greeneyedsoul Posted October 29, 2022 Posted October 29, 2022 Am I missing something? How are there predictions for Spotify streams now?
GoodGuyGoneGhetto Posted October 29, 2022 Posted October 29, 2022 (edited) 21 minutes ago, The Music Industry said: Side note but I love how y'all try to use the fact that it's a tribute song as an excuse that is somehow supposed to justify it having somewhat underwhelming numbers. As if a song being a tribute hasn't historically being beneficial (see See You Again and Candle In The Wind for instance). Again, are you f*cking serious? Why are you comparing “Lift Me Up” to “See You Again” or “Candle In The Wind”? 1) There hasn’t been a single song to sell as much as “CITW” did (3.4M) in its first week nor sell as much as it did in its entirety, and that song was released 25 years ago. 2) ”See You Again” took 6 weeks to climb to #1 on the Hot 100 after a relatively slow start. - “CITW” was a tribute to Princess Diana, a Global cultural icon and ex-consort of the most famous royal family in the world whose life and story had been followed for decades by her fans, the media and general members of the public. - Paul Walker was the lead movie star in a film series that already had six instalments spanning a decade and was internationally popular. Boseman’s film career was mostly small, he broke through in the early 2010’s and “BP” was his biggest role. There have been countless tribute songs released in the last 20 years. Since when do all become massive hits just because they’re made in respect of a celebrity or star? 21 minutes ago, The Music Industry said: Those were instantly released alongside albums which SMASHED HARD and took attention away from the actual singles. Releasing singles as standalones always means more streams for that particular song than if they were released alongside the actual album. That's partly why EOM and As It Was had such huge debuts. There's no way they would've done just as much if they were released alongside 14 other tracks. That's also why ME! and LWYMMD had bigger debuts that cardigan and willow. I truly do not see the correlation between that situation and Rihanna's song, which - I cannot stress this enough - was massively hyped as it is her first standalone song in YEARS and is being promoted to an insane degree. Those 2 situations simply cannot be compared and to pretend they can is weird given the totally different contexts Again… ”Easy On Me” was Adele’s first song in five years that was also promoted as the LEAD SINGLE to her NEW ALBUM and ERA. Adele announced the single 10 days before its official release, teased on IG live, posted its lyrics and then her label announced it and promoted from then onward. It wasn’t a tribute OST song. “As It Was” was Style’s lead single to usher in his new album era after coming off of a successful sophomore era with multiple hits only two years prior. It wasn’t a tribute OST song. 21 minutes ago, The Music Industry said: That's not what I'm saying. I pray for her it's the floor and NOT the ceiling cause chile if that's the best she can do after years of people anticipating her comeback . Swift’s highest debut on Global Spotify was 7.8M with “ME!” in 2017, and this was before “A-H”. “Cardigan” and “Willow” didn’t come close. Rihanna’s highest debut was “WORK” in 2016 with just over 6M. This song done 9M with the two versions combined!!! Are you telling me this was the best Swift could do before last week? You know damn well Rihanna is doing infinitely higher when she drops the lead. Edited October 29, 2022 by GoodGuyGoneGhetto
The Music Industry Posted October 29, 2022 Posted October 29, 2022 2 minutes ago, GoodGuyGoneGhetto said: Again… ”Easy On Me” was Adele’s first song in five years that was also promoted as the LEAD SINGLE to her NEW ALBUM and ERA. Adele announced the single 10 days before its official release, teased on IG live, posted its lyrics and then her label announced it and promoted from then onward. It wasn’t a tribute OST song. “As It Was” was Style’s lead single to usher in his new album era after coming off of a successful sophomore era with multiple hits only two years prior. It wasn’t a tribute OST song. And yet the "OST song" - as you like to reduce it to - had bigger playlisting and a bigger radio deal than both of these. Go figure
