ZIVERT Posted November 14, 2022 Posted November 14, 2022 15 minutes ago, SadGirl said: the anti semitism in the thread already For real. The way they think it’s okay because it’s a “criticism of Israel”
Jjang Posted November 14, 2022 Posted November 14, 2022 (edited) because this is unproblematic: Or posing with the #1 fascist 7 minutes ago, SadGirl said: Jews around the world are genuinely concerned about anti semitism and Kanye's high profile remarks are making things worse for them. Choosing to focus on her being Israeli (and serving in the IDF while she was literally a singer there...) is weird because anti semitism is a real issue and not at all related to Israel/Palestine. Just admit you hate Jews and that you don't believe anti semitism is real and go on with your day oh please I supported other Jews when they came to clock Kanye. It’s just that I wont accept it from her or the massive Israeli push that is funding her and whatever agenda they’re trying to convey. How are you gonna clock Kanye West over a tweet yet in the same breath actively ignore that your country (that you served for and publicly support) is built on ethnically cleansed Palestinians and is only maintained through a brutal occupation She and other Israeli celebs of the same vein (like her ultra racist and fascist bestie, Natali Dadon) can suck it. Edited November 14, 2022 by Jjang
Minogue Posted November 14, 2022 Posted November 14, 2022 (edited) 12 minutes ago, FOCK said: Literally was never said & abhorrent to even suggest. What about “hateful statements” wasn’t clear? “You have a black man who’s been vocal about being made to feel subservient & contractually “owned”…” If we didn’t have context I thought you were talking about Mariah and Tommy ? you watered down the hell out it. He was stanning ******* HITLER left and right ? Edited November 14, 2022 by Minogue
SadGirl Posted November 14, 2022 Posted November 14, 2022 1 minute ago, Jjang said: oh please I supported other Jews when they came to clock Kanye. It’s just that I wont accept it from her or the massive Israeli push that is funding her and whatever agenda they’re trying to convey. How are you gonna clock Kanye West over a tweet yet in the same breath actively ignore that your country (that you served for and publicly support) is built on ethnically cleansed Palestinians and is only maintained through a brutal occupation She and other Israeli celebs of the same vein (like her ultra racist and fascist bestie, Natali Dadon) can suck it. the first pic is literally from an advertisement for a tv provider Anyway, Israel being Israel is not a justification to undermine Jews reactions and feelings. anti semitism is as old as Judaism and Jews are tired of it.
FOCK Posted November 14, 2022 Posted November 14, 2022 (edited) 6 minutes ago, ZIVERT said: For real. The way they think it’s okay because it’s a “criticism of Israel” Not one comment in here has been about Judaism or Jewish identity. Conflating Judaism and Jewishness with the act of apartheid & pointing out that the messenger in this instance has supported active murder of innocent women and children & relegated an entire ethnic group to second-class citizenry & inhumane living conditions, is in fact the problematic stance. That is not & will never be my understanding of Jewish values, and it’s a shame that anyone here is fine thinking it is. Edited November 14, 2022 by FOCK
Khal Posted November 14, 2022 Posted November 14, 2022 Two people on opposing sides can both come out looking foolish in a given situation. Kanye is an idiot for his comments, this try-hard person with her ugly, Joy Villa-esque outfit looks like a ****
Minogue Posted November 14, 2022 Posted November 14, 2022 Y’all know it’s mandatory to join the army in Israel right? ???
ZIVERT Posted November 14, 2022 Posted November 14, 2022 1 minute ago, FOCK said: Not one comment in here has been about Judaism or Jewish identity. Conflating Judaism and Jewishness with the active act of apartheid & pointing out that the messenger in this instance has supported active murder of innocent women and children & relegated an entire ethnic group to second-class citizenry & inhumane living conditions, is in fact the problematic stance. That is not & will never be my understanding of Jewish values, and it’s a shame that anyone here is fine thinking it is. You can twist and turn it all you want, but you were in here justifying Kanye’s point of view and are erasing Noa Kirel’s Jewish identity for your own agenda. Your understanding of Jewish values means nothing when you defend somebody’s right to praise Hitler. Shame on you.
Jjang Posted November 14, 2022 Posted November 14, 2022 (edited) 4 minutes ago, SadGirl said: the first pic is literally from an advertisement for a tv provider Anyway, Israel being Israel is not a justification to undermine Jews reactions and feelings. anti semitism is as old as Judaism and Jews are tired of it. I know it does not cure it from being problematic… context. Love how you ignored everything else I wrote cause you have no answer. Once again - I’m not dismissing anti semitism or Jews feeling any kind of way towards Kanye. I’m just saying that I’m not gonna accept this public statement from her, as I accepted it from other Jews. Just admit that YOU have a problem with people sticking up for Palestinian voices and are inherently anti - Palestinian. Edited November 14, 2022 by Jjang
liver Posted November 14, 2022 Posted November 14, 2022 27 minutes ago, SadGirl said: the anti semitism in the thread already can u give us one example of antisemitism in this thread?
