celeb news Kit Connor: Heartstopper fans forced me to come out

[gloamingtheplain]

21 hours ago, GraceRandolph said:

Sorry, but we need labels. Someone wanting to be “unlabeled” can literally mean anything from bicurious to 99% gay. We need concrete ways to define ourselves as a community. 

We really don’t. Science confirmed sexuality is an ever moving spectrum not something concrete. 
 

All labels do is cause negative attention when someone who says they’re bi because they are bi, suddenly moves to the more het side of the spectrum over time (which happens a lot) and they have to “re-come out”. 

 

It’s an archaic labelling system and since every gay man on the planet seems to confirm “I’ve had sex with a straight guy” shows how useless labels are often more than not.
 

People should feel free to be themselves without having to think about the label they’re under. 

[GraceRandolph]

38 minutes ago, gloamingtheplain said:

We really don’t. Science confirmed sexuality is an ever moving spectrum not something concrete. 
 

All labels do is cause negative attention when someone who says they’re bi because they are bi, suddenly moves to the more het side of the spectrum over time (which happens a lot) and they have to “re-come out”. 

 

It’s an archaic labelling system and since every gay man on the planet seems to confirm “I’ve had sex with a straight guy” shows how useless labels are often more than not.
 

People should feel free to be themselves without having to think about the label they’re under. 

Honey this post is ridiculous. Science shows women’s sexuality is more fluid, but for men that’s often not the case, and a concrete interest is persistent across a lifetime. The fact that some straight guys want to experiment doesn’t change the fact that for most people their sexuality is a fixed trait like eye color or race. 

[ATRL Moderation Team]

11 hours ago, Joesuxx said:

Like whether he's genuinely Bi or not is by the by so to speak. But I have said it before and will say it again with this show and one's like it. Whereas it's important to have shows like this for younger viewers we are already in the grey area. People in their twenties and thirties should have zero investment in shows and books written for children and the YA bracket. It's completely bizarre i watched 20 minutes and thought I was on Nickelodeon not Netflix. As an adult man I had zero interest in pursuing it. With a cast that are predominantly minors/ or look like it - how responsible are these adults fetishising them and forcing them to discuss aspects of their sexuality? Like let's just call it for what it is. If you're over the age of twenty and you're invested in this show (without it making you any money) then you're either a Japanese woman or a pedophile.

Flagrant racism calls for a ZTP. 

[anti-bitch]

21 minutes ago, GraceRandolph said:

Honey this post is ridiculous. Science shows women’s sexuality is more fluid, but for men that’s often not the case, and a concrete interest is persistent across a lifetime. The fact that some straight guys want to experiment doesn’t change the fact that for most people their sexuality is a fixed trait like eye color or race. 

I know you are trying to be like Grace Randolph with your hot takes, but there's many contradicting studies about sexual orientation. It doesn't make any sense for women to be somehow genetically more fluid than men. I just think it's easier for them to talk about it. And I know many young guys are down to experiment with other guys, it's not just a thing for college girls. And you can only imagine how it's gonna be in the future. There must be a socially influenced element to human sexual behavior. Like think about Ancient Greece and Rome, what went down there. And you can see it now with all research pointing to that younger people are more open with sexuality than older.

[Blankspace2010]

11 hours ago, Joesuxx said:

Neither are the gay porn bars for straight women to fetishise queer men but there they are and they're making a profit. You can be invested in something without being sexually attracted to the character's. Like all those people who grew up with Harry Potter or something BUT to adopt a whole new franchise that is solely marketed towards children in your mid twenties/early thirties is nothing shy of bizarre, especially when the people doing so are only interested in doing so because of the sexualisation and orientation of the School age children. If the kids in this show were straight - straight adult men would not be watching it, neither would you, nor hounding the cast irl.  It's weird, very very weird. You ask any adult on the street if they would spend their spare time watching children's television they would quite honestly say no. It's strange behaviour, even stranger to consume things solely because you're gay and the media in question is gay. Like with the exception of *****graphy who chooses to watch anything simply because a few characters are gay? 

