discussion Anti-Covid lockdown protests flare across China

[Kamil24]

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[Protocol]

It's really disturbing and sad how when Canadians organized to protest government lockdowns and restrictions here, the media and their various affiliated groups organized a mass information campaign to brand them as evil and irrational, but now that Chinese citizens are doing it against China, those same news organizations act like they are virtuous and righteous (which they are). And of now in Canada there are no COVID measures at all and life is continuing as normal, and no one has an issue because the media is telling them that things are fine now.

 

In both cases, the people are right. But it's sad how much of a sheep people are where they will blindly follow whatever the media (whether that be conservative or liberal) tell them.

 

Go on China. Hope Winnie's head is on top of a spike by the end of next year. Like Bjork said: DECLARE INDEPENDENCE! DON'T LET THEM DO THAT TO YOU!

[AlanRickman1946]

18 minutes ago, Protocol said:

It's really disturbing and sad how when Canadians organized to protest government lockdowns and restrictions here, the media and their various affiliated groups organized a mass information campaign to brand them as evil and irrational, but now that Chinese citizens are doing it against China, those same news organizations act like they are virtuous and righteous (which they are). And of now in Canada there are no COVID measures at all and life is continuing as normal, and no one has an issue because the media is telling them that things are fine now.

 

In both cases, the people are right. But it's sad how much of a sheep people are where they will blindly follow whatever the media (whether that be conservative or liberal) tell them.

 

Go on China. Hope Winnie's head is on top of a spike by the end of next year. Like Bjork said: DECLARE INDEPENDENCE! DON'T LET THEM DO THAT TO YOU!

Very good point!  you spilled I fear.

[Communion]

42 minutes ago, Protocol said:

how when Canadians organized to protest government lockdowns and restrictions here

  

23 minutes ago, AlanRickman1946 said:

Very good point!  you spilled I fear.

Are... are you referencing the far-right truck drivers who took cities hostage? 

Edited November 28, 2022 by Communion

[Protocol]

Just now, Communion said:

Are... are you referencing the far-right truck drivers who took cities hostage? 

You are a Chinese Communist Party apologist and sympathizer, you should've been banned a long long long time ago. I hope someone doxxes you. NEVER quote me ever again.

[Communion]

10 minutes ago, Protocol said:

You are a Chinese Communist Party apologist and sympathizer, you should've been banned a long long long time ago. I hope someone doxxes you. NEVER quote me ever again.

Did Justin Trudeau freeze YOUR bank account? Is that why you're so angry?  Exactly how many people do you want to die from COVID? You can't be against lockdowns AND vaccine mandates. 

 

That's why anti-vaxxers don't make sense. China can't shift out of Zero COVID without doing the very practices you're demonizing most governments for doing. 

 

What do you think a Canada without a vaccine mandate would now look like?

Edited November 28, 2022 by Communion

[Alldeezy]

Lockdowns are still a thing.   

[SmittenCake]

https://www.instagram.com/reel/ClfHxJsNVR9/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

 

my heart is with the people of china 

[harwee]

24 minutes ago, SmittenCake said:

https://www.instagram.com/reel/ClfHxJsNVR9/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

 

my heart is with the people of china 

 

wtf this is demonic.

 

 

[kwek_kwek]

Xi Jinping won’t backtrack his zero covid policy. If he does it, it means that his policy was a failure. He has such a high ego. 

[Soup in Teapot]

About damn time but I feel so worried about these people’s future…

[AlanRickman1946]

5 hours ago, Communion said:

  

Are... are you referencing the far-right truck drivers who took cities hostage? 

I believe in freedom of expression. Even if I despise what people are saying I believe in their right to protest.

 

When governments want to pass harsh draconian laws, they will do it first to a population of people the media doesn't like. In this instance, they froze some truckers bank accounts.

 

We should not normalise the governemts freezing our bank accounts as punishment if we haven't stolen anything. 

[Jotham]

[Protocol]

1 hour ago, AlanRickman1946 said:

I believe in freedom of expression. Even if I despise what people are saying I believe in their right to protest.

 

When governments want to pass harsh draconian laws, they will do it first to a population of people the media doesn't like. In this instance, they froze some truckers bank accounts.

 

We should not normalise the governemts freezing our bank accounts as punishment if we haven't stolen anything. 

Of course what you say is correct, the government freezing people's back accounts because they were protesting was completely dystopian and a crazy, illegal overreach of power. Trudeau should rot in prison for that along with everyone who approved that.

 

But I must also ask you, do not engage with that user, it is a communist party sympathizer and genocide denier. It will not respond in good faith. It should've been banned a LONG time ago and I hope ATRL's advertisers realize that's the kind of user some mods on this forum are allowing to stay unbanned. Maybe then it will get banned for good. Don't talk to it, don't respond to it. It will only find a way to twist your words and spout BS. Its words are poison.

[Orsay]

Messed up country. So is US of course, but they can both be.