Valentine Posted November 14, 2022 Posted November 14, 2022 I think the best way to shade Kanye is to not mention him at all. Stop giving his face and voice any relevance
SadGirl Posted November 14, 2022 Posted November 14, 2022 1 minute ago, Jjang said: I know it does not cure it from being problematic… context. Love how you ignored everything else I wrote cause you have no answer. Once again - I’m not dismissing anti semitism or Jews feeling any kind of way towards Kanye. I’m just saying that I’m not gonna accept this public statement from her, as I accepted it from other Jews. Just admit that YOU have a problem with people sticking up for Palestinian voices and are inherently anti - Palestinian. I'm not anti Palestinian I 'ignored' what you said because I'm not trying to defend her. My original point was and still is that you and multiple users would rather stick to mentioning Israel's crimes because you don't want to come against anti semitism, which is the issue
SadGirl Posted November 14, 2022 Posted November 14, 2022 4 minutes ago, liver said: can u give us one example of antisemitism in this thread? Bringing up Israel instead of coming out against anti semitism
ZIVERT Posted November 14, 2022 Posted November 14, 2022 Anyways, to show up at the European Music Awards held in Düsseldorf, Germany as a Jewish woman, wearing Jewish imagery and mocking a modern day antisemite, when less than a century ago that country was dead set on wiping out the Jewish people is a powerful statement.
Jjang Posted November 14, 2022 Posted November 14, 2022 1 minute ago, Minogue said: Y’all know it’s mandatory to join the army in Israel right? ??? She made it clear time and time again that she wanted to serve in the army because she supports and believes in the IDF values. Someone rich and famous like her can find her loopholes around it if she wanted to (like others before her) and the prison punishment is not even that bad/long… I have Druze / Jewish friends who denied serving and were bailed out with money. You can go in circles but nothing will ever justify actively supporting an illegally occupying entity that dominates the lives of millions of Palestinians and steals their basic ass right for freedom.
Jjang Posted November 14, 2022 Posted November 14, 2022 3 minutes ago, SadGirl said: I'm not anti Palestinian I 'ignored' what you said because I'm not trying to defend her. My original point was and still is that you and multiple users would rather stick to mentioning Israel's crimes because you don't want to come against anti semitism, which is the issue But once again - I did support other Jews when they came for Kanye, like Noga Erez. You are anti Palestinian because you cant even fathom that the Palestinian issue is relevant here.
ZIVERT Posted November 14, 2022 Posted November 14, 2022 2 minutes ago, Jjang said: But once again - I did support other Jews when they came for Kanye, like Noga Erez. You are anti Palestinian because you cant even fathom that the Palestinian issue is relevant here. You keep telling on yourself that there’s a way to be a “good” Jew and a “bad” Jew, and somehow the bad ones don’t deserve your criticism of antisemitism it even feels icky reading the word “Jew” from you
SadGirl Posted November 14, 2022 Posted November 14, 2022 2 minutes ago, Jjang said: But once again - I did support other Jews when they came for Kanye, like Noga Erez. You are anti Palestinian because you cant even fathom that the Palestinian issue is relevant here. So because I'm able to separate two identities (Jewish and Israeli) I'm anti Palestinian? anti semitism is real and it is not justifiable under any situation, not even her being Israeli
Jjang Posted November 14, 2022 Posted November 14, 2022 (edited) 5 minutes ago, ZIVERT said: You keep telling on yourself that there’s a way to be a “good” Jew and a “bad” Jew, and somehow the bad ones don’t deserve your criticism of antisemitism it even feels icky reading the word “Jew” from you Its not about being a good Jew or not (that comment was in direct response to the post I was responding to… context) its about whether you are a good person or not. And to me, someone who supports an ongoing genocide in the name of “Israel” is a bad person. Whether it is a Jew or a Christian, kappish? Edited November 14, 2022 by Jjang
Jjang Posted November 14, 2022 Posted November 14, 2022 (edited) 2 minutes ago, SadGirl said: So because I'm able to separate two identities (Jewish and Israeli) I'm anti Palestinian? anti semitism is real and it is not justifiable under any situation, not even her being Israeli Once again, its not about her being just Israeli. Noga Erez is Israeli too its about her being Israeli AND supporting an apartheid regime / being besties with literal Israeli government funded fascists Yall really think you’re doing something. Edited November 14, 2022 by Jjang
Bosque Posted November 14, 2022 Posted November 14, 2022 18 minutes ago, Jjang said: She made it clear time and time again that she wanted to serve in the army because she supports and believes in the IDF values. Someone rich and famous like her can find her loopholes around it if she wanted to (like others before her) and the prison punishment is not even that bad/long… I have Druze / Jewish friends who denied serving and were bailed out with money. You can go in circles but nothing will ever justify actively supporting an illegally occupying entity that dominates the lives of millions of Palestinians and steals their basic ass right for freedom. So she needs to go prison before she’s allowed to criticize someone for praising Hitler?
littlepotter Posted November 14, 2022 Posted November 14, 2022 3 hours ago, Squall said: Stop reaching, Taylor smiling to her on a pic has nothing to do with her being amused by her outfit You don't think Taylor would be amused by her outfit?
Squall Posted November 14, 2022 Posted November 14, 2022 3 minutes ago, littlepotter said: You don't think Taylor would be amused by her outfit? I am just saying the picture in the OP doesn’t prove anything, it’s just speculation
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