More Influential: Beyoncé vs. Lady Gaga

[Ophelia]

some random ass GP members cosplaying as beyonce vs this

[Daddy]

Both equal just in different aspects. Beyoncé is often the standard when it comes to a modern recording mega artist. Her influence on the marketing and distribution part of the industry is insane. 

 

Gaga on the other side pushed her peers to think more outside of the box and give story and outrageous looks. She raised an entire new hugely successful generation of artists but there's also a reason why Bey is called "your faves fave"!

 

It's tough, I can't decide. They both are in my life since their debuts in the 90s and 2000s.

[Somnambulist]

1 hour ago, swissman said:

Beyoncé through Destiny's Child nearly single-handedly popularized rap-singing in pop, bridging the gap between pop music and rap in a way mainstream way that had not meaningfully been done before. You can literally plot the impact the staccato-style of #1 hit Bills, Bills, Bills had on pop, through Jennifer Lopez whose first single was standard R&B-flavoured-pop in If You Had My Love through to her second-release's lead single (released a year and a half after Bills Bills Bills) where she suddenly took on that way of singing in the chorus. This style has now become so mainstream it's was used by Britney, Rihanna, etc. etc. and is still used to this day, and has evolved through the impact of Drake.

 

 

 

I’m not here to deny Beyoncé as being influential (honestly these threads are kinda boring to me because they’re both influential for different things) but doesn’t TLC fit this better than destiny’s child? 

[HEATED]

1 hour ago, Lemon said:

Whoever is more listened to is more ifluential. 

So Beyoncé? 
 

OT: Beyoncé influenced GaGa to become a singer. End discussion

[HEATED]

45 minutes ago, Ophelia said:

some random ass GP members cosplaying as beyonce vs this

Madonna and Beyoncé influenced Gaga let’s be serious  

[swissman]

11 minutes ago, Somnambulist said:

I’m not here to deny Beyoncé as being influential (honestly these threads are kinda boring to me because they’re both influential for different things) but doesn’t TLC fit this better than destiny’s child? 

I wouldn't say so, as their style wasn't so much a bridge between rapping and singing, but that they featured both rapping and singing within single song. They surely were an early popular act that blended the musical styles, but it wasn't so much as a combination that created its own approach as it was a pairing of two styles.

 

Desitny's Child's rap singing was neither purely rapping, nor purely singing. Beyoncé's delivery of lines such as: "But you're steady headin' to the mall / Goin' on shopping sprees / Perpetrating to your friends like you be ballin'" fits a great many syllables into just a few lines while retaining melody and rhythm.

 

Bone Thugs-N-Harmony are ones we should cite if we want to give references ahead of Destiny's Child in the genre of fast-paced, rap-singing. I'm sure Beyoncé and the girls were aware fo them, as they had a handful of Top 20 hits (including a #1) before Bills, Bills, Bills, but as Destiny's Child was billed more as a pop group than they were, their influence trickled out farther and permeated pop in ways that Bone Thugs-N-Harmony did not.

 

 

Edited January 21, 2023 by swissman

[Somnambulist]

4 minutes ago, swissman said:

I wouldn't say so, as their style wasn't so much a bridge between rapping and singing, but that they featured both rapping and singing within single song. They surely were an early popular act that blended the musical styles, but it wasn't so much as a combination that created its own approach as it was a pairing of two styles.

 

Desitny's Child's rap singing was neither purely rapping, nor purely singing. Beyoncé's delivery of lines such as: "But you're steady headin' to the mall / Goin' on shopping sprees / Perpetrating to your friends like you be ballin'" fits a great many syllables into just a few lines while retaining melody and rhythm.

 

Bone Thugs-N-Harmony are ones we should cite if we want to give references ahead of Destiny's Child in the genre of fast-paced, rap-singing. I'm sure Beyoncé and the girls were aware fo them, as they had a handful of Top 20 hits (including a #1) before Bills, Bills, Bills, but as Destiny's Child was billed more as a pop group than they were, their influence trickled out farther and permeated pop in ways that Bone Thugs-N-Harmony did not.

 

 

 

Are songs like this not what you’re talking about? 

[swissman]

1 hour ago, Ophelia said:

some random ass GP members cosplaying as beyonce vs this

This graphic, as it pertains to Rihanna and Beyoncé is misinformed.

 

It conveniently leaves out the fashion choices they made in 2008 before Just Dance was even a Top 40 hit. Both Rihanna and Beyoncé were wearing Gareth Pugh (a designer many would say is very "Gaga") before Gaga. The last photo of Beyoncé in that set is her wearing Gareth Pugh in 2011. She first wore his clothing in Novemeber of 2008 on stage at the EMAs.

