discussion Peruvian President Castillo arrested and removed from office by right-wing congress

[RunUpDoneUp]

31 minutes ago, apasionata said:

Can you elaborate on this? No tea no shade

There's nothing to elaborate on. The president who got nothing done because of rigtwingers is as "far left" as your demented grandpa who believes he just came from his job after dropping his wife off at her job.

 

This wasn't an example of a far left outcome but a definition example of far right obstruction and the dilapidated state of peru's government after the effects of US interventions.

 

The country is a mess. It'll take a people movement to deliver them from the incoming rightwing rule.

 

He made a shtty decision in a shtty state of affairs, so I don't care to give rightwingers any leeway as they lie, blatantly about their effects on any nation trying to get better.

[Genius1111]

Castillo is now a former president. Peru welcomes its first female president, Dina Boluarte.

[Karma88]

The devil was defeated.

 

Spoiler

Morirá en la cárcel merecidamente.

 

[Blade Runner]

Disgusting piece of SH+T. 

[Katy V.!]

3 hours ago, RunUpDoneUp said:

There's nothing to elaborate on. The president who got nothing done because of rigtwingers is as "far left" as your demented grandpa who believes he just came from his job after dropping his wife off at her job.

 

This wasn't an example of a far left outcome but a definition example of far right obstruction and the dilapidated state of peru's government after the effects of US interventions.

 

The country is a mess. It'll take a people movement to deliver them from the incoming rightwing rule.

 

He made a shtty decision in a shtty state of affairs, so I don't care to give rightwingers any leeway as they lie, blatantly about their effects on any nation trying to get better.

Are yall really going to run with this?

 

I mean it's not shocking to see tankies openly supporting authoritarians and I get that it's really hard to spin but damn

[Gui Blackout]

 

[Gui Blackout]

 

[Chemist]

10 hours ago, Sunderland 4ever said:

Point is, every time there are elections in Peru, it looks like we always have to choose the lesser of two evils.

 

Worst thing now is that this situation will make members of the Congress feel like they're saints, like they're the saviors of the country, when they are clearly just as disgraceful as Castillo.

 

 

This. Castillo is simply not a politician and got elected only cause the other option was a fascist. Let's see how his VP does (who btw belonged to the same party as Castillo) but I don't think she is qualified either

[katara]

I wonder what the US wanted to achieve with this

[Taylena]

Not surprised to see here American neoliberal centrists supporting a right-wing coup in Peru. 

[Scars]

Brazil, Argentina and now Peru, lawfare is a post-military rule oligarchy stain on south american democracies. Peru's right-wing-majority congress and local oligarchies started beating the drums for Castillo's impeachment since the first day of his administration, so it doesn't come off as a surprise he wasn't able to stop the disruption, he had very few political support by his side, even when he tried to allign himself with other political forces earlier this year.

 

The writings were always on the wall and I don't think there was much room in Peru's current political climate to change it.

 

23 hours ago, Happylittlepunk said:

This is so sad Latin America is just always filled with dictators. Even when the countries vote for democracy in the next election cycle it seems a dictator shows up a couple of years later anyway. Latin America has the resources to become a major contender and compete to the like of Europe and US but it seems all these coups, drug cartels  and government corruption just always hold it back meanwhile the people are always fighting for quality of life every single day. 

This is probably a discourse too nuanced for ATRL, especially because there's many factors to the current state of affairs, so it isn't really a black and white scenario, but you'd be surprised that the rise of narco-states and militia-states historically had (and still has) ties to the involviment in the region of the foreign forces you've mentioned in your post. Our democracies and political structures are often fragile - to different degrees, of course - and hostage of local oligarchies which interests are aligned with the perpetuation of a western hegemony.

 

As for resources, our economies are mostly geared towards supplying the West's needs. We will never "compete" with Europe and US because our power scrutures are designed to rely on/feed them and the longing for self-reliance in any capacity is framed as a threat e.g. the discourse around oil.

