celeb news Kim Petras on Dr. Luke: "I have nothing to be ashamed of” + Kesha responds

[Lady Claire]

5 hours ago, Archetype said:

Kim wants to become a mainstream pop star with major label support and connections.  None of the people you mentioned are anywhere near that status and I'd argue, thanks to Sam Smith, Kim is/was somewhat closer than any other trans person in music ever before.  Most of us on here can realize she probably was never actually going to break out solo simply due to her sound, but that wasn't going to stop her from trying.  Luke was the person who funded all of this and she trusts him for that.  it is not a coincidence that she chose to sign with him, he gave her the best option and probably the most money even if she had other offers.  Luke is still getting hits left and right, he still has all of the right connections, his resume is impressive, and most importantly, they have a longstanding working relationship together.  This would be a no brainer in any other circumstance.  

Exactly. And even after all the backlash, I’m pretty sure a studio session with Luke is not cheap at all. He trusted in her, invested money, gave his time of the day with little to no return as her music never really charted and people truly expect her to throw the man under the bus just so they can listen to her without “guilt” (bc apparently for ATRL and their performative activism, it’s ok for someone to work with him as long they say that it’s not right at all!)  

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And not the “whataboutism” argument when it’s literally what y’all do when we mention other artists Luke work with  “b-b-but she has a contract!!!” “B-but he didn’t actually produce the song!!!” “Unlike Kim she never praised him so she have moralzzz!!” all of that while Mr. Gottwald’s bank account keeps getting full of money  I truly CAN’T

 

[TomTom]

17 minutes ago, Lady Claire said:

“B-but he didn’t actually produce the song!!!” “Unlike Kim she never praised him so she have moralzzz!!” all of that while Mr. Gottwald’s bank account keeps getting full of money  I truly CAN’T

You guys really like being obtuse, huh?

 

It has never been about money, Dr. Luke is filthy rich with or without Doja Cat. Even if he had no successful artists working with him at all currently, he'd still be filthy rich thanks to the massive amount of royalties he gets from all his past hits and his ever-expanding publishing company. That's not the point.

 

What Dr. Luke ACTUALLY wants is someone who acts like an ambassador for him, someone who can normalize him and improve his reputation among the general public and that role is being consistently played by no other than Kim Petras who somehow feels the need to defend him over and over and over again - contrary to his other collaborators who are at least smart enough not to say anything at all about him or elegantly dodge such questions.

 

He's been playing a sophisticated PR game ever since this lawsuit began which includes orchestrated puff pieces with sympathetic quotes from industry players, producing music under pseudonyms, PR firms specifically hired to craft a campaign against Kesha and other things and one significant part of all that is a certain artist called Kim Petras who consistently acts like an important voucher for him while being some sort of gatekeeper for the LGBTQ+ community who is a core audience of Dr. Luke's musical output.

[Mark!]

i dont get what kesha meant?

[Guest]

32 minutes ago, Lady Claire said:

Exactly. And even after all the backlash, I’m pretty sure a studio session with Luke is not cheap at all. He trusted in her, invested money, gave his time of the day with little to no return as her music never really charted and people truly expect her to throw the man under the bus just so they can listen to her without “guilt” (bc apparently for ATRL and their performative activism, it’s ok for someone to work with him as long they say that it’s not right at all!)  

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And not the “whataboutism” argument when it’s literally what y’all do when we mention other artists Luke work with  “b-b-but she has a contract!!!” “B-but he didn’t actually produce the song!!!” “Unlike Kim she never praised him so she have moralzzz!!” all of that while Mr. Gottwald’s bank account keeps getting full of money  I truly CAN’T

 

Do you understand how the record labels work? It's like you expect your boss to dont make money off you, she can't break the contract she signed. Maybe if you had a job it would be easier to understand 

Edited November 29, 2022 by DojaCat

[TomTom]

10 minutes ago, Mark! said:

i dont get what kesha meant?

The Kim backlash made #FreeKesha trend again which Kesha saw and thanked her fans for.

[josesuxx]

18 minutes ago, Mark! said:

i dont get what kesha meant?

She saw #FreeKesha was trending again and thanked us for the support, she didn't respond to the Unholy singer

[Mark!]

13 minutes ago, TomTom2288 said:

The Kim backlash made #FreeKesha trend again which Kesha saw and thanked her fans for.

 

4 minutes ago, josesuxx said:

She saw #FreeKesha was trending again and thanked us for the support, she didn't respond to the Unholy singer

Ok, that makes more sense. Without context, it looked like Kesha was thanking Kim for acknowledging what she did

[Horizon Flame]

Petras is the white Azealia Banks. It’s never going to happen for them. Petras has no hits to speak of except this cringey Sam Smith duet. They’ve been around for 13 years. Saying Dr. Luke made them famous is laughable when they aren’t and have only one hit that isn’t even solo. 