GoodGuyGoneGhetto Posted October 29, 2022 Posted October 29, 2022 (edited) 5 minutes ago, The Music Industry said: And yet the "OST song" - as you like to reduce it to - had bigger playlisting and a bigger radio deal than both of these. Go figure Its radio debut is 2M AI ahead of “EOM”. - EOM: 25M - LMU: 27M EOM then moved another ~30M AI the following day before topping overall radio a mere two weeks later. Not to mention that “EOM” had less formats and still did that much. But yes… Considering Rihanna is the BIGGEST U.S Radio Artist since 1991, confirmed by both BB and Mediabase, with a whooping 13 #1’s, I’d expect her to have a large debut. Edited October 29, 2022 by GoodGuyGoneGhetto
lonnie Posted October 29, 2022 Posted October 29, 2022 8 minutes ago, The Music Industry said: As if a song being a tribute hasn't historically being beneficial (see See You Again and Candle In The Wind for instance). The fact that you could only come up with two songs, neither by female artists and one that was (re)released 25 years ago? Like Like if you have to go that far back and the best you could do was two songs out of all the songs that have topped the charts these past 25 years then what does that show you? And part of the point is that OST tracks aren't usually the kind that smash. Even for other artists: for example Cuff It is a much bigger hit than Spirit and Be Alive despite the latter two getting some form of promo and Cuff It being left alone by Bey and smashing (mostly) on its own. No one's arguing that Lift Me Up isn't being promoted or that it would have done as well as it's done without the effort put into its promotion. But to act like a tribute soundtrack, promo or no promo, is the kind of song that's typically going to storm the charts is plain delusion and the only reason you're even implying it is because this is Rihanna. C hances are if Taylor dropped a single today off an album with little to no promo (which has happened before) and a song from a soundtrack with little or no promo (which has happened before) the single off the album is more likely to do better and you know this The only reason you're going on and on about promo is because you clearly wish Lift Me Up had less promo and that you'd have greater opportunity to drag 22 minutes ago, The Music Industry said: 'Carolina' which was for an indie movie Since when is a film that had a 25M budget and that is being distributed by Sony Pictures and is based off a novel that's literally sold tens of millions of copies indie? Like the fact you would literally lie and mould the truth to reflect whatever point it is you want to portray but completely disregard all other facts just proves you're either consciously or unconsciously trolling. Like you really shouldn't be taken seriously at this point
lonnie Posted October 29, 2022 Posted October 29, 2022 4 minutes ago, GoodGuyGoneGhetto said: Its radio debut is 2M AI ahead of “EOM”. - EOM: 25M - LMU: 27M EOM then moved another ~30M AI the following day before topping overall radio a mere two weeks later. Not to mention that “EOM” had less formats and still did that much. But yes… Considering Rihanna is the BIGGEST U.S Radio Artist since 1991, confirmed by both BB and Mediabase, with a whooping 13 #1’s, I’d expect her to have a large debut. Do radio deals even have a big impact (or any) on Spotify debuts in the first place? Like why are we even arguing about radio in a thread about streaming Seems like another straw to clutch at like that one member that was in here trying to drag the song for not topping iTunes (at that time)
GoodGuyGoneGhetto Posted October 29, 2022 Posted October 29, 2022 Just now, lonnie said: Do radio deals even have a big impact (or any) on Spotify debuts in the first place? Like why are we even arguing about radio in a thread about streaming Seems like another straw to clutch at like that one member that was in here trying to drag the song for not topping iTunes (at that time) I’m genuinely shocked that this BRITISH CIGARETTE had the audacity to come in here and try and compare “LMU” to “CITW” and “SYA” of all songs. One is the best-selling song of all-time, both in the U.S and WW, and was a tribute to a motherf*cking princess known the world over and the other was a tribute to a movie star from one of the most famous film series of all time. Seriously? 36 minutes ago, The Music Industry said: As if a song being a tribute hasn't historically being beneficial (see See You Again and Candle In The Wind for instance).