I’m going to say this very slowly so you can understand me. 
 

You’re dumb. 
 

[anti-bitch]

4 hours ago, Relampago. said:

Well. There you go. That’s all there really is to say  

To you and @BlueTimberwolf I wanna say that being unlabeled doesn't mean playing both sides. And people have said that about bisexuals since forever. It's just not fair to say that, so please don't! I know people want simple answers and categories, but sexuality is a very complex topic. Kit wasn't really forced to come out, yes, but he was forced to define himself more precisely. In his heart he probably still thinks he's unlabeled. And it's his life, it's nobody else's business really.

[GraceRandolph]

10 minutes ago, anti-***** said:

I know you are trying to be like Grace Randolph with your hot takes, but there's many contradicting studies about sexual orientation. It doesn't make any sense for women to be somehow genetically more fluid than men. I just think it's easier for them to talk about it. And I know many young guys are down to experiment with other guys, it's not just a thing for college girls. And you can only imagine how it's gonna be in the future. There must be a socially influenced element to human sexual behavior. Like think about Ancient Greece and Rome, what went down there. And you can see it now with all research pointing to that younger people are more open with sexuality than older.

Studies do show women are more sexually fluid than men though. Of course socialization plays a role, but lesbian women for instance are more likely to date men later on than gay men are to date women later on after coming out. The idea that sexuality is fluid for everyone is so problematic and invalidating for those of us who don’t have a “fluid” sexuality, which is part of the reason we fought for gay rights to begin with, because this is an inescapable reality for our entire lives, not just something we can turn on or off. 

[Blankspace2010]

Imagine thinking people are paedophiles for watching positive and affirming content that pertains to their culture and lifestyle after decades of oppression, hate and negative connotations to their person due to their sexuality. It baffles me how stupid some people are. Why can’t we enjoy finally being accepted and embraced by society? 
 

Conservatives called gay people paedophiles to scare everybody into hating us and taking our rights away. 
 

And now liberals are calling gay people paedophiles for embracing LGBTQI acceptance in the name of performative “woke progressivism” which they think gains them liberal brownie points - I got news for you, you’re just a left wing conservative. You still want people to be conservative but via your left wing political viewpoint. In the end, you still abuse and attempt oppress people. 

 
 

Why are gay people always the tools for the bi-partisan agenda of left and right  to propel their form of conservatism and control over society? Leave us alone. We just want to be happy that finally we are represented through mainstream media and that the current generation can benefit from that. 

Edited November 1, 2022 by Blankspace2010

[anti-bitch]

Just now, GraceRandolph said:

Studies do show women are more sexually fluid than men though. Of course socialization plays a role, but lesbian women for instance are more likely to date men later on than gay men are to date women later on after coming out. The idea that sexuality is fluid for everyone is so problematic and invalidating for those of us who don’t have a “fluid” sexuality, which is part of the reason we fought for gay rights to begin with, because this is an inescapable reality for our entire lives, not just something we can turn on or off. 

But gay rights should be there no matter if it's a fixed or fluid orientation. And I know people are born gay or destined to be trans, but again, even if you only figure it out later in life, it's still valid. Some people are gonna be bigoted regardless. No amount of studies is going to change their minds as long as they have the bible and believe in it. And actually I don't think gay rights and religious freedom can co-exist, but that's a topic for other time.

[GraceRandolph]

3 minutes ago, anti-***** said:

But gay rights should be there no matter if it's a fixed or fluid orientation. And I know people are born gay or destined to be trans, but again, even if you only figure it out later in life, it's still valid. Some people are gonna be bigoted regardless. No amount of studies is going to change their minds as long as they have the bible and believe in it. And actually I don't think gay rights and religious freedom can co-exist, but that's a topic for other time.

Obviously they should, but in the real world where organized religion is still a huge influence in most corners of the world, it makes sense why the born this way and immutable people’s experiences and prioritized. Sorry, I am gay and always have been. My life will not be the same as someone who is straight who is okay with having gay sex occasionally or someone who is on the asexuality spectrum but appears heteronormative from the outside. We don’t need to focus on the fluidity all the time. 

