Should overseas girl be using American slang or more specifically AAVE?

[Literature]

7 minutes ago, Devin said:

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white people do not talk like that , therefore it is associated with the Black community which is why its called AAVE.

Obviously languages and dialects arise from certain populations, but it isn’t their “property”. That’s just ridiculous. As if the whole of civilized human history isn’t the exchange of ideas, goods, and culture. 

[swissman]

People don't seem to have much empathy and instead have entitlement.

[liquiddiamonds]

Hmm some of you clearly never learned a second language. If you don’t go to a language school, you learn how it’s written and spoken on media, which means that a huge percentage of people who employ AAVE usage doesn’t even know what it is. They reproduce what they read, hear and watch on screens. They are a reflection of that instead of language students, which also explains the misleading usages and, more seriously, the complete lack of knowledge surrounding the cultural and historical connotations of words, such as slurs. It’s completely different from native speakers appropriating it past years of prejudice, just because hip hop culture and black pop culture are at an all-time high in terms of reach. They’re way more culturally aware of the racial context regarding language (at least they should). 

 

English Schools overseas should have a couple of classes dedicated to linguistics and teach us the concept of AAVE, just like they take proper care to teach us differences between american and british english, so we don’t fail at proficiency exams that cater to one or the other. But that’s not happening anytime soon, especially since AAVE still faces a lot of resistance as formal expression by (white) natives that don’t speak it. I’m not an anglo-native and only know about AAVE because I always take linguistic classes on the languages that I want to learn to avoid errors and create cultural discomfort/offenses from my ignorance, e.g. how such language was built and what words truly connote, their controversial origins, etc

Edited January 14, 2023 by liquiddiamonds

[swissman]

16 minutes ago, Literature said:

Obviously languages and dialects arise from certain populations, but it isn’t their “property”. That’s just ridiculous. As if the whole of civilized human history isn’t the exchange of ideas, goods, and culture. 

We don't need to define something as "property" in order for it to have respect, and in general looking at things in such a way is not a very helpful method to discuss the implications of cultural "exchanges", considering many cultures do not have the same capitalistic mindset of the traditional western/European world and thus you would be placing one way of honouring and respecting something of another ("rights of property") to another (tradition).

 

You're also prioritizing history as a means of what we should do in the now, but subjugating certain cultures' histories (like language) in the process and forgetting the actual history behind many (if not most) of these exchanges. War, colonization, forced assimilation, etc. are all huge aspects for how ideas, goods and culture were "exchanged". And here, there really isn't an exchange. White people may overuse AAVE to the point that it sounds generic and uncultured, and what are people who grew up using AAVE getting in return? Respect? Notoriety? Appreciation for something that's part of their cultural history? Not at all, I don't think.

 

Edited January 14, 2023 by swissman

[littlebodybigheart]

they’re gonna boo you for this one but you ain’t lying

[Tropez]

It’s funny when it’s used incorrectly. 

[Armani?]

4 minutes ago, InventedGays said:

Seeing how the west has actively pushed their culture onto other countries I don’t think there should be much debate on which parts of that culture the rest of the world uses 

African American culture isnt synonymous with American imperialism

[BlondGuts]

Idk but Blackpink’s LaLisa “LaLingo” Manoban found somewhere shaking

[argos]

Why would they? It’s literally speaking a language wrong.

[Luckitty]

i think a lot of people learned english from stan twitter and/or forums like atrl, that's why they use these words

 

(i know these aren't "stan twitter slangs" but they're commonly used in stan twitter)

[cockatoo]

2 hours ago, Starshine said:

I've seen many of the European girls use "y'all" often on Twitter and I cannot imagine how goofy that would sound.

As a Brit I tried saying it out loud once absent mindedly and instantly regretted it 

 

OT: It's very cringe. I don't know why I'd use american slang when we have our own slang and dialect which makes more sense in our context.

 

 

[Gov Hooka]

What’s goofy is that trivial conversations about usage of AAVE and wearing cornrows dominate the discourse when 2022 was the deadliest year of police murder… Fraction of attention devoted to the SYSTEMS of racism/oppression but instead let’s just police language to feel morally superior because that’s apparently what matters. 

[Robert]

Most people don’t really think of it as AAVE though but rather just language they hear online or in popular culture. It’s not really something you can realistically gate-keep nor is there any benefit. Also this language is widely restricted to online spaces for most people in overseas countries from my experience.

[Material Girl]

i think people should type how they talk in real life

[Iridesence]

3 hours ago, Devin said:

The wild part is YT gays dragging Black artists and things related to the culture. Meanwhile most (if not all) gay slang originates from our Black moms, aunts, grandmas, etc.

This, there are a lot racists on this forum that use AAVE religiously. Black popgirls/R&B girls get targeted hate on here for not doing as well commercially when artists like Ava Max and Zara Larsson would never get the same ruthless treatment on this forum. See this forums obsession with tearing down Normani and a lot of members targeted hate towards Chloë and Tinashe, all girls who this forum probably wouldn’t care about making threads on if they were white.

[imabadkid]

i mean tbh everyone on the internet uses AAVE so it is what it is atp

Edited January 14, 2023 by imabadkid

[Iridesence]

3 hours ago, Devin said:

chile

tea

period

sus

shook

pressed

woke

sis

+more

 

white people do not talk like that , therefore it is associated with the Black community which is why its called AAVE.

Look I hate to be that person, but ‘sus’ has also been used as a regular part of Australian slang for years as well.

[Mikeymoonshine]

I've used sis and y'all before when I've been joking around in stan communities but I didn't know those words were AAVE at the time and I was not being serious. If anything the fact that I'd never use them irl was why it was funny to me. 

 

I apologise for my ignorant appropriation though I never intended to mock african americans in any way. Honestly didn't know they were AAVE until a few years ago. I thought Y'all was just a southern American thing and sis was everywhere in gay spaces. 

 

Didn't know sus was AAVE either til this thread. That one is all over the place atm I'll make sure not to use it. It's definitely a bit of a wake up call because I was aware "woke" was AAVE and that it basically became the insult it is today because of racists making fun of black people and white libs appropriating it. So I've often criticised people for using it as an insult. 

[DanyelP23]

I don't know - I use y'all only in writing (on social media) because english is not my first language  and sometimes it helps conveys who I want to address better.

Sometimes I use gay/internet/stan slang (originating obviously from AAVE) because I grew up on social media and that's what I have seen/interacted with but I try to be aware not to overdoit or exagerate it. 

 

[Into The Void]

Ya'll isn't AAVE it's a southern thing like fixin.  I use ya'll all the time 

Edited January 15, 2023 by Insanity

[VOSS]

No, it’s inappropriate. They probably shouldn’t even be speaking English tbh, that’s not their culture…

[RunUpDoneUp]

People can do and say whatever but you can also do and say whatever when they do, it's a beautiful freedom.

 

What I want is people to limit their racism while they perform as an other, that sht gets irksome.

[Snoopy]

who cares tbh