Mikeymoonshine Posted December 9, 2022 Posted December 9, 2022 She really is the worst. I remember when people used to stan her, it's like Tulsi levels of dishonesty when it comes to her persona.
Bears01 Posted December 9, 2022 Posted December 9, 2022 If she thinks this will help her chances in 2024, she’s fooling herself. MAGATs ain’t coming to save her either, they dislike her just as much as Dems do
Bears01 Posted December 9, 2022 Posted December 9, 2022 20 minutes ago, TheLastChord said: Democrats could also, you know, not run anyone and she could still lose. Aside from the Centrists ™ do you see a lot of more left leaning Arizona voters going out of their way to vote for a Manchin-like candidate. And in 2024 the entire GOP will be behind their candidate, be it Lake or not, because it's a presidential election year. So, there's virtually NO shot of this really going Sinema's way, or the Democrat's way to be honest. This is mostly a terrible and selfish political calculation on her part to avoid losing a primary. She'll still lose the seat in 2024 but it'll go to a Republican. Ruben Gallego (the most likely candidate to run on the dem side) won his district this year, by 4 points higher than Biden did in 2020. He’s a Latino combat veteran, something that Arizona would swoon over. If the GOP runs outgoing Republican governor Doug Ducey, I can see it being a challenge, but if they run a MAGA loser like Kari Lake or Kelli Ward, Gallego will still win. Arizona doesn’t like MAGA
ClashAndBurn Posted December 9, 2022 Posted December 9, 2022 3 hours ago, Ms. Togekiss said: I can’t wait for the day she’s voted OUT of congress like the loser she is She can’t be now. If the Democrats field a candidate in the general, they split the field and the Republican candidate will be given an easy path to victory, whether it’s Doug Ducey or Kari Lake.
Vermillion Posted December 9, 2022 Posted December 9, 2022 18 minutes ago, Bears01 said: Arizona doesn’t like MAGA Are you arguing McCain Republicans still hold more sway and power within the Arizona GOP than MAGA? Because I'd disagree.
Bears01 Posted December 9, 2022 Posted December 9, 2022 5 minutes ago, Espresso said: Are you arguing McCain Republicans still hold more sway and power within the Arizona GOP than MAGA? Because I'd disagree. But the voters don’t. Independents especially (there’s literally data that shows this just from this election). If a MAGA candidate is on the ballot, I can imagine independents falling in line with whoever the dem nominee is to keep them OUT. Now, If it’s your regular run of the mill/boring candidate like Ducey or Karin Taylor Robinson……yeah that seat is gone
Vermillion Posted December 9, 2022 Posted December 9, 2022 4 minutes ago, Bears01 said: But the voters don’t. Independents especially (there’s literally data that shows this just from this election). If a MAGA candidate is on the ballot, I can imagine independents falling in line with whoever the dem nominee is to keep them OUT. Now, If it’s your regular run of the mill/boring candidate like Ducey or Karin Taylor Robinson……yeah that seat is gone The Arizona GOP Primary is a toss-up at this point. I'd say the Arizona GOP is evenly divided between the McCain and MAGA wings.
ClashAndBurn Posted December 9, 2022 Posted December 9, 2022 What needs to happen now is Manchin should swap parties (no way he wins as a Democrat in 2024) and Sinema declare intent to caucus with them to give McConnell the majority, just to make this even more of a shitshow than it already was. Invalidating all the celebrations of Democrats defying history would be the perfect punishment for them to inflict on us for re-electing Warnock! (in case it’s not clear, /s)
Harrier Posted December 9, 2022 Posted December 9, 2022 Predictable. She's seen those primary numbers. Can't wait till she LOSES in 2024
Bears01 Posted December 9, 2022 Posted December 9, 2022 12 minutes ago, ClashAndBurn said: What needs to happen now is Manchin should swap parties (no way he wins as a Democrat in 2024) and Sinema declare intent to caucus with them to give McConnell the majority, just to make this even more of a shitshow than it already was. Invalidating all the celebrations of Democrats defying history would be the perfect punishment for them to inflict on us for re-electing Warnock! (in case it’s not clear, /s) As much as Manchin sucks, he just got appointed to a leadership position. Rs lobbied him heavy to switch parties this summer (like HEAVY) and he said at worst, he’d do what Sinema is now doing: register as an Independent who caucuses with Democrats. He’s not switching parties, especially because him and Mcconell are on the record for hating each other
ClashAndBurn Posted December 9, 2022 Posted December 9, 2022 Neoliberals unironically defending this with “she’s voted more with Biden than Bernie Sanders has”
ClashAndBurn Posted December 9, 2022 Posted December 9, 2022 7 minutes ago, Bears01 said: As much as Manchin sucks, he just got appointed to a leadership position. Rs lobbied him heavy to switch parties this summer (like HEAVY) and he said at worst, he’d do what Sinema is now doing: register as an Independent who caucuses with Democrats. He’s not switching parties, especially because him and Mcconell are on the record for hating each other Skeptical of the idea that this matters. By flipping control to the Republicans and nullifying Dems’ victory, they could both be rewarded handsomely and could be Manchin’s only realistic path to re-election. They’d both have to do it though, because there’s nothing to be gained from only one defection.
