celeb news Kim Petras on Dr. Luke: "I have nothing to be ashamed of” + Kesha responds

[rzal]

3 hours ago, Lady Claire said:

Kim was a broken trans girl from Germany who tried to have a career in L.A. She wasn't forced to sign any contract with Dr. Luke, and yes, she had options (she opened up about it herself in b4 y'all bump those dumb Aaron Joseph tweets) but the record labels were offering her to either hide the fact that she's trans or to make it her career all about it being a trans girl, and both made her uncomfortable. She was then presented to Dr. Luke who offered her a chance to be a popstar, be open about who she is and don't make it all about that. On top of that, like it or not, he's one of the best and biggest pop producers of our times... obviously she wouldn't miss that chance she couldn't work with anyone else back then under his belt and even though he's fishy they had a nice working relationship.

 

Now she's under a new recording contract, still is one of his artists but has the budget to work with more producers brought by Republic, and she's doing so. There's literally no reason for her to throw the man who basically gave her a career under the bus, especially if he hasn't done anything bad to her. I don't think Kim knows how to express herself correctly and takes too much of the heat, but it is what it is.

 

As of Doja Cat, she indeed signed with him before the allegations and she's still under a contract with him. She tried to save face on that RS interview for her Grammy campaign but after that she backtracked (something that people seem to forget). She was the one who brought Lukasz back to the mainstream scene, is paying his rent currently and doesn't look like she has a problem with him either, as they keep working together. She has the money and the power to not work with him anymore and could take it to the court like Kesha did if she was uncomfortable with that situation, but she's not doing that. She used to be a reddit troll and made fun of Amber Heard the other day, it makes me laugh when people think she's a non-problematic sweet angel  but that's another story.

 

Nicki is canceled every other week but she happens to have a strong fanbase to defend her, so her situation looks more of a 50/50 because of that. Saweetie and Latto aren't relevant enough for people to care about who they are working with. 99% of Kim's fanbase is made of gay boys and women, the target who actually cares about the Dr. Luke situation, so she's the one who's taking it harder.

 

I don't think Luke is a nice man as a person but he's an excellent producer. I don't think women should be blamed for his mistakes, even though they should take their part on not supporting him. Everyone who has a take on that situation starts with their "ifs" and "buts" when it comes to other artists besides Kim, when in reality the money still is going to his pocket when we stream his back catalogue + support his biggest songs currently (and none happens to be by Kim). If we're going to cancel one, then everyone should be canceled and if we're going to support one, then we shouldn't be hypocrites about it.

perfectly said! and yikes, i forgot doja cat publicly mocked rape and abuse survivor amber heard, she's truly a horrible woman  these doja cat stans in kim threads are truly beyond deluded 

2 hours ago, TomTom2288 said:

Kesha still does have to work with Dr. Luke on paper.

 

He has the right to produce at least six songs on every Kesha album per Kesha's 2005 contract with KMI. He only stopped enforcing this right after Kesha lost her motion for a preliminary injunction in 2016 because Sony assured the court that Kesha could work with other producers if she wanted to. That's why Dr. Luke is now suing Kesha for monetary damages for not working with him instead of blocking her releases.

 

With Doja Cat, we don't know the specifics, but in that one interview last year, she said Luke credits himself for songs he did not work on before she backtracked that statement and indicated that she actually does not want to work with him - yet he is consistently credit for a certain amount of songs on her albums which makes it seem like he gets the credits so that Doja Cat is not in breach of her contract (like Kesha was).

 

With Becky G, we also don't know the specifics, but it seems she started releasing music in Spanish to avoid having to work with Luke. It looks more like a loophole than an actual arrangement to not have to work with him (especially given her $100 million lawsuit against CORE Water where she extensively talked about Luke's fraudulent actions in the complaint).

girl please she tried to lie for PR during grammy campaign but there's several songs of hers where he's the only producer  

[TomTom]

Just now, rzal said:

girl please she tried to lie for PR

Sure. Everyone from Kesha to Doja Cat lies for PR, Dr. Luke is innocent and Kim Petras is unproblematic.

