fan base K-Pop Thread: 2023 Archive

[Lost In Paradise]

ITZY's dedication to starting a song with a perfectly fine verse/prechorus and then letting Yeji scream all over the chorus to ruin the song...

 

it needs to stop

[Zack]

1 hour ago, Century said:

We all know where this baseless conspiracy theory came from and it's a novel for teenage girls. There's enough REAL issues with that evil corporation, you don't need to regurgitate Jessica Jung's fantasies to find something to criticize. The current mass exodus from SM disproves this narrative that people are forced to stay with them forever. All 8 SNSD members continuing to work with SM while half of them aren't under contract and actively working in the industry for another company also is a huge hole in this conspiracy theory.

 

It's time to put the "slave contract" narrative to bed for good. The ex-dbsk members who originated it were exposed to not all be great/honest people. SM is extremely controlling for the 7 year contract term like every other agency, or like any other main US record label is for the term of an x album contract.

Not you wasting time out of your day to type this garbage. 

 

The slave contract exists, it's undeniable that they force their idols to stay beyond 7 years. It was even confirmed in court when Luhan, Tao and Kris tried to sue and get out. Not to mention, f(x), who had to wait to 2019 to leave, when we all know some of them wanted to leave sooner (see Krystal and Amber...and Victoria). 

 

Also my comments were not based on "fiction" but reported statements from SM in the media. 

 

https://v.daum.net/v/20230717091220601

[Witnessed ET]

7 minutes ago, armink said:

my poor unknown fave, he must be devastated that grandma Betsy in Wyoming doesn't know who he is 

 

 

I know it’s ridiculous to constantly bring up the “BTS and BP are not relevant with the American gp” thing when it comes to their streams and sales in the country, but at the end of the day, it’s still a valid discussion in the sense that their numbers are sky high but their mainstream familiarity is still not there yet. 

[moxcy]

1 hour ago, Century said:

 

They planned this ***** in a few months while simultaneously filming a TV show at every meeting and still shat on all your oppas.  

one of, if not my favorite song of 2022. pure nostalgic ear candy 

[kendoll2001]

 

[lgaga1fan]

7 years doesnt feel that long when some of these groups barely release anything tbh...

[armink]

23 minutes ago, Witnessed ET said:

I know it’s ridiculous to constantly bring up the “BTS and BP are not relevant with the American gp” thing when it comes to their streams and sales in the country, but at the end of the day, it’s still a valid discussion in the sense that their numbers are sky high but their mainstream familiarity is still not there yet. 

I guess it is a valid discussion but it's been circlejerked into oblivion at this point, kinda tired of it tbh when everyone just argues over their anecdotes. Globally, BTS members are more known than 90% of celebrities outside of true A/S listers. And they (along with BP members) remain lightyears ahead of other kpop idols in that regard 

 

 

7 minutes ago, kendoll2001 said:

 

perfect timing thank you king 

[Sheep]

58 minutes ago, Zack said:

Not you wasting time out of your day to type this garbage. 

 

The slave contract exists, it's undeniable that they force their idols to stay beyond 7 years. It was even confirmed in court when Luhan, Tao and Kris tried to sue and get out. Not to mention, f(x), who had to wait to 2019 to leave, when we all know some of them wanted to leave sooner (see Krystal and Amber...and Victoria). 

 

Also my comments were not based on "fiction" but reported statements from SM in the media. 

 

https://v.daum.net/v/20230717091220601

Not you thinking I'm going to let it slide that you called my post garbage. If you want to be an ass then lets go there.

 

You're a bitter ex-stan who interrupted a conversation about BTS contract renewals to repost your verifiably false contract conspiracy theory whose sole source is a YA fiction novel written by a disgruntled former employee. The real waste here is you waiting every day for an opportunity to spew bullshite about SM because of a victim complex where you think the boogeyman has sabotaged your mediocre fav who in reality just makes bad business/career choices at every turn and has sunk far, far below her peak popularity(and moral standards) while the rest of the group has more or less retained theirs. International retail presence and a global book deal with S&S could not help her, the issue really isn't SM, it's her own complete lack of noteworthiness outside of as a supporting member of something bigger. How dare you mock me for "wasting time out of my day" when you're letting yourself turn into the weaboo version of Qanon and looking for any excuse to spread misinformation. Go back to twitter and try to hide news of Jessica's crumbling fashion business, word is starting to get out outside of OT8 twitter and you might be able to gaslight better on a website where there isn't a 10 year log of your hypocrisy and delusions.