Similarly, Beyoncé was pulling vintage Mugler before her IASF era even started, having got the idea from his exhibit at the Met Gala in May 2008. This was just a few months after Gaga's debut album came out, and I think it's unlikely that the fashion she was wearing as an artist pretty off the radar at that point would have been the source of inspiration.

 

 

Edited January 21, 2023 by swissman

[King_Lonnie]

White gays are truly delusional  Gaga will never come close to Beyoncé, no one after Beyoncé comes close to her. 

[swissman]

11 minutes ago, Somnambulist said:

 

Are songs like this not what you’re talking about? 

Yes, sort of. It's a little less like the forceful staccato singing that Destiny's Child was known for and that I was mentioning they popularized, but it is close. There are a lot of R&B/pop tracks from this era that were flirting with this style, obviously DC wasn't in a vacuum... Mariah released a remix featuring Bone Thugs-N-Harmony in 1998 for Breakdown that also flirted with the style, but imo it was DC's #1 hit with Bills, Bills, Bills and their subsequent successful singles that actually ushered in the wave of rap-singing and established it as viable way to get hits and approach singing on a pop song, which is why I cited the switch in vocal style between J.Lo's first and second album lead singles, with Bills' success coming up in between.

 

And this has been documented before, such as "How Destiny's Child Changed R&B Forever".

 

For example:

 

The No, No, No remix which came out in 1998 and reached #3 on the Hot 100.

 

 

or Bug-A-Boo after Bills, Bills, Bills

 

 

 

 

Edited January 21, 2023 by swissman

[sunbathinganimal]

I thought we agreed to leave Bey VS Gaga threads in 2022

[Jjang]

Bey.

[popjunkie]

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Influence on other artistsEdit

Various recording artists and celebrities have cited Beyoncé as their influence. Lady Gaga explained how Beyoncé gave her the determination to become a musician, recalling seeing her in a Destiny's Child music video and saying: "Oh, she's a star. I want that."^[428] Rihanna was similarly inspired to start her singing career after watching Beyoncé, telling etalk that after Beyoncé released Dangerously In Love (2003), "I was like 'wow, I want to be just like that.' She's huge and just an inspiration."^[429] Lizzo was also first inspired by Beyoncé to start singing after watching her perform at a Destiny's Child concert.^[430] Lizzo also taught herself to sing by copying Beyoncé's B'Day (2006).^[431] Similarly, Ariana Grande said she learned to sing by mimicking Beyoncé.^[432] Adele cited Beyoncé as her inspiration and favorite artist, telling Vogue: "She's been a huge and constant part of my life as an artist since I was about ten or eleven ... I think she's really inspiring. She's beautiful. She's ridiculously talented, and she is one of the kindest people I've ever met ... She makes me want to do things with my life."^[433]Both Paul McCartney and Garth Brooks said they watch Beyoncé's performances to get inspiration for their own shows, with Brooks saying that when watching one of her performances, "take out your notebook and take notes. No matter how long you've been on the stage – take notes on that one."^[434][435]Other artists to cite influence from Beyoncé include Britney Spears,^[436][437] Little Mix,^[438] Sam Smith,^[439] Nicki Minaj,^[440] Cardi B,^[441] Anitta,^[442] Ava Max,^[443] Tini Stoessel,^[444] Christina Aguilera,^[445]  Dami Im^[446] Azealia Banks,^[447] Doja Cat,^[448] Kendrick Lamar,^[449] Kesha,^[450] Megan Thee Stallion,^[451]Normani,^[452] Camila Cabello,^[453] Dua Lipa,^[454]Jazmine Sullivan,^[455] Rosalía,^[456] SZA,^[457] Tinashe,^[458] Zara Larsson,^[459] Addison Rae,^[460] Alexandra Burke,^[461] Alexis Jordan,^[462] Amber Riley,^[463] Bebe Rexha,^[464] Brandy,^[465] Bridgit Mendler,^[466] Chris Martin,^[467] Ciara,^[468] Demi Lovato,^[469] Ellie Goulding,^[470] Faith Hill,^[471] Fergie,^[472] Gal Gadot,^[473] Grimes,^[474] Gwyneth Paltrow,^[475] Haim,^[476]Harry Styles,^[477] Hayley Williams,^[478] J Balvin,^[479]Jess Glynne,^[480] Jessie J,^[481] Jessie Ware,^[482][483]JoJo,^[484] Kelly Rowland,^[485] Kim Petras,^[486] Leona Lewis,^[487] Meghan Trainor,^[488] Miley Cyrus,^[489]Miranda Lambert,^[490] Nicole Scherzinger,^[491] One Direction,^[492] Rina Sawayama,^[493] Rita Ora,^[494]Rosalía,^[495] Selena Gomez,^[496] Stormzy,^[497] Sevyn Streeter,^[498] Tori Kelly,^[499] Whitney Houston,^[500]and Zendaya.^[501]

Like please be fr. 