Edited December 8, 2022 by Scars

[Scars]

20 hours ago, ToxDust said:

Yesterday Kirchner, today Castillo. Communists ruining latinamerica like they have always done... What's next Chile? 

Imagine having the picture of a Pinochet fanboy as an avi and say "communists" are the ones "ruining" Latin America, please.

[khalyan]

@Gui Blackout the thread title was edited for a reason.  Do not change it back.  

[Gui Blackout]

1 hour ago, khalyan said:

@Gui Blackout the thread title was edited for a reason.  Do not change it back.  

And what would be that reason?

[infrared]

Imagine how tired we are 

[khalyan]

6 hours ago, Gui Blackout said:

And what would be that reason?

To be accurate.  

[Katy V.!]

19 hours ago, Gui Blackout said:

And what would be that reason?

We can't let the reality of Castillo attempting a coup trying to dissolve congress interfere with the narrative of this being a "right-wing" issue.

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Again, it's very mindblowing to see the "foreign" left close ranks to support Castillo, when even the Peruvian far left (the same with links to terrorist groups, so it's not really beyond them) has strongly condemned him and swiftly replaced him within an hour. There's not even a point trying to defend such a ridiculous decision. 

[Vermillion]

Wait, he's still in the Mexican embassy in Peru?

 

Mexico's president said he'd grant the asylum request. Now what?

[LatinFreak]

Good! AMLO next plz! 

[Communion]

21 hours ago, Gui Blackout said:

And what would be that reason?

 

2 hours ago, Katy V.! said:

We can't let the reality of Castillo attempting a coup trying to dissolve congress interfere with the narrative of this being a "right-wing" issue.

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Again, it's very mindblowing to see the "foreign" left close ranks to support Castillo, when even the Peruvian far left (the same with links to terrorist groups, so it's not really beyond them) has strongly condemned him and swiftly replaced him within an hour. There's not even a point trying to defend such a ridiculous decision. 

Surely you two as members of the Latin American fa-right would be happier on far-right forums, yes? Especially ones where past racist comments would be tolerated?

[RunUpDoneUp]

On 12/7/2022 at 11:30 PM, Katy V.! said:

Are yall really going to run with this?

 

I mean it's not shocking to see tankies openly supporting authoritarians and I get that it's really hard to spin but damn

I'm gonna excuse you calling me a tankie because you seem to have comprehension issues. I literally called for the death penalty as a traitor of state and you managed to see this as a defense.

 

Next time, don't reply.

 

Peru is a rightwing moshpit and no one on the actual "foreign" left is dumb to it, try another person to play in traffic with.

[ClashAndBurn]

22 minutes ago, RunUpDoneUp said:

I'm gonna excuse you calling me a tankie because you seem to have comprehension issues. I literally called for the death penalty as a traitor of state and you managed to see this as a defense.

 

Next time, don't reply.

 

Peru is a rightwing moshpit and no one on the actual "foreign" left is dumb to it, try another person to play in traffic with.

Anyone left of center that isn’t super supportive of Joe Biden’s center-right style of government is a “tankie.”

 

You can say “Russia’s invasion of Ukraine is illegal” and still be called a genocide-denying Putin apologist tankie in the next reply. That’s really where we’re at with these posters on this forum.

[ZIVERT]

The usuals in here giving Trump supporter level delusions to excuse why *their* authoritarian coup is okay  

 

[Communion]

6 hours ago, ClashAndBurn said:

Anyone left of center that isn’t super supportive of Joe Biden’s center-right style of government is a “tankie.”

 

You can say “Russia’s invasion of Ukraine is illegal” and still be called a genocide-denying Putin apologist tankie in the next reply. That’s really where we’re at with these posters on this forum.

The way people on here defend the leader of Ukraine outlawing political parties on the basis of war or wanting Biden to use all force possible to squash January 6th MAGAs yet any progressive leader in Latin America should just roll over and let right-wing militias unseat them to "not be authoritarian". 