 

Now that that's out of the way let me make some things clear for the other people reading this thread(because I'm sure you already know the truth and were lying intentionally).

• Zack said SM was boasting about "longer than 10 year contracts". This is false, the contract term is 10 years.
  • This is because of outside activity(ie: fleeing to china and going solo) and military service, this length is to ensure that they are active for a whole 7 years in Korea.
  • The same court that made 7 years the maximum contract length has held up this "10 year" contract term
    • Tao's lawsuit was specifically about the "misleading" contract length, he unequivocally lost and was under contract with SM until last year.
• 10 years is still at or below the average contract term length for a mainstream recording artist
  • In the west these contracts are signed for x number of albums.
    • Most often 5 albums, and with the 2-3 year album cycle the average contract is 10-15 years.
• There is no proof of ANY female group debuted after the 7 year contract term was enforced being forced to renew.
  • f(x) was publicly talking about their future plans as a group as reports were circulating about their contract renewals in 2016 and they even reunited at SMtown in 2019 by choice, far from "slavery".
  • Red Velvet publicly confirmed contract renewals in 2021.
  • aespa hasn't said a damn word because they're not even 3 years in.
  • NONE of the SNSD members who have left SM ever corroborated this bizarre conspiracy theory.
• Again SM is an EVIL company and there are plenty of things to discuss, this just isn't one of them.

Edited September 20, 2023 by Century

[Mitsuki]

3 hours ago, xrosup said:

Lee Know, Hyunjin and Seungmin were involved in a minor car accident

 

 

 

I'm wishing the kings a speed recovery. Traffic accidents are so scary, It's a relief nothing very serious happened and they can go home to rest. 

[Mitsuki]

3RACHA has their own discography. It's easier to put them to perform on the Festival than adjusting the ot8 performances to only 5 members in 2 days. 

At least Felix and I.N can also rest these days. Stray Kids schedules are almost inhumane. 

[ANTIclimatic]

1 hour ago, Odette Violet said:

Tiffany did actually said that it took them 5 years to planned their 15th Anniversary and they all fought for FOREVER1 to be an album bc SM's misygonistic ass would've had given them as a single 

The way they consistently give their female idols less 

 

[Sheep]

Not to mention that if ANY idol wanted to, they could just go to college and get a real job like a normal person. It just wouldn't be able to be in entertainment for 10 years from their debut date because SM is entitled to a cut of any earnings made off of their investment into training and marketing.

[Odette Violet]

2 minutes ago, ANTIclimatic said:

The way they consistently give their female idols less 

 

Controlling pigs. 

[ANTIclimatic]

1 hour ago, Odette Violet said:

They would for their sausages 

 

 

The only contribution they prolly provided were the recording and dance studios. Other than that,  everything was done by the Hags 

 

 

Which is funny af because with all the sm family media play they have going on and their reluctance to disbanding their older groups you'd think they would actually put some effort to provide for the group that their company is known for.

 

[hallucinate]

3 hours ago, katyberry said:

Min Heejin making Newjeans promote Taehyung's album instead letting them cover other songs

nnnn right 

i thought i was the only one who noticed it 

[BTS]

JYP after suspending Felix & IN without pay this morning:

[Sheep]

17 minutes ago, ANTIclimatic said:

Which is funny af because with all the sm family media play they have going on and their reluctance to disbanding their older groups you'd think they would actually put some effort to provide for the group that their company is known for.

