Will The Queen Walk Away With AOTY In A Few Wks @The Grammys?

[M!X]

It's my favourite album by far out of all nominated but I feel like one of the reasons they refuse to give her this award is that she is seen more as an entertainer/performer than a musician and Renaissance is full of samples and that might hurt her chances

[GraceRandolph]

Let Her Burn hasn’t released yet. 
 

[swissman]

21 minutes ago, on the line said:

The last time a white man won was in 2014.....8 years ago, sis. The last 5 years have seen women or POC win AOTY. 

White woman have won DOUBLE the amount of AOTY wins in the last decade alone than Black women have in the entire history of the Grammys.

If you go back 15 years, white women have won AOTY nearly 3x as many times as Black woman have in the entire history of the Grammys.

Just Taylor and Adele (combined) have more AOTY wins than Black women in the entire history of the Grammys.

 

To imply that two POC winning (Bruno Mars, Jon Batiste) means there is no racism present would be overlooking facts.

 

Also, Beck won in 2015.

 

[gustavothehuman]

1 hour ago, Bonicap said:

What a joke, she is the most awarded artist at The Grammys. Every year they keep awarding Beyonce and we have to hear this crap still.

Segregation is a form of racism and they're doing exactly that by limiting Beyoncé's awards to genre categories. I mean, she even had to fight her way into the Dance field 

[on the line]

2 minutes ago, swissman said:

 

White woman have won DOUBLE the amount of AOTY wins in the last decade alone than Black women have in the entire history of the Grammys.

If you go back 15 years, white women have won AOTY nearly 3x as many times as Black woman have in the entire history of the Grammys.

Just Taylor and Adele (combined) have more AOTY wins than Black women in the entire history of the Grammys.

 

To imply that two POC winning (Bruno Mars, Jon Batiste) means there is no racism present would be overlooking facts.

 

Also, Beck won in 2015.

 

The poster I quoted said, "(as seen by the last few AOTY winners)". Hence my response of the last 5 years and pointing out that just isn't true.

 

I'll stand by the fact that Lizzo should have won AOTY over Billie no question. 

[swissman]

4 minutes ago, on the line said:

The poster I quoted said, "(as seen by the last few AOTY winners)". Hence my response of the last 5 years and pointing out that just isn't true.

 

I'll stand by the fact that Lizzo should have won AOTY over Billie no question. 

How is that false though?

 

You're even admitting that one of the last 5 winners shouldn't have won, and that a Black woman should have. White women have won as many times in the last 5 years as Black women have in the entire Grammys history. The only contentious word used in the OP was "mediocrity" as that is subjective, but white people, even white women have been winning more than anyone else in the last five years, keeping a tradition that is decades in the making.

 

 

Edited January 11, 2023 by swissman

[swissman]

Anyway, I can see her winning because as usual she's upped her game completely...but that's what I thought with ST...that's what I thought with Lemonade.

 

Either way it'll be a kind of a jewel in her crown. The notoriety of Lemonade not winning (plus Adele's speech) has made the loss one of the Grammy's most controversial moments in the last 20-or-so years, and the fact that people were so upset/shocked speaks to the way it is perceived by people perhaps more than if it had won.

[Moonlight Nation]

Just now, swissman said:

 

White woman have won DOUBLE the amount of AOTY wins in the last decade alone than Black women have in the entire history of the Grammys.

If you go back 15 years, white women have won AOTY nearly 3x as many times as Black woman have in the entire history of the Grammys.

Just Taylor and Adele (combined) have more AOTY wins than Black women in the entire history of the Grammys.

 

To imply that two POC winning (Bruno Mars, Jon Batiste) means there is no racism present would be overlooking facts.

 

Also, Beck won in 2015.

 

 

OT: I rather not keep my expectations too high. Beyoncé was also the clear favourite when competing with self-titled and "Lemonade", yet we all know how the voting body conveniently switched the criteria to reward lesser work from white artists. It would be a pleasant surprise if she ends up winning, but it shouldn't matter either way. The Grammys have made it painfully blatant how they don't respect black art and don't deem it worthy of winning anything beyond their genre fields, which have historically not even been televised most of the time.