 

Such blatant hypocrisy on the end of rightists (conservatives AND liberals) is *why* these nothing terms like "authoritarian" are meaningless.

 

Leader of Canada uses authoritarian measures to outlaw assembly and protest? Virtuous!

Leader of China uses authoritarian measures to outlaw the spreading of COVID? Human rights!!!

Leader of Ukraine uses authoritarian measures to outlaw Russian sympathizing parties? It must be done!

Leader of Peru uses authoritarian measures to outlaw American sympathizing Congress? Dictator!!

 

You can tell that liberals have no actual unifying vision for what makes capitalism work because all this has done, with the rightists in Peru trying to sabotage Castillo's presidency since Day 1, is made socialists across Latin America recognize the ONLY way you survive is via crushing opponents.

 

"This will show the tankies that their worldview is bad!!"

 

Meanwhile every militant leader LatAm is standing (Maduro, Arce, Ortega  while the sharks are already coming for every left-liberal who thought pivoting to the center would work (Castillo, Boric, etc.)

 

If the entire point is to try and sway people with leftist sympathies from feeling that militarism is required to combat the forever-coercive and unapologetic forces of capital, WHY go and instantly take out every progressive leader in a continent slightly sympathetic to corporations and capital? 

 

 

[Genius1111]

 

 

 

While Cusco felt calm on Monday, Ms. Bautista said, supplies of chicken in the city were dwindling. Beef was completely sold out. Gas prices shot up.

 

The challenge of providing essential goods is setting off widespread concern in a region where the worst drought in more than 50 years and high fertilizer prices are already creating food shortages.

 

In the department of Cusco, with a capital of the same name, high numbers of people struggle to get enough to eat, with nearly 20 percent of children under the age of 5 facing chronic malnutrition, according to government figures.

 

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At least 26 people have died as a result of the protests, according to the national ombudsman’s office, and various human rights groups, including Amnesty International, have accused the police and military of a disproportionate use of force against protesters.

In clashes between the military and demonstrators on Thursday in the city of Ayacucho, nine protesters were killed, including a 15-year-old boy.

At least 356 civilians and 290 police officers have been injured during the protests, according to the ombudsman.

By Monday, the number of protests had dwindled across the country, though groups were calling for a fresh strike starting this week, making it unclear if the country was seeing an end to unrest — or just a brief respite.

 

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Since taking office, Ms. Boluarte, a leftist from a largely poor region, has attempted to strike a conciliatory tone, calling for unity in a deeply divided nation and addressing the nation in Quechua, the Indigenous language spoken by many of Mr. Castillo’s supporters.

 

But she has also declared a state of emergency, suspending many civil liberties, and sent the military into the streets in some places — actions that seem to be alienating the very protesters she is trying to calm.

On Sunday, in interviews with the national press, she said that protester deaths should be investigated by the military’s justice system instead of by public prosecutors, a move that could mean lighter sentences for soldiers accused of abuse. The declaration was immediately criticized by legal experts, who said a previous case in the Supreme Court, as well as international law, had made it clear that allegations of human rights abuses should be investigated in the civilian system.

A day before, the country’s antiterrorism police raided the offices of a leftist party and of a campesino organization in downtown Lima, detaining several protesters for hours.

The police accused them of planning to commit violence at demonstrations, showing reporters weapons like slingshots and machetes confiscated from protesters, though the protesters said these were planted. Human rights groups denounced the raids as an illegal intimidation tactic by authorities.

 

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Barring the possibility of Mr. Castillo’s reinstatement, protesters have called for new elections to be held as quickly as possible, while Congress recently voted down an effort to move them up to December 2023, far ahead of their scheduled 2026 date.

An Ipsos poll for America Television that was released on Sunday showed about 85 percent of respondents supported new general elections, and 33 percent also supported what the poll called Mr. Castillo’s “coup,” a figure that rose to 52 percent in rural Peru.

Another poll showed only 17 percent were satisfied with how Peru’s democracy is working, the lowest level since at least 2006.