 

In reality Kenzie and Lee Sooman hand-crafted the album with the SNSD members and made sure every song was made just for them instead of the generic demo using that usually happens for an SM album that's expected to not crack 1m sales. They even let Fany and SY into the creative process. Idk why we're posting lies about SM when we can talk about the time the company put the girls in Nazi costumes or didn't let them sleep for 3 days straight. This was quite possibly the most documented album cycle in kpop history, even their early private meetings were public knowledge.

Edited September 20, 2023 by Century

[motherpills]

speaking of forever 1, best bside goes to....

slightly unrelated slay

 

[Odette Violet]

Huge applause for Giselle for finishing that song despite the adversaries and blatant misogyny. 

 

 

Reminds me back how Seohyun and Tiffany had a lot of songs they wrote for the group, only for SM to throw it in the bin 

[Sheep]

7 minutes ago, motherpills said:

speaking of forever 1, best bside goes to....

slightly unrelated slay

 

My ult did THAT. Stiff is NEVER beating the generational artist allegations.

[Zack]

18 minutes ago, Century said:

Not you thinking I'm going to let it slide that you called my post garbage. If you want to be an ass then lets go there.

 

You're a bitter ex-stan who interrupted a conversation about BTS contract renewals to repost your verifiably false contract conspiracy theory whose sole source is a YA fiction novel written by a disgruntled former employee. The real waste here is you waiting every day for an opportunity to spew bullshite about SM because of a victim complex where you think the boogeyman has sabotaged your mediocre fav who in reality just makes bad business/career choices at every turn and has sunk far, far below her peak popularity(and moral standards) while the rest of the group has more or less retained theirs. International retail presence and a global book deal with S&S could not help her, the issue really isn't SM, it's her own complete lack of noteworthiness outside of as a supporting member of something bigger. How dare you mock me for "wasting time out of my day" when you're letting yourself turn into the weaboo version of Qanon and looking for any excuse to spread misinformation. Go back to twitter and try to hide news of Jessica's crumbling fashion business, word is starting to get out outside of OT8 twitter and you might be able to gaslight better on a website where there isn't a 10 year log of your hypocrisy and delusions.

Sweetie, you have hijacked this conversation to launch attacks at Jessica who was not even mentioned, until you shoehorned her into this conversation. It's incredibly transparent and bizarre. This wall of text from you is proof enough of that.

 

Especially, as you have made previous posts decrying misogyny but then go and do this (also noting your past of calling her a plastic monster disfigured by surgery and other disgusting comments about her appearance, accusing her of being a criminal etc.). This conversation has nothing to do with Jessica so save your vitriol for somewhere else where people care to listen to it. I won't be entertaining it.

 

18 minutes ago, Century said:

 

Now that that's out of the way let me make some things clear for the other people reading this thread(because I'm sure you already know the truth and were lying intentionally).

• Zack said SM was boasting about "longer than 10 year contracts". This is false, the contract term is 10 years.
  • This is because of outside activity(ie: fleeing to china and going solo) and military service, this length is to ensure that they are active for a whole 7 years in Korea.
  • The same court that made 7 years the maximum contract length has held up this "10 year" contract term
    • Tao's lawsuit was specifically about the "misleading" contract length, he unequivocally lost and was under contract with SM until last year.

This is factually incorrect. The contract is of a 7 year term (Korean legal maximum according to FTC rulings) plus a 3 year extension for additional activities. SM was served a notice by the FTC, to revise ALL their idol contracts to 7 years in length going forward. The contract should not have still been 10 years in length, but for the fact they are using a loophole that they now openly tout.

 

18 minutes ago, Century said:

• 10 years is still at or below the average contract term length for a mainstream recording artist
  • In the west these contracts are signed for x number of albums.
    • Most often 5 albums, and with the 2-3 year album cycle the average contract is 10-15 years.

How contracts operate in the West, under completely different legal systems is irrelevant.

 

18 minutes ago, Century said:

• There is no proof of ANY female group debuted after the 7 year contract term was enforced being forced to renew.
  • f(x) was publicly talking about their future plans as a group as reports were circulating about their contract renewals in 2016 and they even reunited at SMtown in 2019 by choice, far from "slavery".