[Jack.]

Wait so when the WEST protested they were extreme right wing nazis and now China is doing it and we’re clapping our hands screaming YAAAAS rise up against the tyranny!!

 

YALL  

[AlanRickman1946]

8 hours ago, Protocol said:

It's really disturbing and sad how when Canadians organized to protest government lockdowns and restrictions here, the media and their various affiliated groups organized a mass information campaign to brand them as evil and irrational, but now that Chinese citizens are doing it against China, those same news organizations act like they are virtuous and righteous (which they are). And of now in Canada there are no COVID measures at all and life is continuing as normal, and no one has an issue because the media is telling them that things are fine now.

 

In both cases, the people are right. But it's sad how much of a sheep people are where they will blindly follow whatever the media (whether that be conservative or liberal) tell them.

 

Go on China. Hope Winnie's head is on top of a spike by the end of next year. Like Bjork said: DECLARE INDEPENDENCE! DON'T LET THEM DO THAT TO YOU!

 

30 minutes ago, Jack. said:

Wait so when the WEST protested they were extreme right wing nazis and now China is doing it and we’re clapping our hands screaming YAAAAS rise up against the tyranny!!

 

YALL  

what protocol said 

[Mandalay]

The CCP has made China a mindless robot. Even their supposedly funny tiktoks are SICK. Like apart from raising the economy, the downfall in other areas is astounding. It's a good thing people there have VPN access.

 

OT: Rise up against Xitler.

 

P.S Ban that CCP apologist.

[Communion]

5 hours ago, AlanRickman1946 said:

I believe in freedom of expression. Even if I despise what people are saying I believe in their right to protest.

 

When governments want to pass harsh draconian laws, they will do it first to a population of people the media doesn't like. In this instance, they froze some truckers bank accounts.

 

We should not normalise the governemts freezing our bank accounts as punishment if we haven't stolen anything. 

Again, you and that self-professed "bad at expressing himself" (thus I'll asume theyre acting in good faith despite literal threats of doxxing ) user are ignoring the root issue. The protests that they originally mentioned in Canada were not over frozen bank accounts. Thar was a consequence of the protests not ending. The protests were over vaccine mandates. 

 

So answer the question - HOW is China supposed to begin ending Zero COVID if you are claiming vaccine mandates are "draconian"?

 

How many Chinese people dying is acceptable to you? Cause that's the literal reality here about how to transition out of a system losing efficacy like ZC. Ending ZC without any dynamic exit plan that includes a vaccine mandate would result in up to 5 Million added deaths from COVID in China. How do you avoid that without vaccine mandates? You can call someone a shill but all that does is reveal that you're being unserious about a public health issue and don't actually have a solution for a public health crisis you claim to be well-informed about. 

 

The irony that you're calling anyone acting in bad faith while still peddling the claim vaccines are somehow an ulterior tool "of mass control". There's no microchips. Hop down fron the ledge. 

Edited November 28, 2022 by Communion

[AlanRickman1946]

31 minutes ago, Communion said:

Again, you and that self-professed "bad at expressing himself" user are ignoring the root issue. The protests that they originally mentioned in Canada were not over frozen bank accounts. Thar was a consequence of the protests not ending. The protests were over vaccine mandates. 

 

So answer the question - HOW is China supposed to begin ending Zero COVID if you are claiming vaccine mandates are "draconian"?

 

How many Chinese people dying is acceptable to you? Ending ZC without any dynamic exit plan that includes a vaccine mandate would result in up to 5 Million added deaths from COVID in China. How do you avoid that without a vaccine mandates? You can call someone a shill but all that does is reveal that you're being unserious about a public health issue and don't actually have a solution for a public health crisis you claim to be well-informed about. 

 

The irony that you're calling anyone acting in bad faith while still peddling the claim vaccines are somehow an ulterior tool "of mass control". There's no microchips. Hop off the edge. 

What?

 

You can call someone a shill but all that does is reveal that you're being unserious about a public health issue and don't actually have a solution for a public health crisis you claim to be well-informed about. 

 

When did I call you a shill?

 

The irony that you're calling anyone acting in bad faith while still peddling the claim vaccines are somehow an ulterior tool "of mass control". There's no microchips. Hop off the edge

 

When did I say that you were acting in bad faith? I'm sure you believe every word of what you are saying. Did you even notice the tone of my previous post? It was so mild and non confrontational. You are so rude and nasty. If you want to persuade others to agree with you- you are doing a bad job of it. 

 

Yes i know that the freezing of bank accounts was a consequence of the protests. I think people should be able to protest even if I don't agree with what they are protesting about.

 

Weirdly i always thought you would be skeptical of the pharmaceutical knowing what happened to West Virginia. Anyway don't dismiss people who have genuine concerns as conspiracy theorists who are obsessed with microchips.

[Communion]

31 minutes ago, AlanRickman1946 said:

When did I call you a shill?