They were making promising progress with Lauryn Hill and OutKast's victories, but since the mid-00s they managed to reach increasingly low points. They dug themselves so deep a hole that even "Renaissance" winning wouldn't make up for their insulting failures. 

 

 

[on the line]

1 minute ago, swissman said:

How is that false though? You're even admitting that one of the last 5 winners shouldn't have won, and that a Black woman should have. White women have won as many times in the last 5 years than as Black women have in the entire Grammys history. The only contentious word used in the OP was "mediocrity" as that is subjective, but white people, even white women have been winning more than anyone else in the last five years, keeping a tradition that is decades in the making.

And if Beyonce wins (which she likely will) there will be more POC artists than white women winners.

 

I fully agree POC have been underawarded and am happy to see that change. I do also think women winning major awards is also a good thing. I'm not going to disparage and discredit their wins over the color of their skin. 

[Shelter]

She deserves it but Grammys adore Adele, I don’t think she lost any yet. 

[.Odyssey.]

Madonna hasn't been nominated for AOTY though? Madame X was only eligible for the 2020 Grammys.

[swissman]

12 minutes ago, on the line said:

And if Beyonce wins (which she likely will) there will be more POC artists than white women winners.

 

I fully agree POC have been underawarded and am happy to see that change. I do also think women winning major awards is also a good thing. I'm not going to disparage and discredit their wins over the color of their skin. 

Actually there would be 2 POC winners (Jon, Beyoncé), 3 white women (Billie, Taylor, Kacey).

 

No one needs to necessarily discredit the individual wins to look at the totality of how Black women especially have been shut out of the award, even in recent years since they have made a clear effort to get new voters and have more diverse nominees.

[Digitalism]

2 hours ago, SwiftLover said:

Midnights isn’t eligible this year

Embarrasing to compare that mid album with Re an actual good record 

 

I think she is getting it. The grammys are a mess (and IDK why you follow them so much) and they almost never give the albums that deserve it the AOTY. This will be her career award when they feel bad for how bad they messed up with Self tittled and Lemon and will give it to her

[OnMyCoolJ]

Whether The Shammys acknowledge it or not the fact remains that Rennée is the AOTY 

[slw84]

4 hours ago, Planet Mars said:

She isn't going to win and I don't know why we're still hung up on this award

 

I've been telling you all for years that the Beyoncé fixation by the American media is very surface level, the industry clearly feels a way about her. Carpool Kareoke won an award over Homecoming and they gave Beck's album nobody remembers an AOTY over ST, which quite literally revolutionized album releases in the industry.

 

Beyoncé will once again be sat front row to loose her award and it'll be the same nonsense as every other year.

 

Beyoncé just released a platinum selling album with a #1 hit and her first to send two singles into the Top 10 in years all while sitting at home hiding from her duties as a musician  (TWENTY-FIVE years into an already massive music career). We have everything to celebrate as Beyoncé fans with her success, longevity, influence and acclaim but you all are going to let this ONE Grammy define this woman's career.

 

It's tired.

The hive really spins things but I do think she will get it. I don't see the competition even Adele declined and not just in numbers...in quality

 

I see her getting it but if not she'll win at least 4.

[on the line]

3 hours ago, swissman said:

Actually there would be 2 POC winners (Jon, Beyoncé), 3 white women (Billie, Taylor, Kacey).

 

No one needs to necessarily discredit the individual wins to look at the totality of how Black women especially have been shut out of the award, even in recent years since they have made a clear effort to get new voters and have more diverse nominees.

Bruno won in 2017, which was part of my original count of the last 5 years.

 

3 poc winners in 6 years isn't a bad record considering the demographics of the US.

 

I'm just happy to see pop(ular) music being nominated for major awards. Not sure what age bracket you're in, but I still remember the pop girls being 100% shut out of the top categories for years.

Edited January 11, 2023 by on the line

[Steve Johnson]

Brandi will win. 

[Materialboy215]

6 hours ago, on the line said:

The last time a white man won was in 2014.....8 years ago, sis. The last 5 years have seen women or POC win AOTY. 

Like I said ONLY 9 artists have ever won AOTY in the 65 yrs on The Grammy's history and Stevie Wonder won 3xx in the 70s.