Perhaps you can give us the names of all the SM idols in the past decade who have been able to leave the company at the 7 year mark...

 

Since you're insinuating they were able to leave freely at that point...? 

 

As for f(x), Amber for example was publicly not happy and posted rants on Instagram about mistreatment and being unhappy for a long time, it doesn't fit that she'd say this just 1 year after "renewing" if she'd had the choice. They were all still locked under contract until 2019 at the earliest, so the rest of your post is again, irrelevant.

 

They reunited at SMTOWN 2019 because their contracts were starting to expire at that point and it was the last opportunity to perform together, hence the obvious emotion in the performance. 

 

18 minutes ago, Century said:

• • Red Velvet publicly confirmed contract renewals in 2021.

No official statement was made about the members renewing in 2021.

 

In fact, the first we've heard of RV's "renewals" was a few weeks ago when SM had to clarify that Seulgi was still under contract. They have also made no comment on the rumors of Irene not renewing and progressed to announce a full group comeback, likely because she still has contract time till 2024 i.e. 10 years.

 

18 minutes ago, Century said:

• • aespa hasn't said a damn word because they're not even 3 years in.
  • NONE of the SNSD members who have left SM ever corroborated this bizarre conspiracy theory.

The members of SNSD don't make any statements at all on these kinds of topics, there are other elephants in the room they've never addressed, so this is again...irrelevant. 

 

18 minutes ago, Century said:

• Again SM is an EVIL company and there are plenty of things to discuss, this just isn't one of them.

It is indeed something to discuss, it is the K-Pop thread after all and it concerns a major K-Pop company and many well known idols. Personally I'm not willing to just gloss over potential exploitation or unfair practises so easily, or try to militantly close down any discussion about it. 

[ANTIclimatic]

16 minutes ago, Odette Violet said:

Huge applause for Giselle for finishing that song despite the adversaries and blatant misogyny. 

 

 

Reminds me back how Seohyun and Tiffany had a lot of songs they wrote for the group, only for SM to throw it in the bin 

Not only are they misogynistic but also xenophobic. Wayv’s kun was supposed to have an nct lab coming out recently just for him to tell the fans that it’s going to be a remix not an original song. Mind you they’ve been suggesting that it was going to be an original song like literally all the other nct labs are but then they switched up. He even had songs ready but they decided to go with a remix of a group song. Something tells me he wouldn’t have this issue if he was Korean.

 

 

Edited September 20, 2023 by ANTIclimatic

[Witnessed ET]

47 minutes ago, armink said:

I guess it is a valid discussion but it's been circlejerked into oblivion at this point, kinda tired of it tbh when everyone just argues over their anecdotes. Globally, BTS members are more known than 90% of celebrities outside of true A/S listers. And they (along with BP members) remain lightyears ahead of other kpop idols in that regard 

 

 

perfect timing thank you king 

Yeah we know their profile is higher than other idols in the kpop world, but my comment was not about that. In any way, people will keep bringing up that discussion because of the growing disconnect between the ever-increasing kpop fanbase-fueled numbers and the regular gp. And honestly it’s a given tbh. 

[Gorjesspazze9]

27 minutes ago, Century said:

My ult did THAT. Stiff is NEVER beating the generational artist allegations.

Im so serious when I say Tiffany should compose a song for Aespa. They would have snapped on a DJ Tiff Beat 

[Sheep]

25 minutes ago, Zack said:

Sweetie, you have hijacked this conversation to launch attacks at Jessica who was not even mentioned, until you shoehorned her into this conversation. It's incredibly transparent and bizarre. This wall of text from you is proof enough of that.

Your obsession with this conspiracy theory comes from a line in Jessica Jung's fiction book about having pre-signed and future dated 3-year contract extensions  in a vault somewhere in Europe(which would be easy to prove and very illegal for Tao's lawsuit, he sued before the 7 year mark, genius ). You regularly engage in trying to circulate this and other passages from that book as factual(except for the problematic ones in which case you are more than happy to concede that the books are a work of fiction). You did not take a personally invested interest in SM's contracts before that point. Me seeing through your motivations is not me hijacking a conversation to launch attacks at Jessica.

