Chris Posted October 29, 2022 Posted October 29, 2022 This thread basically being a Madonna vs Taylor stan war. Ladies.....
Soda Pop Queen Posted October 29, 2022 Posted October 29, 2022 9 hours ago, TheRealGâteau said: Oh, Jesus... "But Madonna didn't chart 6-7 albums every week", "But Madonna doesn't have an album with 500+m streams" Is that actual ignorance or trolling? Why are we comparing two completely different ways of music consumption and market logics? Madonna SOLD millions of records worldwide. In dimensions Taylor could only dream of. No one outside of this forum seriously regards to Taylor Swift as the Queen of Pop (and never will) other than maybe a few heartbroken pre-pubescent white US-American girls and gays. TEA.
momal Posted October 29, 2022 Posted October 29, 2022 I don't like either of them, but Swift is definitely bigger force in music than Madonna, at least in the US where Madonna's never had a #1 year-end album, huge debut week, 1 million selling weeks, 10 million selling album through Soundscan (Whitney did). She's a singles artist, her best selling album is a collection of singles and her 80s sales are questionable because shipments =/= sales. Celine Dion has sold more albums than her. And yes, Titanic Soundtrack counts to her total, the only reason that it sold 30 million (more than any Madonna album) is because of MHWGO, it was the only single from that album and no one cares about those flops ass instrumentals, Billboard even gave her Album of the year award for Titanic winning.
Carla Rosón Posted October 29, 2022 Posted October 29, 2022 10 hours ago, Raptus said: Worry about Janet and her pathetic numbers Madonna is doing fine It ain't no Janet stan. It's just justing that avi to set her up.
ricardoazevedo Posted October 29, 2022 Posted October 29, 2022 10 hours ago, KatyPrismSpirit said: Madonnas 10th album was when she was 47 sis… Taylor is 32 with her 10th album and its debuting with 1.6M first week sales. Taylor is currently the age Madonna was during Like A Prayer… Taylor has so much time to surpass madonna and thats just the truth. Where was Madonna debuting with 1.6M albums first week and 1 million pure copies? Taylors catalog besides that is also just simply iconic and universally adored. Taylor catalog is iconic or adored? Sure .... I remember you that people who buy or stream today are young, M fan base is diverse, Taylor don`t have a Like a Prayer or Erotica, even a Immaculate Collection. In my country Taylor music is known but Madonna is more, Madonna have here 9 n1 and Taylor only one. My country is little but we love music, and as you can see Taylor isn`t so much universal as much say, and M was n1 with Finaly Enough Love an album without new music. Can you see the difference?
ricardoazevedo Posted October 29, 2022 Posted October 29, 2022 10 hours ago, Moonlight Nation said: The titles of King and Queen of Pop should not be passed down from generation to generation. It's counterintuitive and frankly disrespectful. Focusing on Madonna here, she broke countless boundaries in terms of sexual expression, tackled several controversial topics in her music and videos, popularized reinventing one's sound and image each era, and took an innovative approach to touring that has since become the standard for all female performers. That's why she's the Queen of Pop and will always keep that title beyond sales and numbers. Taylor is building a beautiful and impressive career in her own right, so it's only fair she's given her own unique title. Considering her incredible consistency and longevity (reaching new peaks when least expected), unbelievable commercial power, and her fight for artists' rights - be it with her Spotify boycott or her raising awareness to the important of owning your masters, 'The Music Industry' is very fitting. Correct.
Xtianlofbritney Posted October 29, 2022 Posted October 29, 2022 (edited) Madonna queen of pop michael jackson king of pop britney princess of pop taylor music industry all are happy Edited October 29, 2022 by Xtianlofbritney
ricardoazevedo Posted October 29, 2022 Posted October 29, 2022 7 hours ago, PopKills said: What I would find interesting to know is if Madonna had a hardcore fanbase like Taylor back in the day? She had, They were called Wannabe...try to search, you will find in youtube.