infrared Posted October 29, 2022 Posted October 29, 2022 People going to war soundtrack singles rarely do well, so there’s really nothing for both bases to get riled up about - R9 will obliterate the girls
igotabigfatass Posted October 29, 2022 Posted October 29, 2022 The essays from both sides this is streaming era - it's litereally impossible to predict whether something is going to be big bomb or colossal smash. This is Rihanna, and I bet they were sort of testing the waters with new music. I'm certain whatever she releases next will be very different. OT: Amazing debut.
lonnie Posted October 29, 2022 Posted October 29, 2022 1 minute ago, GoodGuyGoneGhetto said: I’m genuinely shocked that this BRITISH CIGARETTE had the audacity to come in here and try and compare “LMU” to “CITW” and “SYA” of all songs. One is the best-selling song of all-time, both in the U.S and WW, and was a tribute to a motherf*cking princess known the world over and the other was a tribute to a movie star from one of the most famous film series of all time. Seriously? Mind you Candle In The Wind was originally a tribute to Marilyn Monroe and didn't smash at first (wasn't even released in the U.S. at first) and it only smashed after being re-released 24 years later in 1997 after Princess Diana died, so the comparison makes no sense in whatever level. The hoops being created and jumped just to try and drag because they were prepared to in the first place (and I don't blame then even I didn't think the song would do as well as its done) is just insane Like literally no one said or thought Lift Me Up was going to do Candle In The Wind after Princess Diana died numbers
Brando Posted October 29, 2022 Posted October 29, 2022 47 minutes ago, greeneyedsoul said: Am I missing something? How are there predictions for Spotify streams now? I'd like to know as well. That same user predicted first day numbers very accurately very early in the day
The Music Industry Posted October 29, 2022 Posted October 29, 2022 (edited) 9 minutes ago, lonnie said: Like literally no one said or thought Lift Me Up was going to do Candle In The Wind after Princess Diana died numbers 18 minutes ago, GoodGuyGoneGhetto said: I’m genuinely shocked that this BRITISH CIGARETTE had the audacity to come in here and try and compare “LMU” to “CITW” and “SYA” of all songs. One is the best-selling song of all-time, both in the U.S and WW, and was a tribute to a motherf*cking princess known the world over and the other was a tribute to a movie star from one of the most famous film series of all time. Seriously? I literally just said as a side note that using a song being a tribute as an excuse when someone drags the song's performance is a non-starter. I never claimed it would be as big as those songs yet y'all saw that one sentence, ran with it and went on an endless tangent for a reason Edited October 29, 2022 by The Music Industry
The Music Industry Posted October 29, 2022 Posted October 29, 2022 (edited) 34 minutes ago, GoodGuyGoneGhetto said: Its radio debut is 2M AI ahead of “EOM”. - EOM: 25M - LMU: 27M ...So a bigger radio deal and more playlisting, just like I said ... despite "only being a tribute OST song!!!!!!!!" , mind you Edited October 29, 2022 by The Music Industry
lonnie Posted October 29, 2022 Posted October 29, 2022 6 minutes ago, The Music Industry said: I literally just said as a side note that using a song being a tribute as an excuse when someone drags the song's performance is a non-starter. I never claimed it would be as big as those songs yet y'all saw that one sentence, ran with it and went on an endless tangent for a reason You literally gave those two examples as reason that Lift Me Up was bound to be a massive hit, and it was shown how the songs were anomalies. Give a tribute song by a female artist released these past ten years that was a massive hit if being a tribute is only an excuse and that tribute songs smash all the time 2 minutes ago, The Music Industry said: ...So a bigger radio deal and more playlisting, just like I said ... despite "only being an OST song!!!!!!!!" , mind you I still don't understand what's the issue or what you're saying? That the song is flopped? Like cut to the chase we're going in circles at this point what does a radio deal have to do with this song's Spotify debut?
