NoMythologies Posted June 2, 2017 Posted June 2, 2017 I truly don't understand why women can't get a hit these days. The songs by solo female acts this year have spent a measly 10 weeks in the top 10. By comparison, solo males have spent a combined 70 weeks in the top 10 already. On top of that 34 males or male fronted acts have cracked the top 10 vs only 10 female acts. Like the discrepancy is ridiculous. I've thought about it quite a bit the past couple years but it seems to be getting more and more lopsided. There's lots of factors I'm sure but it's quite a head scratcher. I don't really get it. And people will come in saying quality wins and all that but that's certainly not it. There's a **** song by at least one male in the top 10 every week. So, what's up? I can only assume it has something to do with what we expect from our female pop stars and who the labels are really putting their money behind. But there's more to it than that for sure.
Ivan_brit Posted June 2, 2017 Posted June 2, 2017 The predictions of this week are so boring The Top 20 is basically the same all last month releaseases falling At this point Despacito would stay at #1 all june is there any big release comming?
fridayteenage Posted June 2, 2017 Posted June 2, 2017 (edited) The females with at least a trio of T3 hits in the streaming era (2013+): Goddess Taylor Alison Swift Rihanna Iggy Interesting trinity. Edited June 2, 2017 by fridayteenage
NoMythologies Posted June 3, 2017 Posted June 3, 2017 13 minutes ago, ChartsFan said: An unbalanced formula that favours streaming, which is dominated by male rap/hip hop artists. snd because streaming is so prevalent and worth about half the chart points, radio and labels are focusing on those types of acts to profit. it is most certainly not what the average GP person is listening to. I guess I just don't get why streaming favors men so much. Demographics supposedly? But even then... it's totally strange. Like, 3 years ago Iggy was breaking records on Spotify. I feel an artist like her couldn't come close to the top spot now. I don't know what changed.
slw84 Posted June 3, 2017 Posted June 3, 2017 21 minutes ago, ChartsFan said: An unbalanced formula that favours streaming, which is dominated by male rap/hip hop artists. snd because streaming is so prevalent and worth about half the chart points, radio and labels are focusing on those types of acts to profit. it is most certainly not what the average GP person is listening to. Truth It's become hot 100 (Millenials/Generation Z edition) with the percentage breakdown.
slw84 Posted June 3, 2017 Posted June 3, 2017 9 minutes ago, NoMythologies said: I guess I just don't get why streaming favors men so much. Demographics supposedly? But even then... it's totally strange. Like, 3 years ago Iggy was breaking records on Spotify. I feel an artist like her couldn't come close to the top spot now. I don't know what changed. Well there's always a shift every x amount of years anyways and I think more than any decade the 2000s/2010s showed such an oversaturation of female pop stars that were able to get hits but missed/lacked a certain quality and eventually people grow from being tired to annoyed.
NoMythologies Posted June 3, 2017 Posted June 3, 2017 I guess it just bugs me that just because women have as many hits as men, it's considered oversaturation to the point there's an entire shift against a gender's favor. I mean, there was never a time where the charts were mostly women. Sure, a few spattering of weeks of 'female domination.' But women have never dominated the way men are right now. I guess I just take away from this that, obviously, the public has way higher standards for women than men.
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Planet Mars Posted June 3, 2017 Posted June 3, 2017 48 minutes ago, ChartsFan said: An unbalanced formula that favours streaming, which is dominated by male rap/hip hop artists. snd because streaming is so prevalent and worth about half the chart points, radio and labels are focusing on those types of acts to profit. it is most certainly not what the average GP person is listening to. Billboard has never had a fair or balanced formula so y'all can get over it. Seeing so much Hip-hop on the charts has some of y'all triggered AF.
NoMythologies Posted June 3, 2017 Posted June 3, 2017 11 minutes ago, Planet Mars said: Billboard has never had a fair or balanced formula so y'all can get over it. Seeing so much Hip-hop on the charts has some of y'all triggered AF. People always say this but it's not true. Not for me, at least. I love seeing so much hip hop on the charts. And I get it's a more male dominated genre but I just don't understand why it's 100% male at the top. It's not like Nicki has ever pulled impressive #'s on Spotify.
