Armani? Posted January 3, 2023 Posted January 3, 2023 I cant take this thread seriously for some reason lol
KatyPrismSpirit Posted January 3, 2023 Posted January 3, 2023 39 minutes ago, IBeMe said: you said it here yourself sis. You are from a conservative muslim family. Meaning the only form of islam you seem to know is the one that is conservative. That said, you also need to acknowledge not everyone (and certainly not most) muslims follow your idea of islam being so unmalleable. Unless you are from Iran or Saudi Arabia i legit cannot believe you literally have this type of interpretation of islam as ALL muslims I met understand that there is nuance to islam. There are those that are super conservative, those that are not, those that only culturally identify with the faith, those that identify with the faith and do not follow the rules, those that follow some rules and do not identify with the faith but do it out of necessity, those that are nominal muslims etc...etc...etc...This is why I legit cannot understand how you can be muslim and say what you've been saying all throughout this thread...p.s: this is just out of genuine confusion and disbelief. Like I legit cannot understand how you can be muslim or from a muslim family and say you NEVER met a muslim woman who wears a bikini That's like a significant amount of muslim girls in the west that still identify with Islam even if they do those things. And not just those that culturally identify with it but those that legit identify with the religion in general. In islam there is no space for liberalism sweetheart. Islam is simply Islam. Liberalism is an orientalist concept. If you are a muslim you simply submit to the law and lifestyle. Only very small aspects have room for interpretation. Islam is about redemption and following the “straight path”. Like i said i dont know what is in her heart but judging on what is apparent, she does not represent Islam or muslims properly to their religion. And that is fine, as long as she understands that what she does is unislamic as well as those who view her as a muslim. Wearing a bikini, singing (in general) about sex etc is not allowed. You can still do those things as a muslim woman but she would have to acknowledge herself that what she does is not right if she truly identifies as a muslim. And i didnt know she herself said she was muslim in 2021 so pardon me. I follow her and never saw any sort of islamic content on her page
BeyIridescent Posted January 3, 2023 Posted January 3, 2023 6 hours ago, Si Hoo said: Are we really going to ignore all the toxic influences of Muslims? What a mess Christians can have wicked ways too, very wicked. Just remember most of Donald Trumps base identified as christian. Bigotry in the US has been driven primarily by Christian beliefs
IBeMe Posted January 3, 2023 Author Posted January 3, 2023 6 minutes ago, KatyPrismSpirit said: In islam there is no space for liberalism sweetheart. Islam is simply Islam. Liberalism is an orientalist concept. If you are a muslim you simply submit to the law and lifestyle. Only very small aspects have room for interpretation. Islam is about redemption and following the “straight path”. Like i said i dont know what is in her heart but judging on what is apparent, she does not represent Islam or muslims properly to their religion. And that is fine, as long as she understands that what she does is unislamic as well as those who view her as a muslim. Wearing a bikini, singing (in general) about sex etc is not allowed. You can still do those things as a muslim woman but she would have to acknowledge herself that what she does is not right if she truly identifies as a muslim. And i didnt know she herself said she was muslim in 2021 so pardon me. I follow her and never saw any sort of islamic content on her page No problem! I know lots of ppl probably did not know this but even as recent as like 2021 or 2022 she identified as muslim. About your other points: you're still talking about your / your family's interpretation and you're still talking about the RULES of Islam. You do understand that people are free to practice their faith any way they want to right? They may face repercussions if they live in a strict islamic nation like Saudi Arabia or Iran, they may only face communal alienation or they may face no hardships at all in general if they live in a more Westernized nation or a little more "relaxed" muslim majority nation. In regards to rules and stuff: Muslims sin. The ones who dress in bikinis and what not are not deluding themselves to say it is ok to do that in islam. SZA herself said she knows her lyrics and her music video for Love Galore for example is not something she views as islamicly ok. But guess what? She STILL identifies as muslim while essentially doing the sin. This is literally the logic of christians too. They know their songs are sinful etc...but they still identify with the faith. That's it. You think when Lady Gaga is singing about demonic ish she is deluding herself into thinking its ok in her faith? She probably knows its considered sinful but she is ok with that and identifies as a Catholic. This is how tons of muslims view life and view their faith and identity. It's really as simple as that.