[BornUnbroken]

8 hours ago, Archetype said:

I just don't really think constantly attacking her (not talking about you), out of all the people who Luke works with, makes any sense whatsoever, and the extent a certain fanbase comes for her is giving borderline obsession.  

That oompa loompa looking rat is the one that keeps defending puke and is facing the consequences of her own words and actions. If she can't keep her mouth shut, why should we?

[TomTom]

Kesha liked another #FreeKesha tweet, besides the ones I already posted on the last page.

 

She also just posted a very cryptic Instagram story.

 

This whole incident made her return to Twitter and she's never posted/reacted to so much lawsuit and #FreeKesha-related content all at once in years.

 

She always said she avoids news about herself related to Luke, but this time she did not.

 

Edited November 29, 2022 by TomTom2288

[HereForTheChaos]

this whole thread is a rollercoaster

[Trash]

He never gave her a hit so why is she so insistant and proud to work with him?

Edited November 29, 2022 by Trash

[meangreen11]

So is there any form of proof at all that could convince Kesha fans that Dr. Luke isn’t who she says he is?

 

He’s won in court multiple times and even Kesha has testified under oath that he didn’t rape her. 
 

While it’s definitely possible he could have, it’s also possible that he didn’t, since we haven’t seen anyone else come forward to corroborate anything. 
 

I don’t know what to believe, honestly, but even if Kesha were to say she made it all up at this point, you’d still have fans insisting she didn’t mean what she said and he’s awful. 

[Ferret]

6 hours ago, TomTom2288 said:

You guys really like being obtuse, huh?

 

It has never been about money, Dr. Luke is filthy rich with or without Doja Cat. Even if he had no successful artists working with him at all currently, he'd still be filthy rich thanks to the massive amount of royalties he gets from all his past hits and his ever-expanding publishing company. That's not the point.

 

What Dr. Luke ACTUALLY wants is someone who acts like an ambassador for him, someone who can normalize him and improve his reputation among the general public and that role is being consistently played by no other than Kim Petras who somehow feels the need to defend him over and over and over again - contrary to his other collaborators who are at least smart enough not to say anything at all about him or elegantly dodge such questions.

 

He's been playing a sophisticated PR game ever since this lawsuit began which includes orchestrated puff pieces with sympathetic quotes from industry players, producing music under pseudonyms, PR firms specifically hired to craft a campaign against Kesha and other things and one significant part of all that is a certain artist called Kim Petras who consistently acts like an important voucher for him while being some sort of gatekeeper for the LGBTQ+ community who is a core audience of Dr. Luke's musical output.

1) yes it has,  money is power

2) that’s literally what Doja has been doing for years. Normalizing working with him

 

 

[TomTom]

16 minutes ago, meangreen11 said:

So is there any form of proof at all that could convince Kesha fans that Dr. Luke isn’t who she says he is?

 

That does not exist.

 

16 minutes ago, meangreen11 said:

He’s won in court multiple times

On narrow issues of law unrelated to the merits of any allegations and unrelated to the questions that will ultimately be decided by the jury and Kesha has two pending appeals at New York's highest court right now.

 

16 minutes ago, meangreen11 said:

even Kesha has testified under oath that he didn’t rape her.

Because she was blackmailed to lie by a man who controlled her entire career and livelihood and threatened to "tie you up in litigation until you are old and broke", which is documented and confirmed by Kesha's former manager and lawyer, and which Luke already did in 2005 and 2008.

 

16 minutes ago, meangreen11 said:

since we haven’t seen anyone else come forward to corroborate anything

There is at least one other victim that approached Kesha when she filed her lawsuit who did not want to come forward publicly and even if that wasn't the case, the lack of other victims does not invalidate Kesha's experiences.

 

16 minutes ago, meangreen11 said:

but even if Kesha were to say she made it all up at this point, you’d still have fans insisting she didn’t mean what she said and he’s awful. 

Anyone with more than two brain cells knows that Kesha did not lie, but even if you refuse to believe that, Dr. Luke is a horrible person regardless of Kesha. That simply comes on top of the long list of artists and producers who have independently exposed Dr. Luke for being the horrible person that he is.

 

12 minutes ago, Ferret said:

1) yes it has,  money is power

 

That's a no-brainer and I've never said otherwise, don't deflect. The point is that that's not what Luke's primary goal is because he has it anyways regardless of Doja Cat.

 

12 minutes ago, Ferret said:

2) that’s literally what Doja has been doing for years. Normalizing working with him

 

She has done the exact opposite by indicating she does not want to work with him and directing attention towards his unsurprising and repeated pattern of crediting himself for songs he did not work on.

Edited November 29, 2022 by TomTom2288

[Lady Claire]

12 minutes ago, Ferret said:

1) yes it has,  money is power

2) that’s literally what Doja has been doing for years. Normalizing working with him

 

 

Yup. Reminder that after Say So's success he even felt confident enough to come back to his "Dr. Luke" name. Before that he was using Made in China, Tyson Trax or Manhun Glow

 

 

 

Edited November 29, 2022 by Lady Claire

[Ferret]

2 minutes ago, TomTom2288 said:

That does not exist.