[Somnambulist]

14 minutes ago, swissman said:

Yes, sort of. It's a little less like the forceful staccato singing that Destiny's Child was known for and that I was mentioning they popularized, but it is close. There are a lot of R&B/pop tracks from this era that were flirting with this style, obviously DC wasn't in a vacuum... Mariah released a remix featuring Bone Thugs-N-Harmony in 1998 for Breakdown that also flirted with the style, but imo it was DC's #1 hit with Bills, Bills, Bills and their subsequent successful singles that actually ushered in the wave of rap-singing and established it as viable way to get hits and approach singing on a pop song, which is why I cited the switch in vocal style between J.Lo's first and second album lead singles, with Bills' success coming up in between.

 

And this has been documented before, such as "How Destiny's Child Changed R&B Forever".

 

For example:

 

The No, No, No remix which came out in 1998 and reached #3 on the Hot 100.

 

 

or Bug-A-Boo after Bills, Bills, Bills

 

 

 

 

I can sorta hear it, I think it’s harder to credit people like DC when Janet was singing over hip hop beats in Rhythm Nation and stuff but I do think I know what you mean. Obviously DC had influence just making sure I know what you mean. 

[swissman]

5 minutes ago, Somnambulist said:

I can sorta hear it, I think it’s harder to credit people like DC when Janet was singing over hip hop beats in Rhythm Nation and stuff but I do think I know what you mean. Obviously DC had influence just making sure I know what you mean. 

Well I agree Janet does not get her credits for a great many things, though I wouldn't consider singing over a hip-hop beat to necessarily mean you're half-rapping. It's a specific style in itself that is not just about the tempo of the delivered lyrics (because there are tons of fast-sung songs out there) but the syncopation and the way DC/Bey "rides the beats".

 

Few people can honestly be credited with pioneering any one style though, as it's always going to be involving and evolved from others. The only example of that I can think of is actually Janet Jackson's use of New Jack Swing which was basically invented between Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis and herself and then became just about the hottest musical style for like a half-decade.

 

I think where DC comes into this rap-sung popularization is that while others may have been doing something similar, they came in with something with their/Beyoncé's own take (her approach specially) that was then proven to be commercially successful and then almost immediately imitated.

 

 

Edited January 21, 2023 by swissman

[BGKC]

Bey is literally performing for a bunch of “influencers” and other high profile celebrities and businessmen/women for $23M as we speak. It’s supposed to be the “most ultra-luxury experiential resort in the world” and they chose Beyoncé to represent that. Whether or not us commoners and fans find it insufferable is another story, but she’s just capitalizing on a crowd worth billions just because she can. She’s royalty among A listers (hence the way people go on about her being “overrated” in relation to the way she’s “worshipped”). Gaga is more influential and shaped the way pop music was delivered on a grand scale. There was a major shift in fashion shortly after she debuted. She started a cultural reset. But it’s not to say Bey had her own influence in pop music with DC/Solo debut. She was a major influence when it came to contemporary R&B being introduced to Pop. Between her DC hits and the Dangerously In Live singles, pop radio had a major shift. Pop artists were then forced to rebrand themselves by their labels to be more “urban” … only difference is that Bey didn’t do it alone the way Gaga did when she popped up out of no where towards the end of that same decade. Bey gets the edge now because she just kept innovating and pushed the envelope in ways that changed the way people released and experienced music. She didn’t need radio/hit singles anymore. Gaga tried to, but it was a sloppy miss on many occasions until ASIB ultimately reshaped the way people perceived her. 

Edited January 21, 2023 by BGKC

[Somnambulist]

6 minutes ago, swissman said:

Well I agree Janet does not get her credits for a great many things, though I wouldn't consider singing over a hip-hop beat to necessarily mean you're half-rapping. It's a specific style in itself that is not just about the tempo of the delivered lyrics (because there are tons of fast-sung songs out there) but the syncopation and the way DC/Bey "rides the beats".

 

Few people can honestly be credited with pioneering any one style though, as it's always going to be involving and evolved from others. The only example of that I can think of is actually Janet Jackson's use of New Jack Swing which was basically invented between Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis and herself and then became just about the hottest musical style for like a half-decade.