KillingYourCareer Posted January 3, 2023 Posted January 3, 2023 42 minutes ago, IBeMe said: Out of the top 10 worst countries in the world for women 5 are Christian majority and 5 are muslim majority. This to me seems like it has more to do with whether or not your country is POOR and has been in a recent war more than religion itself as many muslim nations rank high enough when it comes to women's rights. The only exception is Saudi Arabia where it is a rich country, has not been in any major recent war and still super repressive to women. But otherwise, it seems to be a GLOBAL issue to be anti woman especially when in a poor country or one that is extremely unstable. Sadly women are the first to get the brunt of poverty and violence. In regards to LGBTQIA+ I am certain muslim nations are probably most of the worst nations. Gay rights has a major way to go in that part of the world sadly. https://www.worldvision.org/gender-equality-news-stories/behind-the-curtain This is more about them being very poor countries than anything! Focus on developed countries only and you'll see that the muslim ones are faring worse. I had no idea SZA was a muslim! But from the replies in this thread it seems very ambiguous
IBeMe Posted January 3, 2023 Author Posted January 3, 2023 3 minutes ago, KillingYourCareer said: This is more about them being very poor countries than anything! Focus on developed countries only and you'll see that the muslim ones are faring worse. I had no idea SZA was a muslim! But from the replies in this thread it seems very ambiguous yeah out of the more developed nations the muslims ones are still far behind. Of course we have to place into consideration that conservative cultures have a part in that but the point is there is more to mistreatment of women than just religion. Most of the time it is solely based on whether or not you live in a poor nation or in a unstable nation due to intense and long wars. Still, it gives a better idea of the nuance and the semi falsehood of the argument I quoted. In addition, based on the replies in this thread it should become obvious to you she is muslim lol. Check the previous page for a string of videos and articles of her saying she is muslim and identifying with islam as her sole faith (though like many ppl she is clearly a free spirit in this regard which is nice to see tbh)
Mr.Link Posted January 3, 2023 Posted January 3, 2023 1 hour ago, IBeMe said: Out of the top 10 worst countries in the world for women 5 are Christian majority and 5 are muslim majority And what % of the total countries in the world are Muslim? It’s not 50/50. Not to defend Christianism (it’s as terrible as Islam is) but there’s no point of comparison.
mintpasty Posted January 3, 2023 Posted January 3, 2023 8 hours ago, IBeMe said: SZA's Kill Bill is predicted to rise to #3 on this weeks BB Hot 100. The points gap between it and Anti-Hero and Unholy is shrinking. With the mv release it will likely top the Hot 100 which would make SZA the first female artist to openly identify as Muslim to top the Hot 100. The only other muslim female artists who topped the Hot 100 are Sinead O'Connor with "Nothing Compares 2 U" and Janet Jackson with her multiple #1s however they both topped the Hot 100 before they had converted to Islam many years later. This would mean SZA would essentially be the first! Dua (Levitating & Don't Start Now) and Bebe Rexha (Meant to Be) both peaked at #2. Rita Ora at #3 with Black Widow and no other popgirl from a muslim family / background or who identifies as muslim has come close to topping the Hot 100. Why would you even make this thread? It’s not confirmed anywhere she’s even going to rise, let alone go #1, you’re letting everyone just take a dump on Islam once again
Mystic Boy Posted January 3, 2023 Posted January 3, 2023 (edited) 8 hours ago, IBeMe said: Not comparable at all. There are tons of Christian women who sing about sex. Are they no longer christian? Nah. If someone claims to be muslim or any other faith that's literally all it takes for them to be of that faith Is she maybe considered a "bad muslim" by many religious people? Probably. But that does not remove the fact that she LITERALLY said she identifies as muslim, believes in God / Allah and still practices the faith. You do realize that you do not have to practice your faith intensly to consider yourself a part of that faith right? I'm Spanish and French but have a Moroccan side of the family. None of them pray or go to the mosque. Some of them date outside of their community, they drink etc but still identify as muslim and are considered muslim because of that. It's like saying Lady Gaga or Katy Perry are not Christian because they dress up provocativly etc...faith and the way ppl practice it depends on where you live and how you interpret it. That's it. 7 hours ago, IBeMe said: Atrl is an odd place. It's either yall hate all muslims or when a muslim is liberal and modern then they are not muslim (even if they identify and tell you they are muslim ). It's like yall have a one size fits all idea of what a muslim is or should be and if they do not fit that model then it is impossible for them to be muslim because they are not out here doing things you think muslims would do. Muslims like ALL religious groups come with different ideals, practices, levels of religiosity etc...Some do not identify with the faith and come from a muslim background and only culturally identify with Islam (which is the likely case with someone like Dua) but then there are those that LEGIT tell you they are muslim and appreciate the faith and practice certain things of it but because they are not in a hijab and are not super conservative or religious suddenly you cannot falthom that a muslim could practice their faith like how a lot of you casual christians practice yours Tons of you still identify as christian (me included) even though we do not practice the faith too much. This is how it is with someone like SZA too and tons of other muslims. It's as simple as that yall. There isn't just two forms of islam (super strict or not muslim anymore). There are lots of muslims who choose to identify as muslim and practice only some aspects or casually practice a bit here and there but still identify with their faith. The amount of bullshit I'm reading from both muslims and non muslims is beyond non acceptable I salute you for trying with these ignorants though 6 hours ago, Literature said: Why is this something to "celebrate"? Music like SZA's is unequivocally haram in Islam. Celebrating a #1 on the Hot 100 would be like celebrating the fact a liquor produced by some """"Muslim"""" distiller became a best seller Oh my 4 hours ago, IBeMe said: Why? She denounced these comments and said she regrets them immensely. She has changed a lot since 2011. That's like 12 years ago...why can't we believe someone is no longer homophobic? It's not self hate to believe ppl change for the better and regret things they said in the past. Dont even bother with that user.... 3 hours ago, KatyPrismSpirit said: being a muslim means you submit to the laws of your god. its not just your believesystem. you dont have to be perfect but you should acknowledge that u are “haram” and try to better yourself if you are one. I'm muslim but don't practice , I drink, I have sex, interested in astrology and many other things, and I won't allow anyone to tell me I'm a fake muslim Wtf is wrong with you all with this old ass way with your beliefs ? Edited January 3, 2023 by Mystic Boy
KatyPrismSpirit Posted January 3, 2023 Posted January 3, 2023 11 minutes ago, Mystic Boy said: I'm muslim but don't practice , I drink, I have sex, interested in astrology and many other things, and I won't allow anyone to tell me I'm a fake muslim Wtf is wrong with you all with this old ass way with your beliefs ? where did i say that makes you a fake muslim? i said islam is about redemption. what makes you a fake muslim is saying that its allowed in Islam to do these thinks and not make the distinction yourself that you are sinning. Sinning is allowed and normal but saying this is islamic isnt.
