Communion Posted January 6, 2023 Posted January 6, 2023 (edited) "The House will essentially be led by the House Freedom Caucus" "It'll be a move comparable to the rise of the Tea Party" Liberals: "THEIR PLAN ISN'T EVEN WORKING!!" Edited January 6, 2023 by Communion
Kassi Posted January 6, 2023 Posted January 6, 2023 5 minutes ago, ClashAndBurn said: How the absolute **** is that your takeaway of what we want? We didn't want McCarthy. We wanted concessions from Pelosi, or for her to be blocked and humiliated as she deserved to be. Absolutely as incoherent as your Pelosi worship itself. If Pelosi ever prostrated herself to make these levels of concessions to party extremists, she would have been the absolute wrong person to take on Trump. This is a whole new level of debasement.
Thuggin Posted January 6, 2023 Posted January 6, 2023 I think we're well past the point of McCarthy and his Republican allies giving up. We're already going to the 12th round. They know how embarrassing it would be for McCarthy and the party if he doesn't get the Speakership at this point. They'll give everything to the terrorists - figuratively speaking - if that's what it takes ESPECIALLY before giving Democrats a PR victory with some more "moderate" compromise Speaker. And the 20 Republican dissenters know that, which is why they have no reason to stop, especially since the press can't get worse than they've already been to them. They have nothing to lose but still more to gain, whereas McCarthy has shown himself to be spineless and by giving them anything guaranteed that eventually he would have to give them anything because of course they would call his bluff.
ClashAndBurn Posted January 6, 2023 Posted January 6, 2023 3 minutes ago, Kassi said: If Pelosi ever prostrated herself to make these levels of concessions to party extremists, she would have been the absolute wrong person to take on Trump. This is a whole new level of debasement. The Squad's demands wouldn't have even half that extreme. Committee assignments would have been the extent of it. I don't believe that they would have "forced the vote" on M4A or GND, since Biden said himself that he'd veto universal healthcare in the middle of a pandemic. The fact that the Squad are as milquetoast and centrist-simping as your average CPC member and you people still consider them extremists to be purged from the party says it all
Gov Hooka Posted January 6, 2023 Posted January 6, 2023 10 hours ago, Kassi said: They’re not serving their interests. That’s the point. They’re shooting themselves in the foot. Think about it, their biggest political achievements in the past decade has been judges and tax cuts. And only one of those required legislation… which I’m not sure they could even pull off with today’s Republicans. The fact of leftists looking at this total dysfunction and thinking, “Yes, this is the path to progress!” is confounding. Like what about this process looks like it will yield Republican legislative victories? They literally cannot govern. Are you just going to ignore the fact that McCarthy made several concessions to the freedom caucus??? Something the progressives claimed that they wouldn’t be able to get if they forced the vote... guess what those achievements are more substantial in terms of material impact than anything the so called “progressives” have achieved because they’re willing to flex their power even more in a political system that already is designed to serve their interests. You’re mistaking the definition of “progress” for the actual left and the center/right. Inaction is “progress” for those who want to preserve the political, social, and economic status quo.
Blue Skies Posted January 6, 2023 Posted January 6, 2023 1 hour ago, Tusk said: That would hurt him. If 6 GOP go home, Jeffries wins. 59 minutes ago, VOSS said: Apparently four McCarthy votes need to leave DC tomorrow
Gov Hooka Posted January 6, 2023 Posted January 6, 2023 6 minutes ago, Kassi said: A leader Lmao Of course You’re another delusional Pelosi simp
Communion Posted January 6, 2023 Posted January 6, 2023 (edited) 21 minutes ago, Kassi said: concessions to party extremists "Maybe we should hold a vote on Medicare For All" "No, and we won't negotiate with you terrorist extremists!!!" *81% of Democratic voters support Medicare For All as their preferred healthcare proposal* Some of y'all will will claim the MAGAs aren't winning but then out that you think it's normal that the Democratic Party is to the right of 81% of its own voters. Edited January 6, 2023 by Communion
Kassi Posted January 6, 2023 Posted January 6, 2023 11 minutes ago, Gov Hooka said: Lmao Of course You’re another delusional Pelosi simp Why wouldn’t I be? She’s the most effective progressive legislator of our generation. It’s like saying “Omg I can’t believe you stan [insert legend]”. Duh, it’s literally a living legend. Nancy Pelosi is to politics what Meryl Streep is to acting what Mariah Carey is to music.
Gov Hooka Posted January 6, 2023 Posted January 6, 2023 Just now, Kassi said: Why wouldn’t I be? She’s the most effective progressive legislator of our generation. It’s like saying “Omg I can’t believe you stan [insert legend]”. Duh, it’s literally a living legend. Nancy Pelosi is to politics what Meryl Streep is to acting is to what Mariah Carey is to music. S.hit for brains.... Im done here
Both Sides Now Posted January 6, 2023 Posted January 6, 2023 31 minutes ago, Communion said: "The House will essentially be led by the House Freedom Caucus" "It'll be a move comparable to the rise of the Tea Party" Liberals: "THEIR PLAN ISN'T EVEN WORKING!!" Yikes. It gets less funny put this way. Are Dems just playing chicken in hopes that enough Republicans pack it in and go home that Jeffries squeaks past the line? Have any Dems suggested they would give the votes for a more “moderate” R pick?