[Rodrighost]

This site is full of hypocrites. At least the Kesha stans are consistent, but we all remember how half of this forum was celebrating Big Energy grammy nom not long ago 

 

And let's not even go with that specific Doja stan and their rapist-count nonsense. Are you really gonna judge people based on how many abusers sorround them?  It doesn't make sense since sadly abusers are eveywhere. Most Kim detractors are gay men and it's truly ironic seeing them (us) call her out when we all know how full of predators our community is. Let's not sweep that under the rug. There's a high possibility that the gays coming at Kim have show/hang out with dudes that have shown Dr. Luke-like behaviour tbh.

 

Finally, what about calling the actual abusers out? If you are a #mutedrluke activist, why make excuses for songs produced by him, released under Kemosabe/Amigo records or have Prescription Songs listed on their credits? Just stop supporting him/his work. Come at women all you want, it's all smoke and mirrors if you fullfill his pockets one way or another.

[Archetype]

10 hours ago, bestfiction said:

Because she's a niche gay artist whose following is limited to Stan Twitter, they generally tend to be more woke and eager to drag people for their problematic actions. Other artists who worked with Luke have more mainstream presence and therefore are more able to get away with this. That doesn't make Kim any less wrong and gross in the situation though. Similar thing happened to slayyyter when her racist Twitter got exposed but she managed to bounce back from it by apologizing, something Kim has never done

 

Katy has never defended Like after the allegations became public btw

Luke was and probably still is the reason why Kim can pay her rent.  He gave her a career asking for little to nothing in return.  I’m assuming hundreds of thousands or even over a million have been invested in her career by him and his label despite her never breaking out on her own.  He continues to let her release music and front the bill, she gets to perform her music at award shows, she gets to collab with Sam and score a #1 hit.  She is incredibly lucky.  Honestly, if you were in her position, would you feel like you have anything to apologize for?  

The person in my avi has been blocked from releasing music for almost an entire decade, there are so many people who wish they had the type of support and investment that Kim has.  She’s not going to feel bad about it and it’s easy to see why.  It’s her life at this point.  We can all judge her from the sidelines but most people would have done the same in her position.

[JustHoran]

These new girls really can't handle ANYTHING. They could never have handled the early 2000's abuse that Britney got. Girl, log off.

[skankle]

4 hours ago, Lady Claire said:

Kim was a broken trans girl from Germany who tried to have a career in L.A. She wasn't forced to sign any contract with Dr. Luke, and yes, she had options (she opened up about it herself in b4 y'all bump those dumb Aaron Joseph tweets) but the record labels were offering her to either hide the fact that she's trans or to make it her career all about it being a trans girl, and both made her uncomfortable. She was then presented to Dr. Luke who offered her a chance to be a popstar, be open about who she is and don't make it all about that. On top of that, like it or not, he's one of the best and biggest pop producers of our times... obviously she wouldn't miss that chance she couldn't work with anyone else back then under his belt and even though he's fishy they had a nice working relationship.

...so she made her choice and is the Dr Luke pop girl rather than the trans pop girl and is facing the consequences. Am I meant to think this dilemma is comparable to the extensive legal proceedings and massive cost Doja would have to endure to unchain herself from Luke, as Kesha has been going through for 8 years?

[TomTom]

3 minutes ago, skankle said:

...so she made her choice and is the Dr Luke pop girl rather than the trans pop girl and is facing the consequences. Am I meant to think this dilemma is comparable to the extensive legal proceedings and massive cost Doja would have to endure to unchain herself from Luke, as Kesha has been going through for 8 years?