[anti-bitch]

6 minutes ago, GraceRandolph said:

Obviously they should, but in the real world where organized religion is still a huge influence in most corners of the world, it makes sense why the born this way and immutable people’s experiences and prioritized. Sorry, I am gay and always have been. My life will not be the same as someone who is straight who is okay with having gay sex occasionally or someone who is on the asexuality spectrum but appears heteronormative from the outside. We don’t need to focus on the fluidity all the time. 

Ofc not focus on fluidity, but there should be room for it in queer spaces and conversations. And someone mentioned earlier in this thread that if being non-binary in gender is allowed then why not in terms of sexuality as well. And I'm gay too, but I feel for Kit. And I think it's good to have questioning/unlabeled representation out there too. Maybe Alice Oseman should have written that character to be so from the start.

[John Slayne]

that is so sad. queerbaiting is a useful concept for the analysis of broader use of queerness in media, but should absolutely not be applied to individuals like this.

 

all y'all did was harass a teenager into something they were not ready for and felt uncomfortable with. i hope he's doing well.

[Yves]

Lots of weirdos in the internet. Poor guy.

[John Slayne]

1 hour ago, GraceRandolph said:

it makes sense why the born this way and immutable people’s experiences and prioritized.

it does not, i feel like this argument is very reductive for the gay rights movement. sure, it might be effective to convince some people, but ultimately that's not really the point of queerness, is it? 

 

it's also encouraging research into eugenics, the obsession with finding 'the gay gene', for what exactly? so that homophobic straight couples could exterminate us. the conversation should be about how there is nothing wrong with us and with our lives, not that we are these freak victims of natural circumstance so they should extend human rights to us out of pity. 

 

that's not liberation to me. i did not choose to be gay, but i do choose to live openly and honestly every day. i would much rather demand respect for my choice than tell people that 'it's not my fault'. 

[vale9001]

Who cares about an actor sexuality. This thing you have to be gay for making a gay role is so stupid. Should an agent, a producer, a casting director ask to an actor how much gay he is on a scale?. He's acting, he can be everything. Being gay it's not a physical condition as the colour of skin or others kind of things. Only a person can know what he is. 

Edited November 2, 2022 by vale9001

[Cheers]

 damn people go hard for this show. is it really that good? likeee

[Comedor]

he was already into men and now he gets pus too who cares

 

 

[Alexis Neiers]

peoples current obsession with celebrities "queerbaiting" is so dumb like..  isit really that deep

[commander]

This is like the gay equivalent of “everybody wants to be black, but nobody wants to be black”. 

[KillingYourCareer]

On 11/1/2022 at 2:16 PM, Totami Legend said:

The dramatics  you're a rich kid you will be fine trust me 

Like... is it that hard not to open the Twitter app? Smells a bit like "I want attention but make it look like I want the opposite" even though all of those rats who bullied him should've been ignored

Edited November 3, 2022 by KillingYourCareer

[Totami Legend]

2 hours ago, KillingYourCareer said:

Like... is it that hard not to open the Twitter app? Smells a bit like "I want attention but make it look like I want the opposite" even though all of those rats who bullied him should've been ignored

he should get therapy cause It's very weird how a bunch of twitter girls made him do something against his will on a public space. 

[igninton]

Stinks of PR stunt.

[Zaram]

ATRL gays will always stay bitter losers  Poor guy

[Flanders]

This is really toxic and I feel bad for him, BUT I always assumed he was gay or bi, didn't everyone...? The show was promoted on Netflix as being played by real LGBT actors, so I just always figured he was queer.

 

But yeah once again online fan culture shows how ugly it is

[Hot Volcano]

15 minutes ago, Flanders said:

This is really toxic and I feel bad for him, BUT I always assumed he was gay or bi, didn't everyone...? The show was promoted on Netflix as being played by real LGBT actors, so I just always figured he was queer.

 

But yeah once again online fan culture shows how ugly it is

We knew he was part of the LGBT community, the thing is, everyone wanted to know if he was gay or bi and he clearly wasn't comfortable with labeling himself publicly.