celeb news Kim Petras on Dr. Luke: "I have nothing to be ashamed of” + Kesha responds

[Communion]

35 minutes ago, meangreen11 said:

Not at all? I outright said I don’t know what to believe. Of course I’m inclined to believe her, because I like her as an artist and person, but also wonder why nothing at all has come from the allegations with all the attention the story has gotten.

This really is a very simple question with a simple answer to anyone who recognizes how systems work against victims. Because of the statute of limitations related to her original complaints to other individuals in private of sexual assault from 2005 to 2008, there is no legal basis for a criminal case. Even back in 2014.

 

She thus pursued a civil case that was about her contract, claiming emotional distress and employment discrimination. We live in a capitalist shithole that is America so the judge in the case found that, even if Dr. Luke had indeed sexually assaulted Kesha, the harm that Kesha described experiencing would not outweigh the harm done to Sony if the judge went and voided Kesha's contract with Sony and Kemosabe. 

 

Like it's silly to go "Well if it's true why hasn't anything happened??" when things *did* happen and they showed the way the system in stacked against victims. And the labor issues in recording contracts. If your boss is abusive, you should have the ability to quit a job. Many judges would even point disgruntled ex-employees in civil cases to the reminder that they had the right to quit a job they hated all along. But that's not true here; Kesha's not an employee doing a job. She is the product Sony owns.

 

The judge's ruling against the preliminary injunction was literally that she wouldn't void Kesha's contract because Sony claimed they'd help her record without having to personally interact with Luke and thus she failed to see how any events of sexual abuse or employment discrimination - like Luke insulting Kesha anytime he saw her by calling her fat - made the employment situation irreconcilable. 

 

It's INSANE that anyone who claims to love female pop not only could not support Kesha as a woman against her rapist but not side with a musician in a lawsuit that exposes the power imbalance between artists and labels. It's why people will have little sympathy for Kim when her Republic deal blows up and Luke tries to screw her over like he's done Kesha and others because it was all foreseeable.

Edited November 30, 2022 by Communion

[Tistotal]

Y'all delusional if you think she will ever put her against Dr. Luke. He is giving her all she has always wanted, of course she will be on his side.

 

You need to understand people don't have to get involved on that if they don't want to. This poor girl is obviously reading all those comments 

 

Those two Kesha fans trying to put Doja on Kesha's side when Doja is literally the main project on Luke team  

Edited November 30, 2022 by Tistotal

[Bhabylon]

Katy stans mindlessly supporting and defending trash like Rick Caruso and Dr. Luke just because of their faces  some of y’all are so lost, and for what?

[XtinaStripped]

If it wasn’t for Luke she’d not be as successful as she is now. She’s obviously going to side with him and at this point if everybody is going to just be ok with people like Doja and Nicki scoring hit after hit with Luke, Kim shouldn’t be treated any different. She has nothing to do with the Kesha case personally it’s understandable why she feels this way.

[TomTom]

5 hours ago, meangreen11 said:

Everyone talks like it’s an open and shut case but it just doesn’t seem to be

I literally explained that this case is not remotely over at all again and again in this thread to people who believed otherwise and that’s it not even close to being over.

 

5 hours ago, meangreen11 said:

Is there anything that could come out that might make fans question what really happened?

Dr. Luke has had 8 years to present such evidence and now jury the trial will happen next year on the record that exists until now.

 

Dr. Luke‘s strategy in this litigation from day one has been to use things Kesha did long after the sexual assault against her to doubt her credibility, while unsuccessfully trying to keep all incriminating information that is related to the sexual assault itself and the immediate aftermath under seal and hidden from the public.

 

It has never been about presenting evidence that directly refutes any of Kesha‘s claims because that does not exist.

 

5 hours ago, meangreen11 said:

I don’t buy that he’s just some untouchable figure in the industry when far more powerful figures have been taken down in recent years from the Me Too movement. They got Weinstein ffs. There’s most likely more to the story than we all know. 