ichabe Posted January 3, 2023 Posted January 3, 2023 11 minutes ago, TrieLz said: Zayn Malik hit #1 with Pillowtalk tho You spilled. But Zayn is a male tho. Thread title is a female . Anyway MashaAllah Tabarakallah for SZA.
KatyPrismSpirit Posted January 3, 2023 Posted January 3, 2023 Just now, ichabe said: Anyway MashaAllah Tabarakallah for SZA.
Mystic Boy Posted January 3, 2023 Posted January 3, 2023 36 minutes ago, ichabe said: Anyway MashaAllah Tabarakallah for SZA. 35 minutes ago, KatyPrismSpirit said:
Terrielle Posted January 3, 2023 Posted January 3, 2023 7 hours ago, IBeMe said: Secular music may be considered sinful but the “celebration” is having a Muslim succeed in the music industry in a highly islamaphobic society. That’s what it is. Is her music considered sinful to most strict Muslims? Of course, but to the hundreds of millions of Muslims who consume secular music it’s something to celebrate. It’s always nice to see representations of yourself and I am sure somewhere out there an American black Muslim girl is living for SZA’s success as an unapologetically Muslim AND sexual artist. As contradictory as those two things may seem. Except literally 95% of non stans don't even know that she's Muslim, so that doesn't really make sense. Eitherway, as an ex Muslim with a Muslim Arab background, I gotta say that ain't nothing Muslim about ms Solana or her music.
Jooj Posted January 3, 2023 Posted January 3, 2023 5 hours ago, tellem said: You’re here discussing LGBT laws abroad in a thread about SZA (an individual woman who also supports the LGBT community) just because she’s Muslim. If you don’t realize how weird and uncalled for that is then So human rights are uncalled for because were discussing a religion thats not christianity? Lol okay girl. Serving Qatar apologists.
PoisonPill Posted January 3, 2023 Posted January 3, 2023 1) Intentionally false thread as she is not #1 or even close 2) Why does it matter if the singer of a hit song privately subscribes to an antiquated oppressive religion?
Ghiles Posted January 4, 2023 Posted January 4, 2023 On 1/3/2023 at 11:57 AM, KatyPrismSpirit said: being a muslim means you submit to the laws of your god. its not just your believesystem. you dont have to be perfect but you should acknowledge that u are “haram” and try to better yourself if you are one. Nope. The only requirement to be of muslim faith is to believe in the uniqueness of god and that the prophet was his messenger. Certain actions do result in automatic excommunication but singing about sex and wearing a bikini don’t exclude her from islam. They are just considered sins. SZA may not represent the average muslim but there are always varying levels of dedication to a religion. Even in muslim majority countries, you will find many having premarital sex and neglecting islamic duties like the daily 5 prayers. Nobody will tell you they’re not muslims because once you’re in, there are specific things you have to do or say to be considered an apostat.
SwiftLover Posted January 4, 2023 Posted January 4, 2023 21 hours ago, ichabe said: You spilled. But Zayn is a male tho. Thread title is a female . Anyway MashaAllah Tabarakallah for SZA.
KatyPrismSpirit Posted January 4, 2023 Posted January 4, 2023 59 minutes ago, Ghiles said: Nope. The only requirement to be of muslim faith is to believe in the uniqueness of god and that the prophet was his messenger. Certain actions do result in automatic excommunication but singing about sex and wearing a bikini don’t exclude her from islam. They are just considered sins. SZA may not represent the average muslim but there are always varying levels of dedication to a religion. Even in muslim majority countries, you will find many having premarital sex and neglecting islamic duties like the daily 5 prayers. Nobody will tell you they’re not muslims because once you’re in, there are specific things you have to do or say to be considered an apostat. this isnt true! that is considered iman! the word muslim in arabic literally means the one who submits to Allah. So to his uniqueness, him being one and his final messenger as well as his rulings. you can still sin while being a muslim because you are human and sinning is normal but being a submitter is what makes one a believer. that is what every scholar or sheikh will tell you
Capruni Posted January 4, 2023 Posted January 4, 2023 Her label needs to release the movie video & send it to radio
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