[Guest]

26 minutes ago, Rodrighost said:

This site is full of hypocrites. At least the Kesha stans are consistent, but we all remember how half of this forum was celebrating Big Energy grammy nom not long ago 

 

And let's not even go with that specific Doja stan and their rapist-count nonsense. Are you really gonna judge people based on how many abusers sorround them?  It doesn't make sense since sadly abusers are eveywhere. Most Kim detractors are gay men and it's truly ironic seeing them (us) call her out when we all know how full of predators our community is. Let's not sweep that under the rug. There's a high possibility that the gays coming at Kim have show/hang out with dudes that have shown Dr. Luke-like behaviour tbh.

 

Finally, what about calling the actual abusers out? If you are a #mutedrluke activist, why make excuses for songs produced by him, released under Kemosabe/Amigo records or have Prescription Songs listed on their credits? Just stop supporting him/his work. Come at women all you want, it's all smoke and mirrors if you fullfill his pockets one way or another.

Are you and other guy KatySpirit something the same person? There is no way all 3 Katy stans in this thread came up with something so dumb. 

Did you read what you wrote before you posted it?

 

 

Are you really gonna judge people based on how many abusers sorround them?  

 

Yes, if you had kids would you let your kids hang with 6 abusers?

 

There's a high possibility that the gays coming at Kim have show/hang out with dudes that have shown Dr. Luke-like behaviour tbh.

 

You don't leave your house that often do you? 

Edited November 28, 2022 by DojaCat

[Homebrand]

8 hours ago, CroNich said:

I stopped reading here. Go hate women somewhere else please.

I was saying that because I don’t have an opinion on the case, because it’d make no sense and unfair of me to draw a conclusion.
 

I never said anything about Kesha. This “hating on women” blanket excuse for everything whenever someone has an opinion you don’t agree about that involves your fave is absurd. Grow up.

[What_A_Mess]

Well Dr. Luke is a good producer. On par with Max Martin. 

[CroNich]

53 minutes ago, Homebrand said:

I was saying that because I don’t have an opinion on the case, because it’d make no sense and unfair of me to draw a conclusion.
 

I never said anything about Kesha. This “hating on women” blanket excuse for everything whenever someone has an opinion you don’t agree about that involves your fave is absurd. Grow up.

You clearly did have an opinion on the case? Go back a few pages love…

[CroNich]

8 hours ago, ugo said:

She does have a free pass, radios still play her and she still have a platform to talk. 

And Kim Petras just had a number one hit? What’s your point…

[Bussea]

1 hour ago, skankle said:

...so she made her choice and is the Dr Luke pop girl rather than the trans pop girl and is facing the consequences. Am I meant to think this dilemma is comparable to the extensive legal proceedings and massive cost Doja would have to endure to unchain herself from Luke, as Kesha has been going through for 8 years?

and is any of that even true. how were labels even gonna hide the fact that Kim was trans when it was a HUGE story about her transitioning when she was only 12

 

 

[CroNich]

6 hours ago, Lady Claire said:

Kim was a broken trans girl from Germany who tried to have a career in L.A. She wasn't forced to sign any contract with Dr. Luke, and yes, she had options (she opened up about it herself in b4 y'all bump those dumb Aaron Joseph tweets) but the record labels were offering her to either hide the fact that she's trans or to make it her career all about it being a trans girl, and both made her uncomfortable. She was then presented to Dr. Luke who offered her a chance to be a popstar, be open about who she is and don't make it all about that. On top of that, like it or not, he's one of the best and biggest pop producers of our times... obviously she wouldn't miss that chance she couldn't work with anyone else back then under his belt and even though he's fishy they had a nice working relationship.

 

Now she's under a new recording contract, still is one of his artists but has the budget to work with more producers brought by Republic, and she's doing so. There's literally no reason for her to throw the man who basically gave her a career under the bus, especially if he hasn't done anything bad to her. I don't think Kim knows how to express herself correctly and takes too much of the heat, but it is what it is.

