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She’s undoubtedly is since AOTY 1989.

 

However is prefer the title “The music industry” over “queen of pop” (which is old and overused). 

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57 minutes ago, brainmaniac said:

A Black man won AOTY last year :rip:

Does it erase the fact that no black artists have won in the past 20 years but last year? Defending Grammy's blatant racism is blatantly racist- something Swifties know a thing or 2  about!!

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1 hour ago, Chris said:

Have you guys noticed it's the same three Swifties who continue to troll and make such dumb statements?

 

:soda:

Yes! 


Wouldn’t be surprised if they were all just one person with multiple accounts. 

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10 minutes ago, Sex with Rih said:

Does it erase the fact that no black artists have won in the past 20 years but last year? Defending Grammy's blatant racism is blatantly racist- something Swifties know a thing or 2  about!!

Besides Jon Batiste winning last year, in the past 20 years, OutKast, Ray Charles, and Herbie Hancock have also won :rip:

 

 If you want to make a point, at least make sure you get the facts right first :dies:

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14 hours ago, brenda-walsh said:

madonna will always be the queen of pop. her career is not only built on incredible sales and chart runs, but completely influencing everyday culture and changing the music industry.

 

taylor could never 

 

15 hours ago, L.B GAGA said:

Yes same as Streisand. Queen of Pop is a title for someone selling massive units while challenging culture norms and releasing iconic music hitting all fronts of fashion, dancable pop etc. Simply unique. Safe good adult contemporary mucis  always sells-Taylors in her own niche but not what queen of pop entails. 

Y'all get it!

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12 hours ago, Chris said:

 

Are you completely aware that Madonna and Taylor started at different ages?

 

Do you honestly think Taylor is going to have mega success in her 40s?

THIS

And even if she is still succesful during those years, what about her 50s? 60s? Only Madonna did it. Taylor Swift will NEVER be able to serve anything like this during her 50s (or even now, if were really going to be honest).

 

 

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2 hours ago, Artistofthedecade said:

Neither was Adele as we can see from her decline with her 4th album already. 

That’s such a dumb argument. Mind you,  30 will get to 10M faster than Reputation (5 years) and Lover (3.5 years) :deadbanana2: 

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24 minutes ago, georgechxng said:

That’s such a dumb argument. Mind you,  30 will get to 10M faster than Reputation (5 years) and Lover (3.5 years) :deadbanana2: 

No it won't. Reputation hit 10M in ~4 years and Lover in ~3 years. 

30 is 3.5M away from 10M and doing 3k daily which means it will hit 10M during its 4th year at the earliest even if it keeps stable for the next 3 years. 

 

Leave these Reputation/Lover/Folklore-30 comparisons in 2021 where 30 belongs. We really don't need this again after you promised us 30 was going to sell more than all of them the same year. All of them ended up much bigger, just like Midnights will. 

 

Fun fact - 

Daily units

Lover - 5,470 (3 years old) 

Reputation - 5,020 (5 years old) 

30 - 3,190 (1 year old) 

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6 minutes ago, Artistofthedecade said:

Reputation hit 10M in ~4 years and Lover in ~3 years. 

30 is 3.5M away from 10M and doing 3k daily which means it will hit 10M during its 4th year at the earliest

Again, you just proved my point. 30 is gonna end up being a Reputation/Lover sized era for Adele (in terms of total units… because when it comes to pure sales 30 leads and when it comes to singles, EOM is easily the biggest song of the 3 albums) so how come is that a huge success only when it applies to Taylor :deadbanana2:

 

Also, weird thing for you to ask to stop comparing those when you were the one to bring up 30 on the thread on the first place. 

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2 minutes ago, georgechxng said:

Again, you just proved my point. 30 is gonna end up being a Reputation/Lover sized era for Adele (in terms of total units…

How is it Lover sized era when it won't hit 10M units after 3 years like Lover did or have its excellent longevity :gaycat7:

Probably Lover will be approaching 15M units before its 6th year anniversary while 30 will be barely above 10M by its 5th or 6th year anniversary :rip:

 

 

7 minutes ago, georgechxng said:

Also, weird thing for you to ask to stop comparing those when you were the one to bring up 30 on the thread on the first place. 

To show that even with 5 more 30s, Adele would hardly catch up Taylor's career units so that 10 albums argument doesn't make much sense.

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3 hours ago, Atlantis said:

Their idea of critical acclaim are Metacritic scores :deadbanana:

Yes critical reviews tend to be a basis for acclaim

 

Forgotten Wigs and dresses are undeniable facts to some of you but actual numbers and data get ignored and laughed at lol

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Technically, she’s is todays Queen, but The Music Industry™️ is a cooler title and one that can only be attributed to her, so let’s stick with that one instead :turkey:

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3 hours ago, georgechxng said:

Again, you just proved my point. 30 is gonna end up being a Reputation/Lover sized era for Adele (in terms of total units… because when it comes to pure sales 30 leads and when it comes to singles, EOM is easily the biggest song of the 3 albums) so how come is that a huge success only when it applies to Taylor :deadbanana2:

 

Also, weird thing for you to ask to stop comparing those when you were the one to bring up 30 on the thread on the first place. 