1) The lawsuits between Kesha and Dr. Luke predate #MeToo by years. Nobody was talking about things like that back in 2014. By the time #MeToo began, Kesha‘s comeback overshadowed the lawsuit for a certain period which led to a drastic decrease in attention because people were under the mistaken assumption that Kesha was “free“ because she could release music without Dr. Luke. 

 

Only now, many people are SLOWLY understanding that the lawsuit has not gone anywhere at all and is in fact still ongoing. I guess the fact that this litigation is a hybrid lawsuit of defamation claims and breach of contract claims is also confusing to understand for many because it’s not as straightforward as many other #MeToo lawsuits.

 

2) #MeToo is almost completely limited to the movie industry. If you take Kesha away, who else is another prominent sexual assault victim/perpetrator in the music industry in the last years? For some reason, the dynamics seem to be completely different in both and Dr. Luke manages to benefit from that.

 

4 hours ago, XtinaStripped said:

If it wasn’t for Luke she’d not be as successful as she is now

Kim has ONE hit which is NOT written or produced by Luke.

 

5 hours ago, Tistotal said:

Those two Kesha fans trying to put Doja on Kesha's side when Doja is literally the main project on Luke team  

Those two Katy fans grasping at every straw to defend Kim‘s indefensible behavior by talking about Doja Cat‘s incomparable situation 

[josesuxx]

7 hours ago, Communion said:

This really is a very simple question with a simple answer to anyone who recognizes how systems work against victims. Because of the statute of limitations related to her original complaints to other individuals in private of sexual assault from 2005 to 2008, there is no legal basis for a criminal case. Even back in 2014.

 

She thus pursued a civil case that was about her contract, claiming emotional distress and employment discrimination. We live in a capitalist shithole that is America so the judge in the case found that, even if Dr. Luke had indeed sexually assaulted Kesha, the harm that Kesha described experiencing would not outweigh the harm done to Sony if the judge went and voided Kesha's contract with Sony and Kemosabe. 

 

Like it's silly to go "Well if it's true why hasn't anything happened??" when things *did* happen and they showed the way the system in stacked against victims. And the labor issues in recording contracts. If your boss is abusive, you should have the ability to quit a job. Many judges would even point disgruntled ex-employees in civil cases to the reminder that they had the right to quit a job they hated all along. But that's not true here; Kesha's not an employee doing a job. She is the product Sony owns.

 

The judge's ruling against the preliminary injunction was literally that she wouldn't void Kesha's contract because Sony claimed they'd help her record without having to personally interact with Luke and thus she failed to see how any events of sexual abuse or employment discrimination - like Luke insulting Kesha anytime he saw her by calling her fat - made the employment situation irreconcilable. 

 

It's INSANE that anyone who claims to love female pop not only could not support Kesha as a woman against her rapist but not side with a musician in a lawsuit that exposes the power imbalance between artists and labels. It's why people will have little sympathy for Kim when her Republic deal blows up and Luke tries to screw her over like he's done Kesha and others because it was all foreseeable.

1 hour ago, TomTom2288 said:

I literally explained that this case is not remotely over at all again and again in this thread to people who believed otherwise and that’s it not even close to being over.

 

Dr. Luke has had 8 years to present such evidence and now jury the trial will happen next year on the record that exists until now.

 

Dr. Luke‘s strategy in this litigation from day one has been to use things Kesha did long after the sexual assault against her to doubt her credibility, while unsuccessfully trying to keep all incriminating information that is related to the sexual assault itself and the immediate aftermath under seal and hidden from the public.

 

It has never been about presenting evidence that directly refutes any of Kesha‘s claims because that does not exist.

 

1) The lawsuits between Kesha and Dr. Luke predate #MeToo by years. Nobody was talking about things like that back in 2014. By the time #MeToo began, Kesha‘s comeback overshadowed the lawsuit for a certain period which led to a drastic decrease in attention because people were under the mistaken assumption that Kesha was “free“ because she could release music without Dr. Luke. 

 

Only now, many people are SLOWLY understanding that the lawsuit has not gone anywhere at all and is in fact still ongoing. I guess the fact that this litigation is a hybrid lawsuit of defamation claims and breach of contract claims is also confusing to understand for many because it’s not as straightforward as many other #MeToo lawsuits.