Kassi Posted January 6, 2023 Posted January 6, 2023 9 minutes ago, Communion said: "Maybe we should hold a vote on Medicare For All" "No, and we won't negotiate with you terrorist extremists!!!" *81% of Democratic voters support Medicare For All as their preferred healthcare proposal* Some of y'all will will claim the MAGAs aren't winning but then out that you think it's normal that the Democratic Party is to the right of 81% of its own voters. Ok, they force the vote, M4A goes to floor and fails. The final tally looks something like this: YEA NAY PRES NV Democratic 82 2 132 15 Republican 4 184 9 0 Independent 1 0 0 0 Totals 87 105 141 15
HeavyMetalAura Posted January 6, 2023 Posted January 6, 2023 (I'm aware that Google is a thing, but when I try to Google it I can't find any solid answers that aren't behind paywalls or that make sense to me - which in and of itself is exemplary of a major problem with news dissemination in America). Normally I'm pretty politically aware at least when it comes to America, but I'm very confused about all this. Can someone who doesn't mind taking the time please explain the following to me: 1. Clarify that, since I'm a Democrat, I should be rooting for Kevin McCarthy over other Republican alternatives (since obviously the Democrat won't reach 218)? If far-right extremists like Gaetz are the ones voting against him, in theory that means that as far as Republicans go, McCarthy must be more to the center/not that extreme. Right? 2. Tell me why the far-right extremists don't like him? TIA!
Kassi Posted January 6, 2023 Posted January 6, 2023 13 minutes ago, Gov Hooka said: S.hit for brains.... Im done here
Communion Posted January 6, 2023 Posted January 6, 2023 Just now, Kassi said: YEA Democratic 82 Why would there be 82 yes votes on a bill that has 97 Democratic co-sponsors in the current session? And you suggesting there are people who sponsor or co-sponsor bills with no intent to vote for them? And why are only 38% of House Democrats then voting for policy supported by 81% of Dem voters?
Kassi Posted January 6, 2023 Posted January 6, 2023 10 minutes ago, Communion said: Why would there be 82 yes votes on a bill that has 97 Democratic co-sponsors in the current session? And you suggesting there are people who sponsor or co-sponsor bills with no intent to vote for them? Idk, why did prominent Senate co-sponsors of the GND duck a vote on the resolution? I guess anything is possible. 10 minutes ago, Communion said: And why are only 38% of House Democrats then voting for policy supported by 81% of Dem voters? Because we love Obamacare.
JustLikeHoney Posted January 6, 2023 Posted January 6, 2023 53 minutes ago, Kassi said: If Pelosi ever prostrated herself to make these levels of concessions to party extremists, she would have been the absolute wrong person to take on Trump. This is a whole new level of debasement. That last one.
Bears01 Posted January 6, 2023 Posted January 6, 2023 22 minutes ago, HeavyMetalAura said: (I'm aware that Google is a thing, but when I try to Google it I can't find any solid answers that aren't behind paywalls or that make sense to me - which in and of itself is exemplary of a major problem with news dissemination in America). Normally I'm pretty politically aware at least when it comes to America, but I'm very confused about all this. Can someone who doesn't mind taking the time please explain the following to me: 1. Clarify that, since I'm a Democrat, I should be rooting for Kevin McCarthy over other Republican alternatives (since obviously the Democrat won't reach 218)? If far-right extremists like Gaetz are the ones voting against him, in theory that means that as far as Republicans go, McCarthy must be more to the center/not that extreme. Right? 2. Tell me why the far-right extremists don't like him? TIA! I mean, any Republican alternative will almost certainly be “worse”, but McCarthy is still not “good” by any stretch of the imagination. He’s a sellout, power hungry, swamp creature *******, who has absolutely no spine whatsoever. None. He’s as weak as it can get. The fact that he has given up EVERYTHING and still can’t win the gavel shows just how pathetic he is. Those far right extremists hate him because in their opinion he’s a RINO, but in todays Republican Party, Ronald Regan would be too far left for their ilk
JustLikeHoney Posted January 6, 2023 Posted January 6, 2023 If I were McCarthy I would vote for Hakeem just to be petty.
Communion Posted January 6, 2023 Posted January 6, 2023 1 minute ago, Kassi said: a vote on the GND Are you suggesting Nancy Pelosi would try to sabotage a vote that would have allowed the House under her leadership to pass universal healthcare like Senate Republicans did in introducing a GND text that they didn't even write for a vote? You acknowledging that Nancy would purposefully be at odds with progress is you showing growth!
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