US life expectancy at 25 year low, expenditure still far above industrialized nations

[Vermillion]

 

[Richmond]

aint nobody tryna live past 60 nowadays anyway

[Communion]

And yet we have a president who says he would veto universal healthcare. 

[Guest]

4 minutes ago, Richmond said:

aint nobody tryna live past 60 nowadays anyway

That part ^! Unless you have kids, then you’d want to see them grow up and have kids—if they so choose—etc. 

[HEAVYONIT]

US healthcare system won’t change until  (primarily Republican) Congressmen get out of bed with Big Pharma lobbyists.

[Thuggin]

We're dying earlier but having to retire later, all while we don't have universal healthcare. Great system we have going! This surely won't cost us many times over in the long run what simply providing healthcare to our citizens would cost!

[Bloo]

Who else but the greatest country in the world? 

[Letemtalk]

The US Healthcare system is designed to provides incentives for increasing the life expectancies and quality of life for Billionaires and enhancing the curves of the Kardashians and other wealthy celebrities. It does those things quite well, and there won't be any change from a presidential candidate who would be acceptable to centrist democrats and corporate donors.

 

Rich People Don’t Just Live Longer. They Also Get More Healthy Years.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/16/science/rich-people-longer-life-study.html

 

[MAKSIM]

Of course life expectancy is shorter in the USA compared to other OECD countries when 70% of the adult population in the USA is overweight or obese. 

 

Edited January 2, 2023 by MAKSIM

[Letemtalk]

1 minute ago, MAKSIM said:

Of course life expectancy is shorter in the USA compared to other OECD countries when 70% of the adult population is overweight or obese.

Part of it is diet, but Americans drive everywhere and most cities have car centric designs with few walkable neighbourhoods. Cars make you fat, which is why there are fewer obese people in places like the Netherlands.

https://www.dw.com/en/obese-not-us-why-the-netherlands-is-becoming-the-skinniest-eu-country/a-18503808

[Roman Holiday]

2 hours ago, Richmond said:

aint nobody tryna live past 60 nowadays anyway

Not me. I’m looking forward to being the creepy old gay men sitting in the locker rooms 

[byzantium]

Maybe having such car-centric country is not great.  

Too bad Exxon and friends own the US government so nothing will be done about it...even if it is killing us.  


Also we should have M4A and take care of the opioid crisis. 

[Gov Hooka]

This is intentional. The oligarchs who control the dictatorship of capital that is the US government WANT this. 

[Communion]

1 hour ago, MAKSIM said:

Of course life expectancy is shorter in the USA compared to other OECD countries when 70% of the adult population in the USA is overweight or obese. 

 

There's no other argument that one can make to show they have little-to-no interaction with poor Americans than ignoring the reality that obesity and poverty correlate within America.  Have any of y'all spent even a day within a low-income American town in your lives? And not just traveled to America for business and work? 

Edited January 2, 2023 by Communion

[ClashAndBurn]

We did it, Joe!  

[MAKSIM]

8 minutes ago, Communion said:

There's no other argument that one can make to show they have little-to-no interaction with poor Americans than ignoring the reality that obesity and poverty correlate within America.  Have any of y'all spent even a day within a low-income American town in your lives? And not just traveled to America for business and work? 

I’m American. Obesity is cultural. There is a correlation among women that increased poverty means increased rate of obesity, but it is the opposite for men. Black and Hispanic men have higher rates of obesity the higher their wealth is. 
 

America is a culture of sugar, processed fast food, large cups that are bigger than your head, free refills, overloaded portions, and toddler palettes. 
 

Indulgence and overconsumption, and feeling proud about it, is American as apple pie. 

[ClashAndBurn]

36 minutes ago, MAKSIM said:

I’m American. Obesity is cultural. There is a correlation among women that increased poverty means increased rate of obesity, but it is the opposite for men. Black and Hispanic men have higher rates of obesity the higher their wealth is. 
 

America is a culture of sugar, processed fast food, large cups that are bigger than your head, free refills, overloaded portions, and toddler palettes. 
 

Indulgence and overconsumption, and feeling proud about it, is American as apple pie. 

All of this because you don’t want Joe Biden to look bad for saying he would veto universal healthcare in America  

[Communion]

56 minutes ago, MAKSIM said:

Obesity is cultural. 

This is a bad reading of the data because it can't explain why the poverty and obesity correlation is at direct odds between boys and men of the same race. Just like it happens for women and girls, obesity and poverty heavily correlate for boys in America, largely across all races:

 

 

 

Black and brown men end up "beating" the correlation as adults, due to things like the physical impact of job occupation (rich men have the privilege of working in an office), but having lower obesity rates due to high employment rates in things like long-hour factory jobs isn't exactly erasing disparities in life expectancy and thus aren't really a 'win'. 

 

Affluent black men, even with the highest levels of obesity, live longer than poor black men. No one is denying some American subcultures have fatty cuisines. Everyone knows the infamous Boondocks scene about soul food.

 

The point is that the disparity in life expectancy is most due to income disparity. Yes, you can say many rich Americans are fat and it's the cars and it's the high calorie meals, but the root cause of all of that is the lack of regulation on food and food accessibility (due to profit motive), made worse than by being the only developed country without universal healthcare.

 

Higher rates of obesity across race and gender and throughout childhood for most poor people emphasizes that it's reductive to try and claim the issue of obesity in America (and thus life expectancy) is one of choice and not one of failed design.

Edited January 2, 2023 by Communion

[WildOne]

4 hours ago, Thuggin said:

We're dying earlier but having to retire later, all while we don't have universal healthcare. Great system we have going! This surely won't cost us many times over in the long run what simply providing healthcare to our citizens would cost!

I hate it here 

[Attitude]

6 hours ago, Black Jesus said:

US healthcare system won’t change until  (primarily Republican) Congressmen get out of bed with Big Pharma lobbyists.

so never. 

[A.R.L]

Two things, they better improve the health care system like in other developed countries like neighboring canada, andget rid of fast food culture, especially when you look at the two biggest causes of death there 

Edited January 2, 2023 by A.R.L

[Kamil24]

Obesity

[MAKSIM]

11 hours ago, ClashAndBurn said:

All of this because you don’t want Joe Biden to look bad for saying he would veto universal healthcare in America  

I could care less about Joe Biden  Government can’t magically change a population’s culture though. Americans are gluttonous. 

[HEAVYONIT]

13 hours ago, Attitude said:

so never. 

Or until we can get a supermajority of Dems in Congress…which is pretty much never 

[ClashAndBurn]

12 hours ago, A.R.L said:

Two things, they better improve the health care system like in other developed countries like neighboring canada, andget rid of fast food culture, especially when you look at the two biggest causes of death there 

Many Americans aren't paid livable wages that cover cost of living and food expenditures, and don't have $400 that can be set aside for emergencies. We are a country of people living paycheck to paycheck, and that is "okay" to you and we deserve to die off because we have a system where fast food is all the average American family can afford to have most of the time.

 

7 hours ago, MAKSIM said:

I could care less about Joe Biden  Government can’t magically change a population’s culture though. Americans are gluttonous. 

You just ignored the statistics laid out in front of you showing how that isn't the case, but whatever confirms your priors and bashing Americans as deserving to die as a result of poverty cycles, I guess.