Sheep Posted October 6, 2023 Posted October 6, 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Adama said: Seems like you’re the only fanbase who still don’t want to accept that Newjeans is the leader of their generation, already left the biggest mark not only their generation but accross all the generations and are the closet to SNSD and BP cultural impact I'm a newjeans fan. They're up there but they haven't peaked yet and aren't even close to realizing their potential. I still believe their peak is going to make BTS and SNSD look indie. The only My I know of that don't live for newjeans are Eternium and Pluto and Pluto hardly counts as a My or a user. Edited October 6, 2023 by Century
Odette Violet Posted October 6, 2023 Posted October 6, 2023 NCT needs to be ban in all the faces of the earth, sorry for their stans here. Aespa and soon to be RIIZE can at least back up their sales with hits and quality 1
Pluto6 Posted October 6, 2023 Posted October 6, 2023 (edited) If sales and touring matter the most (which is indeed true), then why does majority of the KTRL constantly drag my fave Stray Kittens for flopping in Korea Edited October 6, 2023 by Pluto2022
Mitsuki Posted October 6, 2023 Posted October 6, 2023 What's up with these sajaegi accusations against IVE? There's proof or...
katyberry Posted October 6, 2023 Posted October 6, 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Odette Violet said: NCT needs to be ban in all the faces of the earth, sorry for their stans here. Aespa and soon to be RIIZE can at least back up their sales with hits and quality If nct has to go, then so does riize Edited October 6, 2023 by katyberry 1
Queenyoncee Posted October 6, 2023 Posted October 6, 2023 17 minutes ago, dlwlrma said: I agree with sheeps tour and physicals sales are what matter I hope they can understand now why SM push NCT more than any female act We shouldn’t underestimate endorsements ,especially solo CFs. Thats where idols earn the most money since they don’t need to divide the money between the members.
Adama Posted October 6, 2023 Posted October 6, 2023 1 minute ago, Century said: I'm a newjeans fan. They're up there but they haven't peaked yet and aren't even close to realizing their potential. I still believe their peak is going to make BTS and SNSD look indie. The only My I know of that don't live for newjeans are Eternium and Pluto and Pluto hardly counts as a My or a user. Even if they hasn’t peaked yet, the marks they left are already bigger than anything Aespa did.
lgaga1fan Posted October 6, 2023 Posted October 6, 2023 6 minutes ago, dlwlrma said: NCT Seoul and NCT Jeju Island are coming next year Hopefully we will not see any posts complaining about the push while they lack hits. this metric doesn't matter If the songs are as good as Perfume they can keep them coming we like them
Odette Violet Posted October 6, 2023 Posted October 6, 2023 "NJ are close to reaching SNSD's and BP's impact11" They're hot right now but let's not set up those poor girls.
Pluto6 Posted October 6, 2023 Posted October 6, 2023 (edited) 9 minutes ago, dlwlrma said: NCT Seoul and NCT Jeju Island are coming next year Hopefully we will not see any posts complaining about the push while they lack hits. this metric doesn't matter NCT 127 is already NCT Soul though, since the number "127" is the longitude number of Soul Edited October 6, 2023 by Pluto2022
katyberry Posted October 6, 2023 Posted October 6, 2023 I'm neutral on both groups but Riize could never 1
katyberry Posted October 6, 2023 Posted October 6, 2023 Look at dives inserting newjeans because they couldn't find anything to say about IVE 1
Odette Violet Posted October 6, 2023 Posted October 6, 2023 Just now, katyberry said: I'm neutral on both groups but Riize could never henny, they just debuted with only 3 song out
Adama Posted October 6, 2023 Posted October 6, 2023 Just now, katyberry said: Look at dives inserting newjeans because they couldn't find anything to say about IVE Nah! The difference it’s that we aren’t delusional like you. Everyone accepted that NJ are the leader of their generation except yall 1
Odette Violet Posted October 6, 2023 Posted October 6, 2023 (edited) I mean NJ are currently hopping on the lane Aespa has been doing since like 2020 so I'm not sure what mark they are offering so far more than the group they are supposedly bigger with inb4 NJ Billboard and Spotify11! Edited October 6, 2023 by Odette Violet 2 2