 

2) #MeToo is almost completely limited to the movie industry. If you take Kesha away, who else is another prominent sexual assault victim/perpetrator in the music industry in the last years? For some reason, the dynamics seem to be completely different in both and Dr. Luke manages to benefit from that.

 

Kim has ONE hit which is NOT written or produced by Luke.

 

Those two Katy fans grasping at every straw to defend Kim‘s indefensible behavior by talking about Doja Cat‘s incomparable situation 

[HereForTheChaos]

kesha liked a tweet saying that she wasn’t saying thank you for bullying kim

[Luckitty]

On 11/29/2022 at 3:52 AM, Communion said:

Some of y'all are giving too much praise for a man whose work is largely now vanity credits. 

 

There's literally videos of Aaron and Kim in the studio making songs for Era 1 and - shocker - there is no Luke in sight. It's praising someone for giving himself a production credit for "finishing touches". 

 

That's the most absurd part of Kim's dedication to Luke - that it was clearly for the money and connections because the vast majority of her music is not produced by him and instead largely done by Aaron himself and others. And no, being signed to Prescription Songs as a songwriter doesn't justify using Luke's "fame" for leverage or PR because tons of songwriters who signed to RX beforehand for publishing don't do that.

 

In fact, Kim has literally had a falling out with both Sophia Black (with the rumored reason for their fallout being damning) and Jon Castelli, who used to actually help produce her music. Odd how Luke still needed Jon's ideas for Malibu thus the credit despite their falling out. 

 

People are going "YOU CAN JUST HEAR LUKE'S SIGNATURE TOUCH!!". Mama, that's Benny Blanco / Ammo / Cirkut / Aaron Joseph / Oliver Vaugh / etc. 

it's kinda funny how luke has made atrlers believe that he's a genius when all he does is steal songs and credits

 

12 hours ago, Bhabylon said:

Katy stans mindlessly supporting and defending trash like Rick Caruso and Dr. Luke just because of their faces  some of y’all are so lost, and for what?

they're still hoping katy would go back to luke for a quick hit 

[gettsleazy]

29 minutes ago, Luckitty said:

it's kinda funny how luke has made atrlers believe that he's a genius when all he does is steal songs and credits

 

they're still hoping katy would go back to luke for a quick hit 

Literally. They would be creaming their pants and for WHAT, she'd still TANK. The GP hates Katy Perry and nothing will change that. Kats are still holding resentment against Kesha because she put the proverbial nail in Katy's coffin when she ousted Luke. 

 

Luke is a carefully calculated PR machine and the only reason he's considered some Svengali is because of THEFT, CONNERY, TRICKERY, and LIES. He's an UGLY rapist with an UGLY wife and children that I PRAY FOR daily. 

[iiswhoiis_max]

18 hours ago, meangreen11 said:

He’s won in court multiple times and even Kesha has testified under oath that he didn’t rape her. 
 

 

Because it's absolutely normal to testify that without any kind of backstory, huh?

Like they randomly sat down and were like "Hey, how about you testify I never raped you?"

 

 

[TomTom]

1 minute ago, iiswhoiis_max said:

Because it's absolutely normal to testify that without any kind of backstory, huh?

Like they randomly sat down and were like "Hey, how about you testify I never raped you?"

 

 

EXACTLY 

[Luckitty]

1 hour ago, iiswhoiis_max said:

Because it's absolutely normal to testify that without any kind of backstory, huh?

Like they randomly sat down and were like "Hey, how about you testify I never raped you?"

 

 

literally if anything it just proves Kesha's claims

[HEIDI]

4 hours ago, gettsleazy said:

Literally. They would be creaming their pants and for WHAT, she'd still TANK. The GP hates Katy Perry and nothing will change that. Kats are still holding resentment against Kesha because she put the proverbial nail in Katy's coffin when she ousted Luke. 

