KeshaSwift Posted October 30, 2022 Posted October 30, 2022 12 hours ago, Lover said: Lady Gaga w 190 million records? ffffff - OT: She is the only heiress to Madonna, Yes
Chris Posted October 30, 2022 Posted October 30, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Arcadius said: I can't believe some people are actually denying Madonna's success and impact. It's just the usual idiots plus a dupe. OT: Madonna is STILL the Queen of Pop and nothing will change that. Madonna's QOP title literally goes BEYOND her music fyi but of course I would not expect some of you to understand that. Edited October 30, 2022 by Chris
Phaunzie Posted October 31, 2022 Posted October 31, 2022 Madonna still is and will always be QoP due to her impact on the pop game and her risk taking. Taylor can stick to her 'The Music Industry' stick for her sales.
Lover Posted October 31, 2022 Posted October 31, 2022 11 hours ago, Chris said: It's just the usual idiots plus a dupe. OT: Madonna is STILL the Queen of Pop and nothing will change that. Madonna's QOP title literally goes BEYOND her music fyi but of course I would not expect some of you to understand that.
Chris Posted October 31, 2022 Posted October 31, 2022 On 10/29/2022 at 4:00 PM, momal said: and her 80s sales are questionable because shipments =/= sales Oh? Then what about...... Speak Now is certified 6x Platinum meanwhile actual units are 4,710,000. Red is certified 7x Platinum meanwhile actual units are 4,490,000. 1989 is 9x Platinum meanwhile actual units are 6,250,000 and so on and so forth. Explain please?
Meev Posted November 1, 2022 Posted November 1, 2022 17 hours ago, Chris said: Oh? Then what about...... Speak Now is certified 6x Platinum meanwhile actual units are 4,710,000. Red is certified 7x Platinum meanwhile actual units are 4,490,000. 1989 is 9x Platinum meanwhile actual units are 6,250,000 and so on and so forth. Explain please? That is pure sales you are quoting. 1989 for example is eligible for diamond for its SPS.
Xder Posted November 2, 2022 Posted November 2, 2022 yes she is very successful but she doesn't have a lot of hits she is like 4 hit wonder WW ... so she is a queen of pop ????????????????
Protocol Posted November 2, 2022 Posted November 2, 2022 2 minutes ago, Xder said: yes she is very successful but she doesn't have a lot of hits she is like 4 hit wonder WW ... so she is a queen of pop ???????????????? "Love Story" "I Knew You Were Trouble" "Shake It Off" "Blank Space" "I Don't Wanna Live Forever" "Look What You Made Me Do" "Anti-Hero" No one comes close to Madonna's global hitmaking domination from 1984-2008 but Taylor has several WW hits
Where are you now? Posted November 3, 2022 Posted November 3, 2022 On 10/29/2022 at 6:35 PM, dirrtydiana said: Things that can’t be manipulated like charts, awards, critics. Basically everything you were to take away from her and she’d be left with nothing. Everything she lacks. Undeniable impact, time transcending music, iconography time is the ultimate truth teller. and truth is no one will remember her work post 1989. You sound desperately bitter. No one remembers He About To Lose Me
Where are you now? Posted November 3, 2022 Posted November 3, 2022 Everyone mad in here that Taylor doesn’t have any huge iconic pop culture moments…. Good. Because thats what has honestly helped her longevity. Things like the “meat dress” the “vmas kiss”, or “naked on a wrecking ball” make an artist peak and the GP grows tired of their shenanigans. Swift doesn’t need iconic moments in pop culture to be successful or have longevity. Her iconic-ness is the incredibly deep and caring relationship she has built with her fans, her relatability and songwriting
OreGuy Posted November 3, 2022 Posted November 3, 2022 Taylor won't ever touch that status. She is not groundbreaking enough. She just exists and releases music that sells well. She doesn't move the conversation, she doesn't make the people think (childish easter eggs don't count). Madonna remains the QoP.
KillingYourCareer Posted November 3, 2022 Posted November 3, 2022 Yeah, nobody's taking that title away from Madonna. She was 20+ years into her career and still getting global smashes that everyone heard, and giving legendary performances and tours. Untouchable legacy.
chiliam Posted November 3, 2022 Posted November 3, 2022 On 10/29/2022 at 5:13 PM, LosingHimWasBlue said: I prefer The Music Industry instead Queen of Pop. This. Taylor is more than a pop star. Like pop is a big part of her career but lets not forget how she completely dominate the country scenes as a teenager and folkmore is not traditional pop stars sound at all.