Girl Lover won’t just stop selling, pretty sure it’s outcharting 30 on every single major chart already and outselling it :deadbanana2: it’s actually having some 1989 tier longevity

 

the gap between it and 30 will continue to widen with time in Lover’s favor

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5 hours ago, georgechxng said:

Again, you just proved my point. 30 is gonna end up being a Reputation/Lover sized era for Adele (in terms of total units… because when it comes to pure sales 30 leads and when it comes to singles, EOM is easily the biggest song of the 3 albums) so how come is that a huge success only when it applies to Taylor :deadbanana2:

 

Also, weird thing for you to ask to stop comparing those when you were the one to bring up 30 on the thread on the first place. 

Per ChartMaster :

 

30:

Total SPS - 6,523,000

Daily SPS increase (latest day) - 3,190

 

Lover: 

Total SPS - 9,961,000

Daily SPS increase (latest day) - 5,470

 

Reputation:

Total SPS - 10,993,000

Daily SPS increase (latest day) - 5,020

 

Good luck booking that Lover Reputation gigantic era :ahh:

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That isnt a title that will ever be transferred. It was meant for Madonna and it will stay that way, even if someone indeed surpasses her.

 

Taylor has her own title with "The Music Industry" either way.

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13 hours ago, Sex with Rih said:

Before Midnights, Taylor didn't have a bigger streaming day on Spotify than LMU yet she's supposedly bigger? Hasn't she released 7 albums since Rihanna's last? I would hope she is bigger cause it would be embarrassing if she wasn't. Let's see how R9 performs on Spotify!!

But LMU is Rihanna's biggest day :rip:

 

Before LMU, Rihanna didn't have a bigger streaming day than Look What You Made Me Do, ME, All Too Well (Taylor's Version), Willow, Cardigan, Exile, The 1, Love Story (Taylor's Version), You Need to Calm Down and probably others. :deadbanana4:

 

But good luck to R9. Hope it breaks the all-time records Midnights broke.

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45 minutes ago, Cloröx said:

Per ChartMaster :

 

30:

Total SPS - 6,523,000

Daily SPS increase (latest day) - 3,190

 

Lover: 

Total SPS - 9,961,000

Daily SPS increase (latest day) - 5,470

 

Reputation:

Total SPS - 10,993,000

Daily SPS increase (latest day) - 5,020

 

Good luck booking that Lover Reputation gigantic era :ahh:

In a few years, Reputation and Lover will have twice as units sold as 30. :rip:

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7 hours ago, Sex with Rih said:

Does it erase the fact that no black artists have won in the past 20 years but last year? Defending Grammy's blatant racism is blatantly racist- something Swifties know a thing or 2  about!!

Let's break this down shall we, looking at the past 20 years of AOTY winners:

 

2002 - Oh Brother Where Art Thou? OST - Various artists; mostly white, but including black artists like Chris Thomas King

 

2003 - Come Away With Me - Norah Jones, she is half Indian, half white, first person of Indian ancestry ever to win AOTY

 

2004 - Speakerboxx/The Love Below - Outkast, black

 

2005 - Genius Loves Company - Ray Charles, black

 

2006 - How to Dismantle An Atomic Bomb - U2, white

 

2007 - Taking the Long Way Home - Dixie Chicks, white

 

2008 - River the Joni Letters - Herbie Hancock, black

 

2009 - Raising Sand - Alisson Kraus & Robert Plant, white

 

2010 - Fearless - Taylor Swift, white

 

2011 - The Suburbs - Arcade Fire, white

 

2012 - 21 - Adele, white

 

2013 - Babel - Mumford & Sons, white

 

2014 - Random Access Memories - Daft Punk, white, but Nile Rodgers and Pharrell were a huge part of the album and campaign and received trophies as well

 

2015 - Morning Phase - Beck, white

 

2016 - 1989 - Taylor Swift, white

 

2017 - 25 - Adele, white

 

2018 - 24k Magic - Bruno Mars, Filipino/Puerto Rican

 

2019 - Golden Hour - Kacey Musgraves, white

 

2020 - WWAFA, WDWG? - Billie Eilish, white

 

2021 - Folklore - Taylor Swift, white

 

2022 - We Are - Jon Batiste, black

 

 

Black people are 13% of the American population. Excluding the Where Art Brother OST and Random Access Memories, they are 20% of AOTY winners in the last 20 years. That to me would seem like a fair overrepresentation to account for their outsized contributions to music. If they are racist against anyone, it would seem to be against Latinos, Asians and other non-black non-white ethnicities, who are barely represented at all and not at all in the case of Latinos.

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On 11/23/2022 at 9:58 PM, Gorjesspazze9 said:

When she surpasses Madonna icon status Globally then we can talk.  she will probably by the end of the decade tho. 

How? By selling “units”?

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