 

The Grammys love to reward white mediocrity its no other way to slice it sis 🤷🏾‍♂️ it is what it is tbh  

 

The last time a Black woman won AOTY was in 1999 😭

 

https://www.insider.com/black-grammys-winners-album-of-the-year#1984-michael-jackson-2

[swissman]

1 hour ago, on the line said:

Bruno won in 2017, which was part of my original count of the last 5 years.

 

3 poc winners in 6 years isn't a bad record considering the demographics of the US.

 

I'm just happy to see pop(ular) music being nominated for major awards. Not sure what age bracket you're in, but I still remember the pop girls being 100% shut out of the top categories for years.

It's 3/6 POC winners if Beyoncé wins.

 

The overall point is that there is a long history of Black artists being shut out of AOTY. We could presume reasons for why this may be outside of racial bias, but considering the fact that Black musicians have led/innovated/popularized just about every genre of American music, it does seem absurd that there are 11 Black winners total; 3 of them women

[Materialboy215]

6 hours ago, swissman said:

 

White woman have won DOUBLE the amount of AOTY wins in the last decade alone than Black women have in the entire history of the Grammys.

If you go back 15 years, white women have won AOTY nearly 3x as many times as Black woman have in the entire history of the Grammys.

Just Taylor and Adele (combined) have more AOTY wins than Black women in the entire history of the Grammys.

 

To imply that two POC winning (Bruno Mars, Jon Batiste) means there is no racism present would be overlooking facts.

 

Also, Beck won in 2015.

 

 

 

6 hours ago, gustavothehuman said:

Segregation is a form of racism and they're doing exactly that by limiting Beyoncé's awards to genre categories. I mean, she even had to fight her way into the Dance field 

Exactly.

 

All Black artists are boxed into R&B/Hip Hop categories even when they not R&B/Hip Hop smh.

 

6 hours ago, Moonlight Nation said:

 

OT: I rather not keep my expectations too high. Beyoncé was also the clear favourite when competing with self-titled and "Lemonade", yet we all know how the voting body conveniently switched the criteria to reward lesser work from white artists. It would be a pleasant surprise if she ends up winning, but it shouldn't matter either way. The Grammys have made it painfully blatant how they don't respect black art and don't deem it worthy of winning anything beyond their genre fields, which have historically not even been televised most of the time.

They were making promising progress with Lauryn Hill and OutKast's victories, but since the mid-00s they managed to reach increasingly low points. They dug themselves so deep a hole that even "Renaissance" winning wouldn't make up for their insulting failures. 

 

 

My expectations are really low I wouldn't be surprised if they gave it to Coldplay or Adele

[Materialboy215]

7 hours ago, SwiftLover said:

OP is clearly coping with this thread 

 

ot;

 

They gave Beck the grammy last time & she has more names on this playlist than ever….I don’t see it for ha. She should take notes from THREE TIME ALBUM OF THE YEAR WINNER TAYLOR SWIFT and learn to craft a project from her original thoughts and ideas for a better chance next time. 
 

Girl bye Taylor Swift cannot compare to BEYONCE she can't sing, dance, perform, has the body of a 13 yr old boy and with those cheesy corny nursury school lyrics.

 

Your girl benefits a lot from her white privilege don't be fooled into thinking she's actually talented or she's "that girl" or something 😂

 

[Materialboy215]

7 hours ago, Bonicap said:

I won't lose more time with a person who lives in permanent delusion. Here it is what you said while you claim it's other people inserting names in your innocent thread.

 

"with that said I wouldn't be surprised if Adele or Coldplay won.

 

The Grammys seem to love to celebrate white mediocrity (as seen by the last few AOTY winners)".

[Materialboy215]

7 hours ago, Kwame said:

Omg I’m just excited we get to see Beyoncé in a few weeks 

My Philly sis 

 

I want her to give her a NASTY renasence medley since we haven't gotten any vids or performances 😭

[FightDragonsWithMe]

Hopefully they do reward her for Ren. It had to grow on me but I really like the Album now. She also should've won for ST/Lemonade. Janelle Monáe should also be an AOTY winner. 

[byzantium]

Didn’t the queen die back in September?  She would only win over pity.