celeb news Kim Petras on Dr. Luke: "I have nothing to be ashamed of” + Kesha responds

[Keter]

We fatigued from all the cancel ****. Assault is a matter for law enforcement. I hope the parties have their day in court. Meanwhile, let the music play! 

[Sanguine]

On 11/27/2022 at 4:42 PM, Tropical said:

We've literally KNOWN Kim works with Dr Luke since 2017. We know!

Golden way to open up a defense lol

[FreeXone]

18 hours ago, TomTom2288 said:

It is not remotely over at all and her story has never been "weird and wonky". It has been the exact same story for 17 years.

 

Nonsense, stop talking about things you don't know anything about.

 

She has been trying to get out this contract for 17 years, half her life and since the rape happened, and only filed the lawsuit once she had exhausted every other possibility to achieve that goal. This works against Dr. Luke and maybe you should inform yourself before making insensitive remarks like this.

 

A shameless lie. 

Yeah once she exhausted every aspect then she brings up rape? Idk seems fishy but not saying it couldn’t have happened just seems…a little calculated. 

[collin]

25 minutes ago, FreeXone said:

Yeah once she exhausted every aspect then she brings up rape? Idk seems fishy but not saying it couldn’t have happened just seems…a little calculated. 

Please find a different hill to die on or do some reading on this topic.

[Tasty]

28 minutes ago, FreeXone said:

Yeah once she exhausted every aspect then she brings up rape? Idk seems fishy but not saying it couldn’t have happened just seems…a little calculated. 

 

[CroNich]

3 hours ago, Communion said:

Some of y'all are giving too much praise for a man whose work is largely now vanity credits. 

 

There's literally videos of Aaron and Kim in the studio making songs for Era 1 and - shocker - there is no Luke in sight. It's praising someone for giving himself a production credit for "finishing touches". 

 

That's the most absurd part of Kim's dedication to Luke - that it was clearly for the money and connections because the vast majority of her music is not produced by him and instead largely done by Aaron himself and others. And no, being signed to Prescription Songs as a songwriter doesn't justify using Luke's "fame" for leverage or PR because tons of songwriters who signed to RX beforehand for publishing don't do that.

 

In fact, Kim has literally had a falling out with both Sophia Black (with the rumored reason for their fallout being damning) and Jon Castelli, who used to actually help produce her music. Odd how Luke still needed Jon's ideas for Malibu thus the credit despite their falling out. 

 

People are going "YOU CAN JUST HEAR LUKE'S SIGNATURE TOUCH!!". Mama, that's Benny Blanco / Ammo / Cirkut / Aaron Joseph / Oliver Vaugh / etc. 

it’s the same with Doja. There’s some kind of video series on the creation of Say So (I think) and they show them creating the song and there is no Luke in sight. He really has spent his whole career piggy backing of other actually talented producers.

[FreeXone]

52 minutes ago, Tasty said:

 

So she told them 4 years prior to her big debut but her own mother and her still worked with him?

It all sounds strange. 

 

Edited November 29, 2022 by FreeXone

[MissedTheTrain]

10 minutes ago, FreeXone said:

So she told them 4 years prior to her big debut but her own mother and her still worked with him?

It all sounds strange. 

 

She was under contract, and Luke threatened her and her family.  He beat her down mentally over those years.

[CroNich]

30 minutes ago, FreeXone said:

So she told them 4 years prior to her big debut but her own mother and her still worked with him?

It all sounds strange. 

 

She was signed with him by this point and was bullied and manipulated into keeping quiet and staying with Luke… don’t y’all ever ******* read anything before you post.

[HEIDI]

can’t believe society has been demoralized to the point where we forgo all basic human decency in search of quick dopamine hits (like Kim Petras music literally designed to hook a gay audience)

[Guest]

7 hours ago, Lady Claire said:

Anyone who knows Dr. Luke's productions knows damn well he's the actual producer of Doja's songs. It's literally his style and he recycles his own beats:

 

 

 

 

There's even more examples such as the disco-inspired beats that he also did for Kim's Problématique album, song structures that are literally the same in terms of melody and it goes on and on. His style is pretty much recognizable even when he used to ghostproducer for some artists back in 2016.