 

25 minutes ago, Zack said:

Especially, as you have made previous posts decrying misogyny but then go and do this (also noting your past of calling her a plastic monster disfigured by surgery and other disgusting comments about her appearance, accusing her of being a criminal etc.). This conversation has nothing to do with Jessica so save your vitriol for somewhere else where people care to listen to it. I won't be entertaining it.

Jawsica is not a name I came up with, I'm not the one of the several whose sued her for breech of contract or her man for fraud, and I'm not the one who put her lies about SNSD into print either on Weibo in 2014 or in her little books, I'm not the one who caused her career to decline massively over the years. None of this originates from me. What does originate from a user here is this constructed narrative of more than 10 year slave contracts for aespa based off of a report on NCT technically having 10 year contracts.

 

25 minutes ago, Zack said:

How contracts operate in the West, under completely different legal systems is irrelevant.

 

When you're alleging misconduct and even slavery, pointing out that these contracts are actually progressive is relevant information, you just don't like that it pokes a hole in your fantasy world.

 

25 minutes ago, Zack said:

This is factually incorrect. The contract is of a 7 year term (Korean legal maximum according to FTC rulings) plus a 3 year extension for additional activities. SM was served a notice by the FTC, to revise ALL their idol contracts to 7 years in length going forward. The contract should not have still been 10 years in length, but for the fact they are using a loophole that they now openly tout.

The contract length is the specific reason Tao sued for. The contract lengths were scrutinized in court and were held up. Don't blame me for the Korean legal system not aligning with your story. I'm not the one being factually incorrect here. If SM was doing something illegal they wouldn't openly discuss it in press releases.

 

25 minutes ago, Zack said:

Perhaps you can give us the names of all the SM idols in the past decade who have been able to leave the company at the 7 year mark...

Your own fav leaving SM in 2015? These mental gymnastics are getting so severe you're forgetting the person you decided to start going qanon over. Where's your example of an SM idol saying "I wanted to leave at the 7 year mark but SM Entertainment wouldn't let me". Even if Jessica didn't exist I wouldn't be the one with the burden of proof here, you're the one making serious allegations.

 

25 minutes ago, Zack said:

As for f(x), Amber for example was publicly not happy and posted rants on Instagram about mistreatment and being unhappy for a long time, it doesn't fit that she'd say this just 1 year after "renewing" if she'd had the choice. They were all still locked under contract until 2019 at the earliest, so the rest of your post is again, irrelevant.

Amber was mad that the company didn't support her and her group more, she has NEVER said she was forced to stay there. She also had the opportunity to just do nothing after f(x) went on hiatus but continued working. You keep on making leaps in logic because you started with a conclusion that was spoon-fed to you in a work of FICTION and have been working backwards from it.

 

25 minutes ago, Zack said:

No official statement was made about the members renewing in 2021.

 

This I was wrong about. They renewed without a public statement. I thought I remembered a press release about it though.

25 minutes ago, Zack said:

The members of SNSD don't make any statements at all on these kinds of topics, there are other elephants in the room they've never addressed, so this is again...irrelevant. 

SNSD openly talk about a lot of the things they endured at their peak, including times where their management endangered their health and how the company wasn't a good fit for their goals. Jessica is only an elephant in the room in your head, everybody else involved has moved on.

25 minutes ago, Zack said:

It is indeed something to discuss, it is the K-Pop thread after all and it concerns a major K-Pop company and many well known idols. Personally I'm not willing to just gloss over potential exploitation or unfair practises so easily, or try to militantly close down any discussion about it. 

Passing off your delusions as fact is indeed worthy of discussion, but not in the way you want it to be. 

 

You lied, got caught, and were dragged for the obvious motivation for your lying comments. Still waiting on ANY proof of an over 10 year contract btw. Not even TVXQ alleged that, that one was a Zack original. 

Edited September 20, 2023 by Century