 

I think where DC comes into this rap-sung popularization is that while others may have been doing something similar, they came in with something with their/Beyoncé's own take (her approach specially) that was then proven to be commercially successful and then almost immediately imitated.

 

 

All of this just makes me want to listen to Janet lol

 

Her 93 album Janet was so ahead of its time it’s not even funny. That’s the way love goes and If still sound fresh today. Her run from Rhythm Nation to Damita Jo was incredible. 

[Negev]

14 minutes ago, BGKC said:

Bey is literally performing for a bunch of “influencers” and other high profile celebrities and businessmen/women for $23M as we speak. It’s supposed to be the “most ultra-luxury experiential resort in the world” and they chose Beyoncé to represent that. Whether or not us commoners and fans find it insufferable is another story, but she’s just capitalizing on a crowd worth billions just because she can. She’s royalty among A listers (hence the way people go on about her being “overrated” in relation to the way she’s “worshipped”). Gaga is more influential and shaped the way pop music was delivered on a grand scale. There was a major shift in fashion shortly after she debuted. She started a cultural reset. But it’s not to say Bey had her own influence in pop music with DC/Solo debut. She was a major influence when it came to contemporary R&B being introduced to Pop. Between her later DC hits and the Dangerously In Live singles, pop radio had a major shift. Pop artists were then forced to rebrand themselves by their labels to be more “urban” only difference is that Bey didn’t do it alone the way Gaga did towards the end of that same decade.

Love this post. Truthfully both women had influenced culture and music at different points in time. It's subjective and complex because both women had a lasting impact which is why they're still able to sell world tours and albums. 

 

This fanbase rivalry is strange because both ladies expressed admiration for one another and had collaborated twice before. 

[period sis]

Bey. She invented GaGa!

[Lemon]

1 hour ago, HEATED said:

So Beyoncé? 
 

OT: Beyoncé influenced GaGa to become a singer. End discussion

Sure, if her output is more consumed, then she is. Influencing people as a musician means ( at least to me ) that people listen to your music. 

 

I definitely have my own preferences between these two and I am more inclined towards Bey’s ( slightly more ), but that’s irrelevant, so my original comment was just what I would use to determine answer to this question. 

[BGKC]

18 minutes ago, swissman said:

Well I agree Janet does not get her credits for a great many things, though I wouldn't consider singing over a hip-hop beat to necessarily mean you're half-rapping. It's a specific style in itself that is not just about the tempo of the delivered lyrics (because there are tons of fast-sung songs out there) but the syncopation and the way DC/Bey "rides the beats".

 

Few people can honestly be credited with pioneering any one style though, as it's always going to be involving and evolved from others. The only example of that I can think of is actually Janet Jackson's use of New Jack Swing which was basically invented between Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis and herself and then became just about the hottest musical style for like a half-decade.

 

I think where DC comes into this rap-sung popularization is that while others may have been doing something similar, they came in with something with their/Beyoncé's own take (her approach specially) that was then proven to be commercially successful and then almost immediately imitated.

 

 

Yes you’ve made several points regarding this. I’d just say Bey

was among quite a few that slowly reshaped the playing field in pop music. She just so happened to be the greatest, most iconic success to come out of that movement. But to give credit where it’s due, Gaga wasn’t a part of a movement. She started a new movement. That’s the only thing I’d put above Bey, but Gaga ultimately fumbled by the third album and was becoming too gimmicky (poor choices were also made). And then Beyoncé changed the game by the end of that same year. Gaga had to drop the “FAME” schtick and find a way to regain respect through other endeavors (ASIB, Cheek to Cheek, etc)

[Cheers]

Peak: Gaga

Now: Beyonce

[byzantium]

I say this as someone who is only a casual fan of both.  Lady Gaga’s The Fame Monster was the most influential single era in the 21st century of pop music.  
 

Obviously Beyoncé is more influential now, but both are a decade from their peak influence. 

[Steve Johnson]

 

[BGKC]

14 minutes ago, Negev said:

Love this post. Truthfully both women had influenced culture and music at different points in time. It's subjective and complex because both women had a lasting impact which is why they're still able to sell world tours and albums. 

 

This fanbase rivalry is strange because both ladies expressed admiration for one another and had collaborated twice before. 

Yea the rivalry is so disheartening and unfounded. I think it all started when Gaga won that Oscar after Bey outstreamed and outsold for most of the last decade tho. Both of these ladies are winning while their fans are just acting like losers.