 

Doja herself backtracked from her own comments later. I'm tired of y'all using conspiration theories to hide a certain level of hypocrisy.

Do you seriously think these two sound like each other?  

 

One is Ab Major with 129 bpm Tempo

While other is F#minor with 96 

 

If anything that Kim flop song is discount version of Starboy by Weeknd since they ripped the drums.

Edited November 29, 2022 by DojaCat

[BornUnbroken]

8 hours ago, Communion said:

Some of y'all are giving too much praise for a man whose work is largely now vanity credits. 

 

There's literally videos of Aaron and Kim in the studio making songs for Era 1 and - shocker - there is no Luke in sight. It's praising someone for giving himself a production credit for "finishing touches". 

 

That's the most absurd part of Kim's dedication to Luke - that it was clearly for the money and connections because the vast majority of her music is not produced by him and instead largely done by Aaron himself and others. And no, being signed to Prescription Songs as a songwriter doesn't justify using Luke's "fame" for leverage or PR because tons of songwriters who signed to RX beforehand for publishing don't do that.

 

In fact, Kim has literally had a falling out with both Sophia Black (with the rumored reason for their fallout being damning) and Jon Castelli, who used to actually help produce her music. Odd how Luke still needed Jon's ideas for Malibu thus the credit despite their falling out. 

 

People are going "YOU CAN JUST HEAR LUKE'S SIGNATURE TOUCH!!". Mama, that's Benny Blanco / Ammo / Cirkut / Aaron Joseph / Oliver Vaugh / etc. 

 

Adding on to this to say that Dr Luke was Max Martin's protege, and many of Fluke's #1 hits are co-produced alongside Martin. He's more of a con artist than anything else, the girls should stick to using Max Martin if they want good pop music.

[TomTom]

3 hours ago, FreeXone said:

So she told them 4 years prior to her big debut but her own mother and her still worked with him?

It all sounds strange. 

 

Please don't say anything about this topic ever again until you have the most basic clue of what's going on, thank you.

[BornUnbroken]

Kim Petras opened herself up to harsher criticism when she opened her mouth and implied Kesha lied. She's vehemently defended and supported Luke without any contractual obligations to do so. Doja and Becky G unfortunately signed before 2014, so they should understandably be exempt from criticism about having his name on credits + both haven't defended him and have actually spoken out in some way against him. And none of the other female artists like Saweetie and Latto have defended him the way she continues to do so.

 

This has nothing to do with transphobia. Kim deserves every bit of criticism thrown at her for defending that abuser. Obviously, Kesha stans are going to go hard on her just like any one of you would if your fave were in the same situation. Kim should've just sat there and ate her f*****g food

[TomTom]

It seems Kesha returned to Twitter at least for a moment because of this incident. She only used Instagram personally for a while now.

 

She replied to these tweets:

 

 

She also liked these tweets:

 

 

 

 

Edited November 29, 2022 by TomTom2288

[bestfiction]

12 hours ago, Archetype said:

Luke was and probably still is the reason why Kim can pay her rent.  He gave her a career asking for little to nothing in return.  I’m assuming hundreds of thousands or even over a million have been invested in her career by him and his label despite her never breaking out on her own.  He continues to let her release music and front the bill, she gets to perform her music at award shows, she gets to collab with Sam and score a #1 hit.  She is incredibly lucky.  Honestly, if you were in her position, would you feel like you have anything to apologize for?  

The person in my avi has been blocked from releasing music for almost an entire decade, there are so many people who wish they had the type of support and investment that Kim has.  She’s not going to feel bad about it and it’s easy to see why.  It’s her life at this point.  We can all judge her from the sidelines but most people would have done the same in her position.