 

As of Doja Cat, she indeed signed with him before the allegations and she's still under a contract with him. She tried to save face on that RS interview for her Grammy campaign but after that she backtracked (something that people seem to forget). She was the one who brought Lukasz back to the mainstream scene, is paying his rent currently and doesn't look like she has a problem with him either, as they keep working together. She has the money and the power to not work with him anymore and could take it to the court like Kesha did if she was uncomfortable with that situation, but she's not doing that. She used to be a reddit troll and made fun of Amber Heard the other day, it makes me laugh when people think she's a non-problematic sweet angel  but that's another story.

 

Nicki is canceled every other week but she happens to have a strong fanbase to defend her, so her situation looks more of a 50/50 because of that. Saweetie and Latto aren't relevant enough for people to care about who they are working with. 99% of Kim's fanbase is made of gay boys and women, the target who actually cares about the Dr. Luke situation, so she's the one who's taking it harder.

 

I don't think Luke is a nice man as a person but he's an excellent producer. I don't think women should be blamed for his mistakes, even though they should take their part on not supporting him. Everyone who has a take on that situation starts with their "ifs" and "buts" when it comes to other artists besides Kim, when in reality the money still is going to his pocket when we stream his back catalogue + support his biggest songs currently (and none happens to be by Kim). If we're going to cancel one, then everyone should be canceled and if we're going to support one, then we shouldn't be hypocrites about it.

 

Yes Doja is making Luke coin atm but take a minute to watch these well informed videos… he barely touches any of her music, she does a lot of it herself, he just slaps his name on it (against her wishes/will) so he can collect a pay check. The two situations are VERY different. I’m so sick of them being compared.

[Lady Claire]

19 minutes ago, CroNich said:

Yes Doja is making Luke coin atm but take a minute to watch these well informed videos… he barely touches any of her music, she does a lot of it herself, he just slaps his name on it (against her wishes/will) so he can collect a pay check. The two situations are VERY different. I’m so sick of them being compared.

Anyone who knows Dr. Luke's productions knows damn well he's the actual producer of Doja's songs. It's literally his style and he recycles his own beats:

 

 

 

 

There's even more examples such as the disco-inspired beats that he also did for Kim's Problématique album, song structures that are literally the same in terms of melody and it goes on and on. His style is pretty much recognizable even when he used to ghostproducer for some artists back in 2016.

 

Doja herself backtracked from her own comments later. I'm tired of y'all using conspiration theories to hide a certain level of hypocrisy.

[TomTom]

Just now, Lady Claire said:

Doja herself backtracked from her own comments later

That OBVIOUSLY was not voluntary and anyone with a brain knows it 

[Nip Tuck]

7 hours ago, Lady Claire said:

As of Doja Cat, she indeed signed with him before the allegations and she's still under a contract with him. She tried to save face on that RS interview for her Grammy campaign but after that she backtracked (something that people seem to forget). She was the one who brought Lukasz back to the mainstream scene, is paying his rent currently and doesn't look like she has a problem with him either, as they keep working together. She has the money and the power to not work with him anymore and could take it to the court like Kesha did if she was uncomfortable with that situation, but she's not doing that. She used to be a reddit troll and made fun of Amber Heard the other day, it makes me laugh when people think she's a non-problematic sweet angel  but that's another story.

So basically Doja should fight Luke in court (like Kesha did) and potentially end up in the same situation as her? Do you hear yourself?

 

Even if Luke did / didn’t get credits he didn’t deserve, we don’t know the specifics of Doja’s contract - it could be like Kesha’s or Becky’s where Luke is “entitled” to a certain number of productions per album. It is important to note that Luke had no involvement in her career and then suddenly when MOOO! blew up he was interested in her (I believe she’s said that before herself).

 

Also, firstly Amber herself is an abuser and secondly the part she “made fun” of wasn’t even in relation to abuse or any of that.

 

I know y’all love to use Doja as a scapegoat anytime Kim gets rightfully dragged but let’s use our brains for a second. Kim has actively defended him publicly. Doja has made an effort to distance herself and has never shown him support outside of credits on her music.