 

Luke is a carefully calculated PR machine and the only reason he's considered some Svengali is because of THEFT, CONNERY, TRICKERY, and LIES. He's an UGLY rapist with an UGLY wife and children that I PRAY FOR daily. 

ff the Kats scream that TD is ”pop perfection!!” yet none of its tracks are seeing a resurgence in the way of Cannibal, Backstabber or Gaga’s Bloody Mary & Government Hooker

[Galah]

Some of y'all are weird as hell for constantly bringing Katy Perry into this conversation. Mind you she hasn't worked with him since 2015 in solidarity with Kesha, has called Kesha a friend years after she stopped working with Luke, and as continued not to work with Luke despite his public resurgence since 2020.

 

Pretty sure most Katy Perry fans don't even want her to work with Luke and have accepted that her days as a mainstream success are done. All this whining and vitriol aimed at a person who has literally done nothing to warrant it when you have others outright working with and defending him is beyond lame. The resentment is coming from inside the house.

[Tistotal]

6 hours ago, gettsleazy said:

Literally. They would be creaming their pants and for WHAT, she'd still TANK. The GP hates Katy Perry and nothing will change that. Kats are still holding resentment against Kesha because she put the proverbial nail in Katy's coffin when she ousted Luke. 

You don't really think this, right?  You're a joke lol

Bringing up Katy to this conversation when she has nothing to do here, even when she literally called Kesha a friend  

[CottageHore]

I mean, I can see why Kim snapped, but also- have some empathy and take some accountability. You know the publicity risk of working with Dr. Luke after his court case with Kesha and you still actively work with him. 
 

That being said, Kesha keeping up on Kim Petras enough to see that and thank her fans for berating her. And Kim is still a pretty unknown artist overall. There are much bigger names currently working with Luke, getting massive hits and she doesn’t seem to be thanking her fans when they berate them.

[Wolf Alice]

3 minutes ago, CottageHore said:

That being said, Kesha keeping up on Kim Petras enough to see that and thank her fans for berating her

The reach  She was just thanking her fans for #FreeKesha trending on twitter

 

and she liked this tweet so she is definitely not responding to whatever's happening to kim - she brought that on herself with the constant meltdowns

 

[CottageHore]

3 minutes ago, Wolf Alice said:

The reach  She was just thanking her fans for #FreeKesha trending on twitter

 

and she liked this tweet so she is definitely not responding to whatever's happening to kim - she brought that on herself with the constant meltdowns

 

Oh, I didn’t know this. I just saw the OP and assumed. Thanks.

[Ferret]

The Double standards in this thread. If kim is trash for working with Luke then Doja is way trashier for making rich and powerful. 

[mlaredoperez]

On 11/28/2022 at 12:41 PM, FolkLover1989 said:

Aren't there rumors about Dua working with him too and people here love her. I wonder

 

Anyways Luke is horrible

That was completely false.

[Enrique523]

1 hour ago, mlaredoperez said:

That was completely false.

Exactly. Dua never worked with Dr Luke, it's all propaganda based on misinformation.

[gatito]

2 hours ago, Enrique523 said:

Exactly. Dua never worked with Dr Luke, it's all propaganda based on misinformation.

i mean are we sure? he's powerful enough to pull off something like this and then deny all of it

 

OT: BOTH doja and kim are disgusting for siding with that monster

[Guest]

These twinks are pressed that Doja got hits without effort while their flop little ***** couldn't even by selling her morals to 6 abusers. Stay pressed

[OmegaRidley]

1 hour ago, DojaCat said:

These twinks are pressed that Doja got hits without effort while their flop little ***** couldn't even by selling her morals to 6 abusers. Stay pressed

In other words : « my fave effortlessly makes Luke loads of cash while yours doesn’t !!1!1 » 

 

I am not sure how this is a drag my dear 

[Guest]

24 minutes ago, OmegaRidley said:

In other words : « my fave effortlessly makes Luke loads of cash while yours doesn’t !!1!1 » 

 

I am not sure how this is a drag my dear 

In other words my fave blew up by making a meme song while yours couldn't despite licking the ass of every possible abuser in the industry. Kim stans know that Doja signed before Kesha came out with allegations you are just choosing to ignore it. And also it's funny to me how 2 posters in this thread (Kim stans ofc) made some racists comments about Doja while always screaming transphobia in every thread when someone rightfully calls Kim out.