What you're saying is valid, however it still doesn't cancel out that she's rightfully criticized for defending Luke. Had I been in her place, I would keep quiet and dodge the Luke questions at any opportunity

I also think it's a bit dishonest to say that Luke was her only chance of making it considering that we have multiple trans/non-binary/genderfluid artists that ultimately are in a better position than her, e. g. Arca, Sophie and Dorian Electra. Yes they're all indie but Arca is signed to a respectable indie label and gets enough investment to execute her intricate artistic vision, same applied to Sophie when she was alive. Dorian is literally with no label and they thrive off the internet hype. Obviously if she was set out to become the first trans mainstream pop star it would be harder, but Luke has never been her only option to maintain a music career. People from her inner circle have actually confirmed that she had multiple options presented to her in regards of who to work with. she choose Luke and will have to face consequences for it

As the saying goes, who eats with the devil must have a really long spoon, and it's the best way to describe Kim's situation. Tbh I don't even think she's happy at this point considering that her debut album has been shelved and leaked and she gets the heat all the time

[Archetype]

9 hours ago, Communion said:

Some of y'all are giving too much praise for a man whose work is largely now vanity credits. 

 

There's literally videos of Aaron and Kim in the studio making songs for Era 1 and - shocker - there is no Luke in sight. It's praising someone for giving himself a production credit for "finishing touches". 

 

That's the most absurd part of Kim's dedication to Luke - that it was clearly for the money and connections because the vast majority of her music is not produced by him and instead largely done by Aaron himself and others. And no, being signed to Prescription Songs as a songwriter doesn't justify using Luke's "fame" for leverage or PR because tons of songwriters who signed to RX beforehand for publishing don't do that.

 

In fact, Kim has literally had a falling out with both Sophia Black (with the rumored reason for their fallout being damning) and Jon Castelli, who used to actually help produce her music. Odd how Luke still needed Jon's ideas for Malibu thus the credit despite their falling out. 

 

People are going "YOU CAN JUST HEAR LUKE'S SIGNATURE TOUCH!!". Mama, that's Benny Blanco / Ammo / Cirkut / Aaron Joseph / Oliver Vaugh / etc. 

And who paid for all of this studio time with different producers and writers?  It surely wasn't Kim Petras.  She feels indebted to this man for giving her a career and orchestrating a record deal for her that was better than anything else she was being offered.  She knew the risk in continuing her professional relationship with him but felt it was worth it considering all that he's done for her while asking for nothing in return.  Like I keep saying, I don't blame her even if I think it's wrong to work with him.  Much easier for people to judge from the outside.

[Archetype]

14 minutes ago, bestfiction said:

I also think it's a bit dishonest to say that Luke was her only chance of making it considering that we have multiple trans/non-binary/genderfluid artists that ultimately are in a better position than her, e. g. Arca, Sophie and Dorian Electra. Yes they're all indie but Arca is signed to a respectable indie label and gets enough investment to execute her intricate artistic vision, same applied to Sophie when she was alive. Dorian is literally with no label and they thrive off the internet hype. Obviously if she was set out to become the first trans mainstream pop star it would be harder, but Luke has never been her only option to maintain a music career. People from her inner circle have actually confirmed that she had multiple options presented to her in regards of who to work with. she choose Luke and will have to face consequences for it

Kim wants to become a mainstream pop star with major label support and connections.  None of the people you mentioned are anywhere near that status and I'd argue, thanks to Sam Smith, Kim is/was somewhat closer than any other trans person in music ever before.  Most of us on here can realize she probably was never actually going to break out solo simply due to her sound, but that wasn't going to stop her from trying.  Luke was the person who funded all of this and she trusts him for that.  it is not a coincidence that she chose to sign with him, he gave her the best option and probably the most money even if she had other offers.  Luke is still getting hits left and right, he still has all of the right connections, his resume is impressive, and most importantly, they have a longstanding working relationship together.  This would be a no brainer in any other circumstance.  