Bears01 Posted December 9, 2022 Posted December 9, 2022 23 minutes ago, ClashAndBurn said: Skeptical of the idea that this matters. By flipping control to the Republicans and nullifying Dems’ victory, they could both be rewarded handsomely and could be Manchin’s only realistic path to re-election. They’d both have to do it though, because there’s nothing to be gained from only one defection. ….that’s not gonna happen. Manchin is toast in 24 no matter what. If he switched to “R”, he’d get primaried no matter what, especially if Trump is running the show in 24. He voted to remove him from office twice if there was any chance of him surviving politically by switching to “R”, he’d have done that right before Democrats took control of the senate in 2021.
ATRL Moderator Bloo Posted December 9, 2022 ATRL Moderator Posted December 9, 2022 Strange. I very vividly remember being told that the Democratic Party couldn't put public pressure on Sinema and that they had to be nice to her or else she'd switch parties. This is surprising to no one. The unfortunate part is that she will build on the narrative that the Democratic Party is too extreme and far gone to the "woke left" and she's the reasonable moderate trying to expand the middle. While it's complete bull, it's a narrative mainstream media loves to perpetuate.
ClashAndBurn Posted December 9, 2022 Posted December 9, 2022 Ah, yes. The least surprising centrist take. Progressives are to blame, as always.
Bears01 Posted December 9, 2022 Posted December 9, 2022 45 minutes ago, Bloo said: Strange. I very vividly remember being told that the Democratic Party couldn't put public pressure on Sinema and that they had to be nice to her or else she'd switch parties. This is surprising to no one. The unfortunate part is that she will build on the narrative that the Democratic Party is too extreme and far gone to the "woke left" and she's the reasonable moderate trying to expand the middle. While it's complete bull, it's a narrative mainstream media loves to perpetuate. She was instrumental in getting a bill passed that codified same sex marriage into law, and was crying on stage about it, a mere week ago if anybody buys that bs from the media, they are…..I don’t even know what to say 23 minutes ago, ClashAndBurn said: Ah, yes. The least surprising centrist take. Progressives are to blame, as always. I think a ton of voters are waking up to how full of crap the “centrist” media is. “Resist” Libs aren’t sprinting to CNN to get their information nowadays
GhostBox Posted December 9, 2022 Posted December 9, 2022 2 hours ago, ClashAndBurn said: She can’t be now. If the Democrats field a candidate in the general, they split the field and the Republican candidate will be given an easy path to victory, whether it’s Doug Ducey or Kari Lake. Ah she needs to go. If that means Dems lose so be it
ClashAndBurn Posted December 9, 2022 Posted December 9, 2022 33 minutes ago, GhostBox said: Ah she needs to go. If that means Dems lose so be it Well, the other seats Dems have to defend next cycle are Ohio, WV and Montana, so losing the Senate seems pretty baked in, especially with Trump at the top of the ballot in those states. On that note, Sotomayor needs to retire. Doubt that she will, and Hillary stans will screech like they did about RBG when she willingly gave Republicans a 6-3 majority on SCOTUS for likely the rest of my lifetime. but this will be the last chance a Democrat will have to replace her for the next 16 years most likely.
Bears01 Posted December 9, 2022 Posted December 9, 2022 5 minutes ago, ClashAndBurn said: Well, the other seats Dems have to defend next cycle are Ohio, WV and Montana, so losing the Senate seems pretty baked in, especially with Trump at the top of the ballot in those states. On that note, Sotomayor needs to retire. Doubt that she will, and Hillary stans will screech like they did about RBG when she willingly gave Republicans a 6-3 majority on SCOTUS for likely the rest of my lifetime. but this will be the last chance a Democrat will have to replace her for the next 16 years most likely. I won’t count out tester and brown, but Manchin is DOA, and AZ is probably gone too. Sinema was losing that seat no matter what, she’s probably the weakest incumbent Senator I’ve ever seen
Sazare Posted December 9, 2022 Posted December 9, 2022 6 hours ago, Gui Blackout said: Why is she still pretending she's not a Republican? She’s not a Republican. She’s just a grifter who’ll vote however the biggest donor tells her to
Vermillion Posted December 9, 2022 Posted December 9, 2022 And there it is....like clockwork. If he faces MAGA, he's got a small shot. If he faces a standard neocon, it's over.
ClashAndBurn Posted December 9, 2022 Posted December 9, 2022 22 minutes ago, Bears01 said: I won’t count out tester and brown, but Manchin is DOA, and AZ is probably gone too. Sinema was losing that seat no matter what, she’s probably the weakest incumbent Senator I’ve ever seen Ohio just flocked to JD Vance in droves and it wasn’t really even that close, so Brown isn’t exactly safe. Pretty sure he loses, especially if Trump is the nominee at the top of the ticket. Josh Mandel would even be the stronger candidate for that cycle, since he’s a true MAGA believer and not a disingenuous grifter like JD Vance is. Tester faces the same problem. Trump being at the top of the ballot and it not being a blue wave election year could be what costs him. He got extremely lucky that his last election was in 2018 tbh. It’ll depend on whom his opponent is, but seeing as reporter body-slammer Greg Gianforte has been elected statewide there, I wouldn’t hold my breath.
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