No one is saying you did. I'm addressing that you agree with that user, on that there are limits to what a government has the right to do to ensure public health, and asking you what then your proposal is. I'm addressing that you *could* do as that user did when asked for a real answer and suggest people are paid government operatives,.but their answer is nonsense that doesn't actually answer the question. So...what is your proposal?

 

That's why I reiterated that the protests in Canada were about vaccine mandates. If someone believes that the government has the authority to mandate people get vaccinated against COVID, that idea is inherently at odds with the idea that it is okay to protest against vaccine mandates. Protests are expressions of dissent on government authority. Anti-vaccine protests are protests against vaccines, not abstract personal liberties. 

 

When I ask you how many people Chinese should die, I'm not suggesting you want anyone to die. I'm simply speaking very bluntly about what the consequences of these public health decisions are. I can see that.my.tone is harsh but it is not personally aimed at.you, and that's my mistake if it is coming across as such when I'm really.just addressing the person calling for.me to be doxxed ().

 

Talking about bank accounts is a misnomer and a bit silly in the context of China since privacy of transactions is not some guaranteed liberty in China, and also nothing like such has happened in response to protests in China. The Canadian protests were factually a right-wing rejection of the idea that it was a duty to be vaccinated. Thankfully vaccine skepticism in China has nothing to do with those kind of right wing ideas and is largely down to older Chinese simply trusting TCM more. That's largely where any relevant introspection starts and stops because the entire debate on Zero COVID in China is whether isolated.community lockdowns or a vaccine mandate would cause more social unrest. Those are really the only two options here. Any pundit on Twitter suggesting otherwise is being unserious. 

Edited November 28, 2022 by Communion

[Kamil24]

13 hours ago, Protocol said:

It's really disturbing and sad how when Canadians organized to protest government lockdowns and restrictions here, the media and their various affiliated groups organized a mass information campaign to brand them as evil and irrational, but now that Chinese citizens are doing it against China, those same news organizations act like they are virtuous and righteous (which they are). And of now in Canada there are no COVID measures at all and life is continuing as normal, and no one has an issue because the media is telling them that things are fine now.

 

In both cases, the people are right. But it's sad how much of a sheep people are where they will blindly follow whatever the media (whether that be conservative or liberal) tell them.

 

Go on China. Hope Winnie's head is on top of a spike by the end of next year. Like Bjork said: DECLARE INDEPENDENCE! DON'T LET THEM DO THAT TO YOU!

well said  

[Gorgeous]

20 hours ago, Power love said:

It’s very clear this isn’t truly about Coviod 19 & there is some type of agenda  

China has been building more and more lockdown camps, basically prisons where people are forced to quarantine into cells. People who are obligated to go there are mostly bc their phone covid passport tells them to. Many people who go on protests or mass gatherings end up with a red covid passport which forces them to surrender to authorities to test and quarantine. 

 

This will end up with a tool that will allow the government to punish large groups of people who are likely to cause a protest. Imagine if some teacher at university reports to local authorities that their students have had a discussion against the government, then the passport will most likely turn red for everyone in that class and punish them with 2+ weeks of quarantine camp. 

 

I'm not a fan of spreading conspiracy theories, but it seems like the Chinese government has been looking for a way to mass control their society and have found one. When covid hit they were so eager to fix everything up and open up back to the world, but these past year they have switched around with the ''0 covid policy'' from Xi, which basically confirms to me my ''conspiracy''. 

[Gorgeous]

14 hours ago, Protocol said:

It's really disturbing and sad how when Canadians organized to protest government lockdowns and restrictions here, the media and their various affiliated groups organized a mass information campaign to brand them as evil and irrational, but now that Chinese citizens are doing it against China, those same news organizations act like they are virtuous and righteous (which they are). And of now in Canada there are no COVID measures at all and life is continuing as normal, and no one has an issue because the media is telling them that things are fine now.

 

In both cases, the people are right. But it's sad how much of a sheep people are where they will blindly follow whatever the media (whether that be conservative or liberal) tell them.

 

Go on China. Hope Winnie's head is on top of a spike by the end of next year. Like Bjork said: DECLARE INDEPENDENCE! DON'T LET THEM DO THAT TO YOU!

Same with Germany. Lockdowns were never the way to stop covid, and now we have a massive crisis ahead of us just bc it took politicians all over the world 1+ year to figure out basic guidelines in order to live with the virus. 

 

I still have to see governments apologise for the complete brainwashing and complete lies they were feeding us through the media. Covid was never going to go away and they knew that, they just weren't smart enough to let people live with few direct guidelines to stop spreading. I'm all for vaccines and masks (to some extent), but forcing people to stay at home for months on end will forever go as one of the biggest failures of western governments all around the world. 

[Gorgeous]

7 hours ago, Jotham said:

this last line about the arrest being mostly bc of covid prevention keeps proving my theory (a couple posts above) true.