Heartbreak Prince Posted November 3, 2022 Posted November 3, 2022 Taylor is erasing all of the other woman’s records at this point. Most #1 albums on Billboard by a female artist, most top 10’s on Billboard by a female artist, the upcoming tour will most likely become the highest grossing female tour of all time…at some point, she becomes the best selling female of all time too. Taylor is also doing it with grace, dignity and class, something the other woman hasn’t had in…..years? Sounds like The New Queen of Pop & The Music Industry to me!
wanderlust Posted November 3, 2022 Posted November 3, 2022 (edited) 14 hours ago, Protocol said: "Love Story" "I Knew You Were Trouble" "Shake It Off" "Blank Space" "I Don't Wanna Live Forever" "Look What You Made Me Do" "Anti-Hero" No one comes close to Madonna's global hitmaking domination from 1984-2008 but Taylor has several WW hits the only ww hit a lot of people know is "shake it off". im from europe and never heard love story or most of the songs you listed. taylor is culturally NOTHING. madonna in her peak (and that's a long ass peak) was the female MJ, the top of the world. this article alone proves she's the epitome and therefore is always gonna be more important than vanilla taylor. Edited November 3, 2022 by wanderlust
Aria0327 Posted November 3, 2022 Posted November 3, 2022 The music industry has that quality to make people fume so that
dirrtydiana Posted November 3, 2022 Posted November 3, 2022 7 hours ago, Where are you now? said: You sound desperately bitter. No one remembers He About To Lose Me ? what is that and why are people supposed to remember it?
suburbannature Posted November 3, 2022 Posted November 3, 2022 On 10/31/2022 at 12:57 PM, Chris said: Oh? Then what about...... Speak Now is certified 6x Platinum meanwhile actual units are 4,710,000. Red is certified 7x Platinum meanwhile actual units are 4,490,000. 1989 is 9x Platinum meanwhile actual units are 6,250,000 and so on and so forth. Explain please? oof
Lover Posted November 4, 2022 Posted November 4, 2022 22 hours ago, KillingYourCareer said: Yeah, nobody's taking that title away from Madonna. She was 20+ years into her career and still getting global smashes that everyone heard, and giving legendary performances and tours. Untouchable legacy.
La Reina Posted November 4, 2022 Posted November 4, 2022 Even if other women like Taylor eventually surpass Madonna in sales, Madonna's cultural impact will never be touched. She was there for it all. The 80s pop mania, the NYC scene, Andy Warhol, the AIDS crisis, the rise of ballroom culture, speaking out against sexism on the news, dominating film and music, etc.
The Music Industry Posted November 4, 2022 Posted November 4, 2022 On 10/29/2022 at 6:22 AM, FightForTanas said: Let's see if people will still be singing her songs in 30 years like they are Madonna's. Girl... Madonna is no where to be found in the top 200 most daily streamed artists. Meanwhile several acts from the 70s, 80s and 90s are charting nonstop. Her music isn't that used anymore and that's just a fact
Kakihara Posted November 4, 2022 Posted November 4, 2022 (edited) On 10/29/2022 at 4:42 AM, TheRealGâteau said: Oh, Jesus... "But Madonna didn't chart 6-7 albums every week", "But Madonna doesn't have an album with 500+m streams" Is that actual ignorance or trolling? Why are we comparing two completely different ways of music consumption and market logics? Madonna SOLD millions of records worldwide. In dimensions Taylor could only dream of. No one outside of this forum seriously regards to Taylor Swift as the Queen of Pop (and never will) other than maybe a few heartbroken pre-pubescent white US-American girls and gays. I just wish.... Ugh... Most people who love Madonna's music have her CDs or downloads the songs, I assure you my mom and aunts don't stream stuff other than Youtube videos. They won't be paying to listen to music they already own Madonna has 20m monthly listeners on Spotify alone, that's just the newest generations and a few hip parents and grandparents. The disrespect it's too much. I like Taylor, and she's breaking records left and right but please have some respect, you have no idea the impact Madonna had in the 80s, we didn't live through it but we can always learn about it. Streams? Different CD versions? Short film music videos? These stuff didn't exist back then, is not fair to compare and even then M still has more than decent stats even when she insist of being cringe sometimes. Yes, Taylor is amazing, but please stop disrespecting Madonna like this. 5 hours ago, La Reina said: Even if other women like Taylor eventually surpass Madonna in sales, Madonna's cultural impact will never be touched. She was there for it all. The 80s pop mania, the NYC scene, Andy Warhol, the AIDS crisis, the rise of ballroom culture, speaking out against sexism on the news, dominating film and music, etc. All this. Sales aren't everything- Edited November 4, 2022 by Kakihara
izzyinsane Posted November 4, 2022 Posted November 4, 2022 On 10/29/2022 at 3:22 AM, FightForTanas said: Let's see if people will still be singing her songs in 30 years like they are Madonna's. This. The whole "New Queen of Pop" argument is tired. Nobody will ever take that title from Madonna. She has actual classics that stand the test of time.
FightForTanas Posted November 4, 2022 Posted November 4, 2022 5 hours ago, The Music Industry said: Girl... Madonna is no where to be found in the top 200 most daily streamed artists. Meanwhile several acts from the 70s, 80s and 90s are charting nonstop. Her music isn't that used anymore and that's just a fact Thats like saying Aretha Franklin isnt a Legend because people dont stream her anymore. Girl shut up.
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