Planet Mars Posted June 3, 2017 Posted June 3, 2017 21 minutes ago, NoMythologies said: People always say this but it's not true. Not for me, at least. I love seeing so much hip hop on the charts. And I get it's a more male dominated genre but I just don't understand why it's 100% male at the top. It's not like Nicki has ever pulled impressive #'s on Spotify. Maybe the GP hot tired of the pop girl domination on the charts.
jose168 Posted June 3, 2017 Posted June 3, 2017 i mean. y'all would have a point if 80% of the top 20 on itunes wasnt men as well. We just need some strong urban female contenders to come swinging
NoMythologies Posted June 3, 2017 Posted June 3, 2017 6 minutes ago, jose168 said: i mean. y'all would have a point if 80% of the top 20 on itunes wasnt men as well. We just need some strong urban female contenders to come swinging I keep telling myself the same thing but what urban female act is blowing up on Spotify? I mean, there are literally 6 female artists in the spotify top 50. Even urban female artists don't seem to stream all that well. 18 minutes ago, Planet Mars said: Maybe the GP hot tired of the pop girl domination on the charts. I hate to admit it but I think there's some truth to this. But I just find it so sexist. Like we seriously have such a reaction against female pop stars that it reflects itself so heavily on the charts? I feel like our standards for female pop stars is just higher than ever. I know this is an impossible point to argue but I absolutely can not see the female version of a song like I'm the One dominating the charts in the same way.
jose168 Posted June 3, 2017 Posted June 3, 2017 1 minute ago, NoMythologies said: I keep telling myself the same thing but what urban female act is blowing up on Spotify? I mean, there are literally 6 female artists in the spotify top 50. Even urban female artists don't seem to stream all that well. I hate to admit it but I think there's some truth to this. But I just find it so sexist. Like we seriously have such a reaction against female pop stars that it reflects itself so heavily on the charts? I feel like our standards for female pop stars is just higher than ever. I know this is an impossible point to argue but I absolutely can not see the female version of a song like I'm the One dominating the charts in the same way. there arent any urban females. Just nicki who's... questionable career choices have made people not take her seriously as an urban act. same for iggy. Rihanna did well. besides that most women in "urban" are rnb which is still a dead genre sadly
NoMythologies Posted June 3, 2017 Posted June 3, 2017 2 minutes ago, jose168 said: there arent any urban females. Just nicki who's... questionable career choices have made people not take her seriously as an urban act. same for iggy. Rihanna did well. besides that most women in "urban" are rnb which is still a dead genre sadly Well, I know artists like Nicki, Remy Ma or Missy have never been too strong on streaming. But yeah, there's very few high profile female hip hop artists. I love seeing all the hip hop on the charts but I'm just like... when are things gonna trend in favor of women again? If Spotify is the future and there's no high profile female hip hop acts, when are we gonna see our next female led smash? Like... I feel like it could be years at this point. It's already been a year since the last female led #1 hit. And since then we've had one (one solitary song!) that was female fronted that was strong enough to go top 3 (IDWLF).
alestevens Posted June 3, 2017 Posted June 3, 2017 The charts are male-dominated because males are indeed dominating in music. It's not because of Billboard's formula, it's just a reflection of what happens among the society at large!
NoMythologies Posted June 3, 2017 Posted June 3, 2017 Meh. The whole thing has just been on my mind a lot lately. And it's quite troubling if you dwell on it enough. In this era of equality and diversity and all that, it's sad to me that people aren't giving more women a chance. And I just can't help but shake this fear that our next female led #1 hit is gonna be like 8 years from now or something, lol. I know people will probably roll their eyes at me for that. But it's been a year already and there's no sign of any kind of shift in the near future. And I'm pretty sure a year straight of men at the top is a record already. Hell, it's been almost a year already since the Halsey assisted Closer. And 2017 could very well end up the first year where not a single female artist is featured on any of the #1 hits. Like... wtf is that? If this was the other way around there would be articles every week about th absud amount of female domination.
QueenofCopyPaste Posted June 3, 2017 Posted June 3, 2017 4 minutes ago, NoMythologies said: Meh. The whole thing has just been on my mind a lot lately. And it's quite troubling if you dwell on it enough. In this era of equality and diversity and all that, it's sad to me that people aren't giving more women a chance. And I just can't help but shake this fear that our next female led #1 hit is gonna be like 8 years from now or something, lol. I know people will probably roll their eyes at me for that. But it's been a year already and there's no sign of any kind of shift in the near future. And I'm pretty sure a year straight of men at the top is a record already. Hell, it's been almost a year already since the Halsey assisted Closer. And 2017 could very well end up the first year where not a single female artist is featured on any of the #1 hits. Like... wtf is that? If this was the other way around there would be articles every week about th absud amount of female domination. Taylor, Rihanna and Adele have the highest chances from the popgirls
NoMythologies Posted June 3, 2017 Posted June 3, 2017 2 minutes ago, J-boy said: Taylor, Rihanna and Adele have the highest chances from the popgirls And those have been the only exceptions recently. And 2 of those artists don't put their music on Spotify. And I really question how big their next eras will be. Taylor ain't getting more than a week at top if she refuses spotify. Adele, I think, will always sell albums but I could easily see her hot 100 chart topping days behind her. Rihanna is the wild card. But Rihanna can't be the only female artist to smash on Spotify. That's just absurd. No matter how true it may be.