Chris Posted October 29, 2022 Posted October 29, 2022 1 hour ago, momal said: I don't like either of them, but Swift is definitely bigger force in music than Madonna, at least in the US where Madonna's never had a #1 year-end album, huge debut week, 1 million selling weeks, 10 million selling album through Soundscan (Whitney did). She's a singles artist, her best selling album is a collection of singles and her 80s sales are questionable because shipments =/= sales. Celine Dion has sold more albums than her. And yes, Titanic Soundtrack counts to her total, the only reason that it sold 30 million (more than any Madonna album) is because of MHWGO, it was the only single from that album and no one cares about those flops ass instrumentals, Billboard even gave her Album of the year award for Titanic winning. And still Madonna is considered to be the highest selling and most successful female recording artist of all time. Not Whitney, not Celine Dion of all people.
dirrtydiana Posted October 29, 2022 Posted October 29, 2022 10 hours ago, Steve Jobs said: Since when is that title only tied to sales and chart runs? Good for TS for selling a billion albums but the cultural significance is non-existent compared to Madonna. Because that’s what’s convenient to them. and yes, in the terrible state that the music industry has been in for years, then “the music industry” suits her best. Even though it’s male dominated and her stuff is forgettable and has no staying power since 1989
WildHeart Posted October 29, 2022 Posted October 29, 2022 3 hours ago, stevyy said: Also: Isn't it true that Madonna has outsold Taylor in The US by 2:1 and in the rest of the world by at least 6/7 : 1? How does Maths work when people say that she has surpassed Madonna? Well it is not true. https://chartmasters.org/best-selling-artists-of-all-time/ 10 minutes ago, dirrtydiana said: Even though it’s male dominated and her stuff is forgettable and has no staying power since 1989 If you say so
Alexz Posted October 29, 2022 Posted October 29, 2022 12 hours ago, KatyPrismSpirit said: Everyone knows madonnas songs?? Why do some of her #1 hits only have 5M streams on spotify then? That makes no sense.. Because her audience bought her CD singles and they overplayed them on CD players back in the day?
Alexz Posted October 29, 2022 Posted October 29, 2022 12 hours ago, Rep2000 said: Name one Madonna song people actually sing in 2022 beside like Like a Virgin. Let make it easy and try to find one Madonna song that people actually use for singing shows like The Voice or Idol etc. Holiday Material Girl Vogue Like A Prayer La Isla Bonita Hung Up
stevyy Posted October 29, 2022 Posted October 29, 2022 1 hour ago, momal said: I don't like either of them, but Swift is definitely bigger force in music than Madonna, at least in the US where Madonna's never had a #1 year-end album, huge debut week, 1 million selling weeks, 10 million selling album through Soundscan (Whitney did). She's a singles artist, her best selling album is a collection of singles and her 80s sales are questionable because shipments =/= sales. Celine Dion has sold more albums than her. And yes, Titanic Soundtrack counts to her total, the only reason that it sold 30 million (more than any Madonna album) is because of MHWGO, it was the only single from that album and no one cares about those flops ass instrumentals, Billboard even gave her Album of the year award for Titanic winning. 1) It was ultimately harder for female acts in the 80s to get the #1 album. 2) huge debut weeks were not a thing. 3) pre-soundscan era, Soundscan didn't even cover 90% of the US music market in the late 1990s. 4) a singles act? LOL, yeah... brain worms... omg... ehm, Madonna is the only female recording artist (dead or alive) who has surpassed 200 million albums sales. I'm speaking of sales and not some streaming formula. Her biggest competition is Céline at #2 with 175 million and Mariah at 150 million. 5) no and no. (accoridng to the music industry, it's a no on both points). The logic also works the other way around, MHWGO only being so big because of the movie. Even Thriller - an album which sold more than 65 million units worldwide, hasn't debuted with 1 million sales.
momal Posted October 29, 2022 Posted October 29, 2022 8 minutes ago, stevyy said: 1) It was ultimately harder for female acts in the 80s to get the #1 album. 2) huge debut weeks were not a thing. 3) pre-soundscan era, Soundscan didn't even cover 90% of the US music market in the late 1990s. 4) a singles act? LOL, yeah... brain worms... omg... ehm, Madonna is the only female recording artist (dead or alive) who has surpassed 200 million albums sales. I'm speaking of sales and not some streaming formula. Her biggest competition is Céline at #2 with 175 million and Mariah at 150 million. 5) no and no. (accoridng to the music industry, it's a no on both points). The logic also works the other way around, MHWGO only being so big because of the movie. Even Thriller - an album which sold more than 65 million units worldwide, hasn't debuted with 1 million sales. 1.it was harder but it wasn't impossible. Whitney was the first female to debut at #1, the first one to have #1 year-end album in the US. Madonna wasn't on her level 2.maybe debut weeks not, but even there Whitney got 1 million selling weeks with the Bodyguard, Celine was doing 800 000 copies, Madonna never came close 3.nobody cares about those cheap ass club sales where you could buy 12 albums for $1, they shouldn't even be counted. SHIPMENTS AND CHEAP ASS CLUB SALES were inflating the actual albums sales 4.no, she is not. 5.idgaf what the industry says, the only reason that the soundtrack sold so much was because of MHWGO. AVATAR was bigger than Titanic yet its soundtrack completely flopped. ASIB soundtrack smashed, yet TP flopped. Why? Because the gp didn't like the music.
