discussion Do you support Elon Musk's ownership of Twitter?

[Delirious]

For the record, I do not like or support Musk but I think some policies he is imposing is for the better.

 

The employees use to be corrupt asf and run under nepotism and networking. They keep recommending friends for jobs instead of accepting new applicants via LinkedIn etc. Their definition of diversity hiring was white women lol.

 

Whenever you send an appeal ticket, a human never replied but instead you get an automated response. You use to get suspended for owning multiple accounts as it counts as 'spam and manipulation '.

 

Employees also use to secretly sell verification check marks, suspended rare @'s like for example @hobby etc amongst other illegal services. Employees also got to suspend whoever they liked and got to investigate personal info. Twitter use to be a corrupt MESS.

 

I also use to know a guy who runs a Twitter account who is exempt from Twitter rules like copyright and got unsuspended after one day cause he has contacts with an employee.

 

So maybe Elon owning Twitter wasn't so bad after all?

Edited November 28, 2022 by Delirious

[Bloo]

I’m going to be nice and just say nothing you said is a legitimate criticism of Twitter before Elon Musk took over. For instance, complaining about never having a human respond to a ticket is not solved by reducing the number of human employees by over 80%.

[Delirious]

7 minutes ago, Bloo said:

I’m going to be nice and just say nothing you said is a legitimate criticism of Twitter before Elon Musk took over. For instance, complaining about never having a human respond to a ticket is not solved by reducing the number of human employees by over 80%.

What about everything else I said? Also Elon fired 80% of the workforce and it's still running perfectly. So what exactly were they doing?

 

And also other major social media companies like Instagram, YouTube etc all give human responses so why not Twitter 

Edited November 28, 2022 by Delirious

[Literature]

Absolutely, his policies are great

[Jynx]

It's ok but the whole Trump thing was so cringeworthy. It's like he was begging him to come back. 

[Sheep]

It went from employing many and standing against hate speech to mainly putting money in a plutocratic oligarch's pocket while banning people for their political affiliations. 

 

So no.

[Zoomer]

Very much so. 

[Communion]

2 minutes ago, Delirious said:

Also Elon fired 80% of the workforce and it's still running perfectly

 

Do you think every employee of an app company is a web developer? 

[Into The Void]

I don't know 

I see no real difference yet

[Bloo]

6 minutes ago, Delirious said:

What about everything else I said? Also Elon fired 80% of the workforce and it's still running perfectly. So what exactly were they doing?

 

Software doesn’t require physical hands in order to stay afloat. It not breaking overnight isn’t a miracle, nor is it surprising. That’s a testament to code written by thousands of employees over a decade. So long as the servers are running (which are built also on top of Amazon Web Services), it’s not shocking Twitter is still running.

 

The problem will be when there’s a security vulnerability and the security team Elon pushed out of the company is not there to patch it up. The problem will be when Twitter has to respond to international law when a country wants to issue legal challenges against them and Twitter’s international law division is no longer there.

 

Those are the problems that are on the horizon and they do not happen overnight. People saying Twitter would magically crash over night were fatalistic and don’t understand technology.

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Also, it’s not working perfectly. It’s yoyo-ing between functional and broken because of the new leader. For instance, “Real life Tony Stark”, Elon Musk, thought shutting off the majority of microservices was a smart idea and it has caused countless issues on the site (e.g., disallowing people to log in because the 2FA microservice was shut off by Elon).

[Delirious]

2 minutes ago, Communion said:

 

Do you think every employee of an app company is a web developer? 

They left because of Musk's new policies sis...not because he employees left 

[Richmond]

No single person living on this earth should be able to 1) afford to buy one of the world’s largest social media platforms and 2) still be ranked as one of the world’s richest humans even afterwards. 
 

and this is coming from someone pro-capitalism lol. 

[Afterglow]

As a black person no I don't. It's caused a lot of racism to return and his lack of condemning that side of it to maintain his right-wing fanbase is ridiculous. 

[Bloo]

1 minute ago, Delirious said:

They left because of Musk's new policies sis...not because he employees left 

Whole divisions left because Elon Musk thinks it’s reasonable to expect employees to work 80 hour weeks and sleep at the office. The majority of the remaining workforce are also reportedly people with visa concerns and are only staying to avoid being deported.

[JustHoran]

You sound as delusional as Musk

[JustHoran]

1 minute ago, Afterglow said:

As a black person no I don't. It's caused a lot of racism to return and his lack of condemning that side of it to maintain his right-wing fanbase is ridiculous. 

As a gay, I can also back this up. I've seen racism on Twitter more than ever now AND I have been called a faguette on more than one occassion lately on Twitter..

[Communion]

9 minutes ago, Delirious said:

They left because of Musk's new policies sis...not because he employees left 

There are supposed to be entire marketing, sales and administrative departments meant to ensure ad revenue is continually brought in and that the daily operations of Twitter as a corporation run smoothly.

 

There are supposed to be legal departments to ensure that policies and changes to Twitter as a service aren't just functional but which do not make the company legally liable for fallout.