Rotunda Posted June 3, 2017 Posted June 3, 2017 (edited) Honestly who cares about male domination? I feel like a lot of people are projecting their own insecurities about gender dynamics into the music industry. The simple fact is that the viable women that could be ruling the charts have not been delivering strong music (Joanne lacked GP-friendly singles, Katy's music this era isn't good, Rih/Adele is on break, Taylor isn't here yet, Lorde waited too long), and ATRL is fairly out of touch when it comes to what the bulk of the population considers good music. Within the urban genre, there aren't a lot of prominent women to begin with, so it's not a surprise they aren't dominating. A lot of potential artists (like Kehlani, Tinashe, or SZA) are really still trying to break through. It was just a few years ago where everyone was saying urban was dying, and yet here it is. Female rappers are few and far between largely due to the fact that the industry has decided to fully pin everything on Nicki. Edited June 3, 2017 by Rotunda
QueenofCopyPaste Posted June 3, 2017 Posted June 3, 2017 Just now, NoMythologies said: And those have been the only exceptions recently. And 2 of those artists don't put their music on Spotify. And I really question how big their next eras will be. Taylor ain't getting more than a week at top if she refuses spotify. Adele, I think, will always sell albums but I could easily see her hot 100 chart topping days behind her. Rihanna is the wild card. But Rihanna can't be the only female artist to smash on Spotify. That's just absurd. No matter how true it may be. Adele's lead will definitely smash again, at least Alessia Cara is fairly doing well there
Rico Shameless v2 Posted June 3, 2017 Posted June 3, 2017 21 minutes ago, ChartsFan said: It's not about hiphop. If the formula favoured country's or jazz, or rock, or any genre as heavily as it does hiphop, we'd be saying the exact same thing but shout hoe those genres are favoured. and if you look throughout history of the hot 100, no matter what the current trend was, disco, new wave, you'll see more than a healthy dose of non disco or non new wave songs cheating well. So the formula hadn't been so unbalanced over the years. Unbalanced yes, but nit as ridiculous as it is now. The formula favors streaming which just happens to favor streaming. There wasn't all this concer when digital sales began to favor mainstream songs and urban music couldn't break through without crossing over to pop. So no, if the girls were dominating like they did the early late 00s/early 10s there wouldn't be much fuss.
NoMythologies Posted June 3, 2017 Posted June 3, 2017 Just now, J-boy said: Adele's lead will definitely smash again, at least Alessia Cara is fairly doing well there That's just so sad, lol. I guess we'll just wait for Adele's next album in like 6 years and try to be satisfied with Alesia Cara's radio driven hits.
NoMythologies Posted June 3, 2017 Posted June 3, 2017 3 minutes ago, Rico Shameless v2 said: The formula favors streaming which just happens to favor streaming. There wasn't all this concer when digital sales began to favor mainstream songs and urban music couldn't break through without crossing over to pop. So no, if the girls were dominating like they did the early late 00s/early 10s there wouldn't be much fuss. There's not really a fuss tho. Don't you see? Aside from occasional comments and discussions like these, nobody seems to mind that the charts are like 80% male right now, which is absurd. I mean, I'm not saying it's inaccurate or anything. But I do think there's some weird shift in the industry that is cometely shutting women out. And the reason I'm troubled by it is because the trend started in the beginning of 2015 and it's only getting more and more lopsided.
Planet Mars Posted June 3, 2017 Posted June 3, 2017 56 minutes ago, ChartsFan said: It's not about hiphop. If the formula favoured country's or jazz, or rock, or any genre as heavily as it does hiphop, we'd be saying the exact same thing but shout hoe those genres are favoured. and if you look throughout history of the hot 100, no matter what the current trend was, disco, new wave, you'll see more than a healthy dose of non disco or non new wave songs cheating well. So the formula hadn't been so unbalanced over the years. Unbalanced yes, but nit as ridiculous as it is now. Um...no The charts were not better balanced in the past and there's lots of variety on them today. Maybe you mean 2004 when every song to top the chart was Urban? Or maybe 2011/2012 when pop was all that hit the #1 spot? The charts are diverse today, I mean we have a Spanish song at #1, Hip-hop, pop, country, rock and adult contemporary type ballads all in the top 20. What do you mean no diversity?
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