slw84 Posted October 29, 2022 Posted October 29, 2022 Makes sense Madonna, Britney and Taylor are the queens of pop music Madonna (80s/90s/00s) Britney (90s/00s/10s) Taylor (00s/10s/20s) Blonde overcompensating legends always win
dirrtydiana Posted October 29, 2022 Posted October 29, 2022 43 minutes ago, Artistofthedecade said: Well it is not true. https://chartmasters.org/best-selling-artists-of-all-time/ If you say so What is this supposed to prove? That charts are meaningless and fluctuate and that artists get temporary boosts on their previous work due to streaming when they release something? Good on her for currently occupying 7/200 spots, I guess!
dirrtydiana Posted October 29, 2022 Posted October 29, 2022 5 minutes ago, slw84 said: Makes sense Madonna, Britney and Taylor are the queens of pop music Madonna (80s/90s/00s) Britney (90s/00s/10s) Taylor (00s/10s/20s) Blonde overcompensating legends always win Honey, no, what is this? it’s like grouping Maybach and Mercedes with Chevrolet
WildHeart Posted October 29, 2022 Posted October 29, 2022 Just now, dirrtydiana said: What is this supposed to prove? That charts are meaningless and fluctuate and that artists get temporary boosts on their previous work due to streaming when they release something? Good on her for currently occupying 7/200 spots, I guess! If charts doesn't tell enough, what is your criteria of staying power? What shows the real longevity? And she is charting 7 albums weekly for a year now, i just posted this week's chart.
slw84 Posted October 29, 2022 Posted October 29, 2022 2 minutes ago, dirrtydiana said: Honey, no, what is this? it’s like grouping Maybach and Mercedes with Chevrolet Luv, I state the facts. I don't create them. You have to accept that Taylor has had longevity, impact and has evolved her sound and is becoming influential. They are top sellers of their generation for a reason. Despite everyone attacking their vocals they overcompensated (Madonna - being a creative genius, savvy marketer and businesswoman, controversial provocateur; Britney - being a dynamic performer in her prime, controversial sex symbol, Taylor being a savvy business woman who is an exceptional songwriter). Madonna outsold her peers. Incredible influence and impact Britney outsold her peers. Incredible influence and impact Taylor outsold her peers. Incredible influence and impact I figured Taylor would hand it off to Billie but I guess she's going to follow out the 20s and maybe towards the end someone will come in to take the baton from her. Madonna and Britney will always be queen but Taylor has the baton. The way Madonna passed it to Britney. Britney passed it to Taylor in that 2008 photo op. There was a new controversial America's sweetheart born.
dirrtydiana Posted October 29, 2022 Posted October 29, 2022 2 minutes ago, Artistofthedecade said: If charts doesn't tell enough, what is your criteria of staying power? What shows the real longevity? And she is charting 7 albums weekly for a year now, i just posted this week's chart. Things that can’t be manipulated like charts, awards, critics. Basically everything you were to take away from her and she’d be left with nothing. Everything she lacks. Undeniable impact, time transcending music, iconography time is the ultimate truth teller. and truth is no one will remember her work post 1989.
WildHeart Posted October 30, 2022 Posted October 30, 2022 29 minutes ago, dirrtydiana said: Things that can’t be manipulated like charts, awards, critics. Basically everything you were to take away from her and she’d be left with nothing. Everything she lacks. Undeniable impact, time transcending music, iconography time is the ultimate truth teller. and truth is no one will remember her work post 1989. So you have no measurable metric, gotcha.
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