Sheep Posted October 6, 2023 Posted October 6, 2023 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Pluto2022 said: If sales and touring matter the most (which is indeed true), then why does majority of the KTRL constantly drag my fave Stray Kittens for flopping in Korea Because Stays keep pitting their favs against groups that are more popular in the real world. The groups those comparisons are made over ALSO have huge sales and tours. 12 minutes ago, Mitsuki said: What's up with these sajaegi accusations against IVE? There's proof or... Their label is known for sajaegi and back when charts were more transparent their acts would have their peak hours from 2-5am with people in their 40s-50s. IVE is huge but if you went off their digitals/streams they'd be as big/bigger than NewJeans and aespa when other metrics don't come close. For example: there are b-tier groups with better tour attendance than IVE, their Japanese sales despite having 2 separate releases are barely over their peers with no japanese physicals out or even Japanese distribution for their Korean albums. There's never any hard proof with any fraud claims bc it's obviously illegal but in foreign markets were sajaegiship has less power, IVE's charting ability falls off a cliff. This is despite IVE having 2 of the defining global kpop hits of 4th gen and tons of global appeal(esp for the Japanese market) too. Edited October 6, 2023 by Century 1 2
rzal Posted October 6, 2023 Posted October 6, 2023 1 minute ago, Century said: Because Stays keep pitting their favs against groups that are more popular in the real world. The groups those comparisons are made over ALSO have huge sales and tours. In the real world Stray Kids' latest Korean song has over 40m more streams than Spicy despite being released a month later 2
Sheep Posted October 6, 2023 Posted October 6, 2023 1 minute ago, rzal said: In the real world Stray Kids' latest Korean song has over 40m more streams than Spicy despite being released a month later In the real world you're on every website, group chat, and app looking for angles to insert your weird hate for certain female singers from Korea and have been for years. Go try it with somebody else. We're out here whining about sour fanbases and what you do is not that. 1
Odette Violet Posted October 6, 2023 Posted October 6, 2023 Remove all those successes and streams. What can this groups be supposedly to offer? Now that's the real question? no visuals doesn't count
Mitsuki Posted October 6, 2023 Posted October 6, 2023 4 minutes ago, Century said: Their label is known for sajaegi and back when charts were more transparent their acts would have their peak hours from 2-5am with people in their 40s-50s. IVE is huge but if you went off their digitals/streams they'd be as big/bigger than NewJeans and aespa when other metrics don't come close. For example: there are b-tier groups with better tour attendance than IVE, their Japanese sales despite having 2 separate releases are barely over their peers with no japanese physicals out or even Japanese distribution for their Korean albums. There's never any hard proof with any fraud claims bc it's obviously illegal but in foreign markets were sajaegiship has less power, IVE's charting ability falls off a cliff. I won't speak on the first paragraph, cause I have never followed Starship's acts stats. Especially in previous Melon's reforms. But, about the second one, for me It just might mean they have casual interest that is not translating into actual hardcore fandom support. I have the impression IVE has a good fandom, but they aren't the priority of the majority of their fandom, you know? Something like being the 2nd to 4th favorite from multifans. Which happens to some acts. It doesn't necessarily prove their digital stats are a fraud.
Sheep Posted October 6, 2023 Posted October 6, 2023 3 minutes ago, Odette Violet said: Remove all those successes and streams. What can this groups be supposedly to offer? Now that's the real question? no visuals doesn't count Love Dive and After Like were both instant classics. IVE is big for sure but their stats are inflated and their KTRL fans are haters. Let's not lose the plot and start dragging a perfectly fine group.
bunnyeyes Posted October 6, 2023 Posted October 6, 2023 NewJennies are the SNSD of this generation. Aespa has the biggest 4th gen hit but it is a little overshadowed given the fact it was released in a pandemic The biggest hurdle they have right now is internal competition within the fandom as winter and Karina fans compete due to SM’s poor management of individual activities. Aespa has been highly sabotaged. Starship is genius with how they managed to make SISTAR rise using alternative methods … but it only worked with them and IVE because they already had the it factor and public friendly music. Don’t underestimate older Korean’s love for disco. NMIXX is the biggest tragedy given how incredibly talented they are; they still have one more comeback to get their Gee like SNSD did.
dlwlrma Posted October 6, 2023 Posted October 6, 2023 NJ is really that gg right now, anyone who think otherwise is delusional but if they commit any huge mistake they will pay a higher price than Aespa for their sake, Min Heejin need to be perfect in her job I don't agree that tour and physicals = better but I agree its the safest looking IVE right now... if Baddie doesn't work they will be out of any discussion about who is #2
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