 

Advertisers are not leaving because of "new policies" - they're leaving because the entire concept of Twitter Blue opened up the possibility of mass fraud and legal fallout that happened from just one person using it to pretend to be a pharmaceutical company declaring insulin was free, embarrassing a billionaire. 

 

Administrative bloat IS a thing and is a problem in industries related to essential services and which receive large government subsidies. We can, for example, afford to gut administrative bloat in things like health insurance companies, where the goal isn't to make profit. It leaves though people confused when a professed-genius billionaire guts essential staff on his huge risky purchase and loses half of its advertisers in a month.

Edited November 28, 2022 by Communion

[Delirious]

7 minutes ago, Bloo said:

Whole divisions left because Elon Musk thinks it’s reasonable to expect employees to work 80 hour weeks and sleep at the office. The majority of the remaining workforce are also reportedly people with visa concerns and are only staying to avoid being deported.

He only said that so the rest of the employees can fire themselves so he can pay less severance. Tesla employees don't even work remotely close to that long.

[Delirious]

9 minutes ago, Afterglow said:

As a black person no I don't. It's caused a lot of racism to return and his lack of condemning that side of it to maintain his right-wing fanbase is ridiculous. 

 

8 minutes ago, JustHoran said:

You sound as delusional as Musk

 

7 minutes ago, JustHoran said:

As a gay, I can also back this up. I've seen racism on Twitter more than ever now AND I have been called a faguette on more than one occassion lately on Twitter..

I haven't experienced this at all and neither have my friends so ....

 

And anyways you will still 100% get suspended for saying the n word etc.

 

Never liked Musk but just saying I think the other policies he's doing is much better for twitter in the long-run. I'm tired of corrupt management.

[applestar]

Twitter honestly could not have gotten worse. The racism levels are literally the same as they've been for the past six years, and anybody denying this hasn't paid attention to any far-right extremism holes EVER

Just because you couldn't see racism/sexism/homophobia in your own curated feed (made by blocking) doesn't mean it didn't exist pre-Musk takeover. It was already rampant. Pre-Musk my account literally got permanently suspended for arguing with an actual ******* Nazi

 

Any change is good from that site, and if Elon Musk's takeover encourages more people to take their heads out of the sand and see that there is quite literally a ******* Nazi problem, I'm glad

[Delirious]

3 minutes ago, Communion said:

There are supposed to be entire marketing, sales and administrative departments meant to ensure ad revenue is continually brought in and that the daily operations of Twitter as a corporation run smoothly.

 

There are supposed to be legal departments to ensure that policies and changes to Twitter as a service aren't just functional but which do not make the company legally liable for fallout.

 

Advertisers are not leaving because of "new policies" - they're leaving because the entire concept of Twitter Blue opened up the possibility of mass fraud and legal fallout that happened from just one person using it to pretend to be an insurance company declaring insulin was free, embarrassing a billionaire. 

 

Administrative bloat IS a thing and is a problem in industries related to essential services and which receive large government subsidies. We can, for example, afford to gut administrative bloat in things like health insurance companies, where the goal isn't to make profit. It leaves though people confused when a professed-genius billionaire guts essential staff on his huge risky purchase and loses half of its advertisers in a month.

He added the official check mark for companies now so you can't impersonate them anymore. And musk posed very strict rules for impersonation.

[Gorjesspazze9]

Not really, it’s just another rich white man taking over something that he doesn’t really need or benefit from. Just like how he used his money and influence to take over Tesla. ? also twitter algorithm has been trash the last few weeks. It was fine as is, I don’t care if it was in debt. Everything online is to become monetized nowadays. It’s annoying. Also he is literally a trust fund baby Billionaire. Kinda hard to feel sorry for him. 

Edited November 28, 2022 by Gorjesspazze9

[Delirious]

Just now, applestar said:

Twitter honestly could not have gotten worse. The racism levels are literally the same as they've been for the past six years, and anybody denying this hasn't paid attention to any far-right extremism holes EVER

Just because you couldn't see racism/sexism/homophobia in your own curated feed (made by blocking) doesn't mean it didn't exist pre-Musk takeover. It was already rampant. Pre-Musk my account literally got permanently suspended for arguing with an actual ******* Nazi

 

Any change is good from that site, and if Elon Musk's takeover encourages more people to take their heads out of the sand and see that there is quite literally a ******* Nazi problem, I'm glad

THIS!!!! And Musk said himself that the content moderation policies will mostly stay the same so if you write any harrassment it racist terms like I'll **** you or sumn you'll get suspended.

[Communion]

1 minute ago, Delirious said:

He added the official check mark for companies now 

Yes, after the Eli Lily incident that was largely foreseeable. The official check also rendering Musk's idea of Twitter Blue now redundant to begin with. 

[Bloo]

7 minutes ago, Delirious said:

THIS!!!! And Musk said himself that the content moderation policies will mostly stay the same so if you write any harrassment it racist terms like I'll **** you or sumn you'll get suspended.

How you can trust anything that man says, at this point, is deluded. He literally said Trump would not be coming back and we all know how that panned out. He has no long term plan and is just making impulsive decisions like a child until he gets bored of his new toy.