[Lady Claire]

47 minutes ago, TomTom2288 said:

That OBVIOUSLY was not voluntary and anyone with a brain knows it 

And anyone with a ear knows that Luke is indeed behind her songs

 

2 minutes ago, Nip Tuck said:

So basically Doja should fight Luke in court (like Kesha did) and potentially end up in the same situation as her? Do you hear yourself?

 

Even if Luke did / didn’t get credits he didn’t deserve, we don’t know the specifics of Doja’s contract - it could be like Kesha’s or Becky’s where Luke is “entitled” to a certain number of productions per album. It is important to note that Luke had no involvement in her career and then suddenly when MOOO! blew up he was interested in her (I believe she’s said that before herself).

 

Also, firstly Amber herself is an abuser and secondly the part she “made fun” of wasn’t even in relation to abuse or any of that.

 

I know y’all love to use Doja as a scapegoat anytime Kim gets rightfully dragged but let’s use our brains for a second. Kim has actively defended him publicly. Doja has made an effort to distance herself and has never shown him support outside of credits on her music.

This essay and mental gymnastics won’t change the fact that Miss Cat is filling Mr. Gottwald pockets even more than Kim and people who stream her music are also helping her with that! But whatever makes y’all sleep at night 

[Nip Tuck]

Just now, Lady Claire said:

This essay and mental gymnastics won’t change the fact that Miss Cat is filling Mr. Gottwald pockets even more than Kim and people who stream her music are also helping her with that! But whatever makes y’all sleep at night 

Essay meanwhile your original response was 5x longer than that… werk Lady Claire

 

Nobody is saying she isn’t but to act like it’s hypocritical to be harder on Kim despite the very different situations is definitely a choice. You can say it’s cause she’s trans and she didn’t have options all you want but it doesn’t change the fact she actively chooses to defend him.

[fountain]

I don’t understand why people are deflecting to Doja or other artists who willingly or unwillingly have worked with the rapist… like this thread is literally about Kim’s disgusting comments, and whether or not others have worked with him she is the only one to stoop so low and say such things. There’s clearly a distinction. 

[Starchild]

The gays on here are ******* embarrassing. I can't believe I'm seeing so many rape apologists (wait I can)

Y'all need to shut the **** up about **** you don't know 

[Starchild]

10 minutes ago, Nip Tuck said:

Essay meanwhile your original response was 5x longer than that… werk Lady Claire

 

Nobody is saying she isn’t but to act like it’s hypocritical to be harder on Kim despite the very different situations is definitely a choice. You can say it’s cause she’s trans and she didn’t have options all you want but it doesn’t change the fact she actively chooses to defend him.

Whew the way you're dragging these braindead stans  

[Communion]

3 hours ago, Archetype said:

He gave her a career asking for little to nothing in return

Some of y'all are giving too much praise for a man whose work is largely now vanity credits. 

 

There's literally videos of Aaron and Kim in the studio making songs for Era 1 and - shocker - there is no Luke in sight. It's praising someone for giving himself a production credit for "finishing touches". 

 

That's the most absurd part of Kim's dedication to Luke - that it was clearly for the money and connections because the vast majority of her music is not produced by him and instead largely done by Aaron himself and others. And no, being signed to Prescription Songs as a songwriter doesn't justify using Luke's "fame" for leverage or PR because tons of songwriters who signed to RX beforehand for publishing don't do that.

 

In fact, Kim has literally had a falling out with both Sophia Black (with the rumored reason for their fallout being damning) and Jon Castelli, who used to actually help produce her music. Odd how Luke still needed Jon's ideas for Malibu thus the credit despite their falling out. 

 

People are going "YOU CAN JUST HEAR LUKE'S SIGNATURE TOUCH!!". Mama, that's Benny Blanco / Ammo / Cirkut / Aaron Joseph / Oliver Vaugh / etc. 

[mxoonlight]

Her career really is in shambles.

[ugo]

4 hours ago, CroNich said:

And Kim Petras just had a number one hit? What’s your point…

It’s sam’s song 

 

I don’t think Kim will get a #1 for one of her songs while doja has a lot of hits