the most famous figure on earth in 2006. Paris also bolstered the popularity of “small town white trash americana”, an aesthetic trend whose irony was lost on Taylor’s young demographic. At 17, Swift released an album of songs written with the immaturity of an 11 year old. These songs struck gold with that pre-teen demographic, and the culture at large accepted her infantilized presence as par for the milieu. The video for her first single was pure inoffensive conservative southern kitsch, it could have been filmed in the same town as The Simple Life season 1. Her thick southern twang even resonated with the coastal city kids of the era who wished to emulate the “normal” simplicity of middle class flyover USA. She is undeniably a product of George Bushes America. And just like that president, her accent was completely contrived. Taylor Swift cannot sing, cannot dance, cannot act, and cannot progress beyond the 11th grade musically. She allows a rabid fanbase she has furiously cultivated for almost 20 years to feel ok about their own arrested development. They are ok because their idol hasn’t progressed far beyond middle school either. She made conservative whites feel seen and represented in a world they perceive as increasingly hostile to their supremacy. Her success, despite a complete lack of talent and rampant mediocrity, allows for unremarkable and below average whites to feel justified in their own unwarranted privileges and comforts. In turn, they reward her for rationalizing their own unearned positions. The snake who eats her own tail, Taylor is the tail, her most pugnacious fans are the head. She surpassed Carrie Underwood because Taylor can’t really sing or perform. The entire phenomenon is truly a product of right image for the right time. And now that she’s established, she’s lucky enough to resonate with the most reliable demographic. There will always be mediocre people who want their unexceptional blandness justified. Speaking on arrested development when you still can't seem to get past Solar Power's absolute misfire Though you still speaking with a superiority complex despite this is a rather impressive display of cognitive dissonance, I'll give you that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATRL Moderator khalyan Posted January 28 ATRL Moderator Share Posted January 28 Just now, Badgalbriel said: music has lyrics. and she's very good at that If you like sexy babies, then yeah I guess you can say that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badgalbriel Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 (edited) 1 minute ago, khalyan said: If you like sexy babies, then yeah I guess you can say that so we're going to pretent one line is enough to discredit an entire discography? it just sounds stupid at this point after all these years, girl.... Edited January 28 by Badgalbriel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Headlock Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 Just now, Badgalbriel said: music has lyrics. and she's very good at that And melodies, and structure, and instrument accompaniment. Lots of things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badgalbriel Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 Just now, Headlock said: And melodies, and structure, and instrument accompaniment. Lots of things. yep, and she has great melodies, structures and play multiple instruments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATRL Moderator khalyan Posted January 28 ATRL Moderator Share Posted January 28 1 minute ago, Badgalbriel said: so we're going to pretent one line is enough to discredit an entire discography? it's just stupid at this point, girl.... Most of Midnights was written with clunky vocabulary and the production is poor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Headlock Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 Just now, Badgalbriel said: yep, and she has great melodies, structures and play multiple instruments. Exactly. But of course the discourse always devolves to cherry picking lyrics, which is always hilarious because if people want to go down that route, oh boy is there a treasure trove to pick from from their faves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tylerbv Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 On 1/25/2023 at 10:05 PM, lostcause said: Taylor Swift is definitely the answer. She was lucky to debut in the mid aughts, if you were in middle school at the time, her career makes sense. American youth culture in 2006-2010 would be unrecognizable to kids and teenagers today. A twelve year old white girl in 2007 had more in common with her 1980s counterpart, fitting in was in. In 2023, young people measure social capital by what makes them unique. They celebrate their differences, and publicize what makes them special. In 2006, the opposite was true, peculiarity was ostracized while “normal” was idolized. Taylor swift was a straight, blonde, all American, southern twanged prom queen idol who girls could still imagine being nice to them in the hall. Her weak voice was mimicked with ease. Visually, she was the popular girl to rule every small town, while her songs and interviews evoked the average unremarkable awkward wallflower every tween girl relates to. Small town southern Americana was the fetish of the day. In 2005, a curly headed blonde by the name of Carrie Underwood had already popularized country pop with approachable hit songs about small town heartbreak and scorned young love. Swifts sound and image of was packaged nearly identically. It was an era when women were celebrated for acting much younger than they were, Paris Hilton and her baby voice may just have been the most famous figure on earth in 2006. Paris also bolstered the popularity of “small town white trash americana”, an aesthetic trend whose irony was lost on Taylor’s young demographic. At 17, Swift released an album of songs written with the immaturity of an 11 year old. These songs struck gold with that pre-teen demographic, and the culture at large accepted her infantilized presence as par for the milieu. The video for her first single was pure inoffensive conservative southern kitsch, it could have been filmed in the same town as The Simple Life season 1. Her thick southern twang even resonated with the coastal city kids of the era who wished to emulate the “normal” simplicity of middle class flyover USA. She is undeniably a product of George Bushes America. And just like that president, her accent was completely contrived. Taylor Swift cannot sing, cannot dance, cannot act, and cannot progress beyond the 11th grade musically. She allows a rabid fanbase she has furiously cultivated for almost 20 years to feel ok about their own arrested development. They are ok because their idol hasn’t progressed far beyond middle school either. She made conservative whites feel seen and represented in a world they perceive as increasingly hostile to their supremacy. Her success, despite a complete lack of talent and rampant mediocrity, allows for unremarkable and below average whites to feel justified in their own unwarranted privileges and comforts. In turn, they reward her for rationalizing their own unearned positions. The snake who eats her own tail, Taylor is the tail, her most pugnacious fans are the head. She surpassed Carrie Underwood because Taylor can’t really sing or perform. The entire phenomenon is truly a product of right image for the right time. And now that she’s established, she’s lucky enough to resonate with the most reliable demographic. There will always be mediocre people who want their unexceptional blandness justified. sig worthy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ButterflyXIII Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 Rihanna Britney Spears Madonna Billie Eilish Olivia Rodrigo Selena Gomez Drake Bad Bunny Eminem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brazil Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 On 1/22/2023 at 5:16 AM, Trash said: Such a humble queen. Tbh a lot of "talent" is mainly a matter of publicity nowadays. Britney was never the one to brag and oversell herself, but you have people like Gaga who will continuously explore her random acting techniques in interviews or Taylor who labeled herself as the greatest songwriter in the 21st century with diary entries Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScorpiosGroove Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 8 hours ago, ALΞX said: Lana. period. last time i checked being a stellar songwriter and having a unique voice are talents Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brazil Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 OBHs saying Britney when she only got a career by winning TALENT competitions If anything she's the MPG that relied most on her talent to launch and establish her career. Most others had privileges such as wealth, family connections or protegès Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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