 

On narrow issues of law unrelated to the merits of any allegations and unrelated to the questions that will ultimately be decided by the jury and Kesha has two pending appeals at New York's highest court right now.

 

Because she was blackmailed to lie by a man who controlled her entire career and livelihood and threatened to "tie you up in litigation until you are old and broke", which is documented and confirmed by Kesha's former manager and lawyer, and which Luke already did in 2005 and 2008.

 

There is at least one other victim that approached Kesha when she filed her lawsuit who did not want to come forward publicly and even if that wasn't the case, the lack of other victims does not invalidate Kesha's experiences.

 

Anyone with more than two brain cells knows that Kesha did not lie, but even if you refuse to believe that, Dr. Luke is a horrible person regardless of Kesha. That simply comes on top of the long list of artists and producers who have independently exposed Dr. Luke for being the horrible person that he is.

 

That's a no-brainer and I've never said otherwise, don't deflect. The point is that that's not what Luke's primary goal is because he has it anyways regardless of Doja Cat.

 

She has done the exact opposite by indicating she does not want to work with him and directing attention towards his unsurprising and repeated pattern of crediting himself for songs he did not work on.

Well, that clearly didnt work because since she exploded with his songs everybody’s working with him now. Yes she may have the intention but what does it do in reality to change things? NOTHING. If we bring Kim down for working with him, DOJA should literally be destroyed for making him cool again. 

[Guest]

Doja is not going anywhere, she is smart and talented unlike the ****-pop singer. Y'all can sit down and seethe,Kim worked with 6 abusers and still floped, she will NEVER reach Doja's level of success. It's your fave that is sabotaging herself simply by being extremely dumb leave Doja out of this.

[~Start The Music]

Yeah Kim has bops but she’s very inconsiderate and careless blows my mind people still think Kesha lied about all of this 

[undermyskin]

8 hours ago, TomTom2288 said:

You guys really like being obtuse, huh?

 

It has never been about money, Dr. Luke is filthy rich with or without Doja Cat. Even if he had no successful artists working with him at all currently, he'd still be filthy rich thanks to the massive amount of royalties he gets from all his past hits and his ever-expanding publishing company. That's not the point.

 

What Dr. Luke ACTUALLY wants is someone who acts like an ambassador for him, someone who can normalize him and improve his reputation among the general public and that role is being consistently played by no other than Kim Petras who somehow feels the need to defend him over and over and over again - contrary to his other collaborators who are at least smart enough not to say anything at all about him or elegantly dodge such questions.

 

He's been playing a sophisticated PR game ever since this lawsuit began which includes orchestrated puff pieces with sympathetic quotes from industry players, producing music under pseudonyms, PR firms specifically hired to craft a campaign against Kesha and other things and one significant part of all that is a certain artist called Kim Petras who consistently acts like an important voucher for him while being some sort of gatekeeper for the LGBTQ+ community who is a core audience of Dr. Luke's musical output.

This!

[Vixen Eyes]

10 hours ago, Johnny Jacobs said:

How is the thank can be connected to her i don't understand tho

#freekesha was trending on twitter and she saw it

[Communion]

3 hours ago, meangreen11 said:

So is there any form of proof at all that could convince Kesha fans that Dr. Luke isn’t who she says he is?

 

He’s won in court multiple times and even Kesha has testified under oath that he didn’t rape her. 
 

While it’s definitely possible he could have, it’s also possible that he didn’t, since we haven’t seen anyone else come forward to corroborate anything. 
 

I don’t know what to believe, honestly, but even if Kesha were to say she made it all up at this point, you’d still have fans insisting she didn’t mean what she said and he’s awful. 

At this point, some of y'all just violently hate women. 

[Ethereaaal]

She should’ve just kept her mouth shut. Just because other people doing it, it doesn’t suddenly make it okay for you to do the same.

 

The fact that some of y’all are agreeing with her as well. Wth.

[meangreen11]

33 minutes ago, Communion said:

At this point, some of y'all just violently hate women. 

Not at all? I outright said I don’t know what to believe. Of course I’m inclined to believe her, because I like her as an artist and person, but also wonder why nothing at all has come from the allegations with all the attention the story has gotten. Everyone talks like it’s an open and shut case but it just doesn’t seem to be. Believing every allegation against someone just because a woman made it is problematic af which is the point of my question. Is there anything that could come out that might make fans question what really happened?

 

I don’t buy that he’s just some untouchable figure in the industry when far more powerful figures have been taken down in recent years from the Me Too movement. They got Weinstein ffs. There’s most likely more to the story than we all know. 

[FightForTanas]

Not the if you support Kim you hate woman argument.  This is the exact reason everyone laughs at you people. What a joke of a thread.