20 minutes ago, bestfiction said:

As the saying goes, who eats with the devil must have a really long spoon, and it's the best way to describe Kim's situation. Tbh I don't even think she's happy at this point considering that her debut album has been shelved and leaked and she gets the heat all the time

Fully agree, she knowingly took a risk and she'll suffer any consequences.  I just don't really think constantly attacking her (not talking about you), out of all the people who Luke works with, makes any sense whatsoever, and the extent a certain fanbase comes for her is giving borderline obsession.  

[TomTom]

5 minutes ago, Archetype said:

and the extent a certain fanbase comes for her is giving borderline obsession

She voluntarily injected herself into this conversation over and over again and now she's suffering the consequences for it. Deal with it. If she wants to dish out and then can't take the heat, that's not our problem.

[gettsleazy]

8 hours ago, HEIDI said:

can’t believe society has been demoralized to the point where we forgo all basic human decency in search of quick dopamine hits (like Kim Petras music literally designed to hook a gay audience)

 

 

The comparisons to poppers REALLY check out 

 

[cockatoo]

14 hours ago, fountain said:

I don’t understand why people are deflecting to Doja or other artists who willingly or unwillingly have worked with the rapist… like this thread is literally about Kim’s disgusting comments, and whether or not others have worked with him she is the only one to stoop so low and say such things. There’s clearly a distinction. 

Classic whataboutism. Can't argue the point at hand so have to deflect to something else.

[samuel656]

5 hours ago, Archetype said:

And who paid for all of this studio time with different producers and writers?  It surely wasn't Kim Petras.  She feels indebted to this man for giving her a career and orchestrating a record deal for her that was better than anything else she was being offered.  She knew the risk in continuing her professional relationship with him but felt it was worth it considering all that he's done for her while asking for nothing in return.  Like I keep saying, I don't blame her even if I think it's wrong to work with him.  Much easier for people to judge from the outside.

Isn’t her family fairly wealthy? She was able to transition and receive gender reassignment surgery very early in life which is quite expensive especially because I don’t think insurance often paid for hormones, transition surgeries, etc, esp around 2012-2013. But she’s not from United States so I could be wrong about the healthcare part. But she also recorded numerous demos before meeting Luke, with her own paid studio time. According to her Wikipedia she released an EP in 2011, modeled for a German chain of hair salons in 2007 and probably gained a few thousands (10,000+)from that alone to solely invest in herself), and her father was an architect which pays fairly well and her mom was a choreographer. She had a lot of chances and resources to work with other people. I agree that she felt indebted to Luke after her first album/single compilation and Turn off the Lights. But let’s not act like she was struggling to pay rent and get food on the table. She even had a chance to stray from him after turn off the lights. The controversy surrounding her and Luke started brewing and she stayed with him. Maybe she’s scared of getting blacklisted in the industry but at this point she would’ve been better off staying unsigned vs where she is currently.

Edited November 29, 2022 by samuel656

[Johnny Jacobs]

How is the thank can be connected to her i don't understand tho

[NEUTRON]

On 11/27/2022 at 4:23 PM, GardenPanty said:

I wouldn't be ashamed either, Dr. Luke makes great pop music.

This. 

[Nido]

As a Kim listener/casual fan, this is getting so tired. This whole talk has been going on for years and nothing is gonna change what already happened, it just keeps getting brought up every other month which eventually leads to nowhere.

 

Now that she's signed to a major label, Kim could really use some media training just so she doesn't act on her impulses and open this can of worms again. She needs to stop giving people the chance to bandwagon and somehow attach her to the Luke/Kesha situation just because she's an easy target (which is exactly what she was complaining about).

 

Mama you just got a No.1 hit this year and you're nominated for Grammy even after all these dramas. Just ignore that random Twitter lashings and keeps on releasing music sis. Real life people just wanna hear bops, they don't care what artists do or who they work with.