Finkypop Posted October 29, 2022 Posted October 29, 2022 The walls of text in here OT: I hope it serves longevity
Finkypop Posted October 29, 2022 Posted October 29, 2022 2 hours ago, popmusic said: Today main version should get 4.5m - 4.7m unfiltered streams and around 4.3m - 4.5m filtered but we'll see after counters update. I-
brenda-walsh Posted October 29, 2022 Posted October 29, 2022 these are actually really great. don't understand how anyone could say otherwise
Taylena Posted October 29, 2022 Posted October 29, 2022 17 minutes ago, Brando said: I'd like to know as well. That same user predicted first day numbers very accurately very early in the day 1 hour ago, greeneyedsoul said: Am I missing something? How are there predictions for Spotify streams now? I don't think it's a prediction. Artists and labels have available to them a live count of a song's streams so they probably just get their info from someone with access to that.
The Music Industry Posted October 29, 2022 Posted October 29, 2022 (edited) 44 minutes ago, lonnie said: You literally gave those two examples as reason that Lift Me Up was bound to be a massive hit, and it was shown how the songs were anomalies Y'all need to learn how to read properly I said that it being a tribute shouldn't be used as an excuse to justify lackluster numbers and that a song being a tribute can actually contribute to a song's success, and gave examples. No where did I say it would be just as big as those songs or that it being a tribute makes it a lock-in massive it like what EVEN 44 minutes ago, lonnie said: I still don't understand what's the issue or what you're saying? That the song is flopped? Like cut to the chase we're going in circles at this point what does a radio deal have to do with this song's Spotify debut? My whole point from the start was simply that the numbers are underwhelming given the massive promotion it's getting, that it's attached to one of the most anticipated movies in ages, that this is Rihanna's first song in 6-7 years and that it had a lot of hype surrounding it. I made this very clear. Y'all didn't like what I was saying and started quoting and now you say you don't get my point Edited October 29, 2022 by The Music Industry
State of Grace. Posted October 29, 2022 Posted October 29, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, lonnie said: Let alone those songs: take Beautiful Ghosts, which like Lift Me Up, was also a song literally tailored to tell part of a story in a movie and is probably Taylor's biggest flop and flopped to oblivion and back. But if anyone were to claim that it was Taylor's comeback after her Lover era they'd see the folly in such argument but because it's Rihanna reason was thrown out of the window and a song that's clearly meant to pray tribute more than anything else is suddenly meant to smash on everything the minute it was released Beautiful Ghosts wasn't a comeback song after a 6 years break, wasn't a tribute song for one of the most anticipated movies of the year (in fact it was in a panned bomb), didn't receive massive playlisting on Spotify and Apple Music, didn't have a massive radio deal across multiple formats, didn't have a music video.... like....be serious Edited October 29, 2022 by State of Grace.
Jude Posted October 30, 2022 Posted October 30, 2022 The prediction is kinda worrying tbh especially that it's unfiltered. It might dip below 4M filtered.
Literature Posted October 30, 2022 Posted October 30, 2022 12 hours ago, ImsoLOUD said: A spade is a space. Taylor’s current chart success is unmatched, but I still have no doubts. these are great numbers generally, but considering this song had almost SEVEN YEARS worth of hype and a massive push on radios and social media its hard not to feel a bit underwhelmed. i initially thought it was doing 20M tbh. the fact its slow definitely hurts the numbers, but first day everyone should be tuning in regardless and that affects longevity rather than debut Also, people saying anti-hero is benefitting from an album bomb.....
Literature Posted October 30, 2022 Posted October 30, 2022 10 hours ago, Icarus said: Explaining the 27M radio debut: it’s Rihanna’s first single in 7 years!!!! Of course it will debut huge!!11 Explaining debuting below Taylor and Kim Petras on Spotify: it’s an unpromoted soundtrack single ballad, no one had big expectations!!11 So what is it 9 hours ago, lonnie said: What it is is that she might get something your fave Camila has never had: a solo top ten the PIVOT
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