LovaticSwiftie Posted October 24, 2022 Posted October 24, 2022 The replies from these haters are so embarrassing, I'm screaming Plus, them mentioning these 20+ imaginary versions every few pages
Aaron Posted October 24, 2022 Posted October 24, 2022 15 minutes ago, BlueTimberwolf said: But.....why Midnights? Where were they for Folklore, Lover, Evermore? Especially with no hit single, how are this many people aware her album is even out? People keep pointing to this magical "marketing", when SNL can't even get you to the top of iTunes in 2022. Especially grown adults. There is something going on here. it’s because she and her team pushed this as a product moreso than an actual musical body of work. we didn’t hear a single snippet of music before the album dropped because her team wanted to cash in on expectant fans making the album whatever they wanted to be in their minds. there was so much push on collecting every variant, it’s like an iphone release instead of an album. listening to the album confirms that she put commercial success above artistry this time around. AMAZING numbers no matter what she has such a crazy BTS’d fanbase. also it’s funny that her fans think anyone critiquing the numbers is ‘’embarrassing” yet they’re in here acting like someone else’s achievement is theirs. it’s atrl lol youre just as bad
Popboi. Posted October 24, 2022 Posted October 24, 2022 (edited) 20 minutes ago, BlueTimberwolf said: But.....why Midnights? Where were they for Folklore, Lover, Evermore? Especially with no hit single, how are this many people aware her album is even out? People keep pointing to this magical "marketing", when SNL can't even get you to the top of iTunes in 2022. Especially grown adults. There is something going on here. folklore only had physicals (that were on preorder) on her webstore, evermore was digital sales and streaming only, Lover had terrible reception initially. It's clear as day how and why Midnights is doing more than any of them. Let me explain to you in terms ANYONE could understand. 2020-2021 was the best period for Taylor in album units, the public are BUYING her music, the public is STREAMING her music, people are thirsting for her to go on tour. Taylor does not NEED OR RELY on artificially boosted songs in a myriad of playlists just so the public doesn't forget her. Her CATALOGUE is present day huge. Taylor is the BIGGEST artist today, and evidently, of the century. Do we need to spoon feed you receipts? Open Spotify, Apple Music, Amazon Music, iTunes, check some grass, check real life, you will find them. Edited October 24, 2022 by Popboi.
Lille Posted October 24, 2022 Posted October 24, 2022 OTH are so unhinged, they're like QAnon adjacent with their denial of literal facts.
PoisonedIvy Posted October 24, 2022 Posted October 24, 2022 1 minute ago, LovaticSwiftie said: The replies from these haters are so embarrassing, I'm screaming Plus, them mentioning these 20+ imaginary versions every few pages I’m so tired of the “20 versions argument” when different formats do not equal different versions. Even an album that has no deluxe, no explicit, and only one cover, still has “4 formats” — CD, vinyl, cassette, and digital. It’s just inevitable. Then if you have an explicit album, therefore also having a clean version, that’s still not “another version” of the album Midnights has, at best, 6 versions 1. Moonstone Blue (available in CD, cassette, & vinyl format, + is the digital standard) 2. Jade Green Cover Variant (CD, cassette, vinyl format) 3. Blood Moon Cover Variant (CD, cassette, vinyl format) 4. Mahogany Cover Variant (CD, cassette, vinyl format) 5. Lavender Haze Target Exclusive Deluxe (CD, vinyl formats) 6. Deluxe 3AM (Digital only) but people are duplicating all 6 of these versions because there are clean and explicit editions, and they’re counting each of the FORMATS (that EVERY album in the history of the Music industry) as a separate version for some damn reason. That’s where this ridiculous number of versions is coming from.
Popboi. Posted October 24, 2022 Posted October 24, 2022 3 minutes ago, Aaron said: it’s because she and her team pushed this as a product moreso than an actual musical body of work. we didn’t hear a single snippet of music before the album dropped because her team wanted to cash in on expectant fans making the album whatever they wanted to be in their minds. there was so much push on collecting every variant, it’s like an iphone release instead of an album. listening to the album confirms that she put commercial success above artistry this time around. AMAZING numbers no matter what she has such a crazy BTS’d fanbase. also it’s funny that her fans think anyone critiquing the numbers is ‘’embarrassing” yet they’re in here acting like someone else’s achievement is theirs. it’s atrl lol youre just as bad Then why are her first day streams the biggest of all time? and the second? and the third? People are actively wanting to check for the music and revisit it. Why is it one of the best received albums of the year by critics? Why is it not being front loaded? Albums that are all flash and no substance die out the charts quickly (see 30) and that's clearly not the case here. It's being consumed as "an actual musical body of work", just like the rest of her albums.
Hurem Posted October 24, 2022 Posted October 24, 2022 These numbers are insane, it's hard to think anyone will be able to top them. I'm still pressed she's seeing all the success with her worst album tho. Literally any other album deserved
Popboi. Posted October 24, 2022 Posted October 24, 2022 3 minutes ago, WeFoundTrouble said: I’m so tired of the “20 versions argument” when different formats do not equal different versions. Even an album that has no deluxe, no explicit, and only one cover, still has “4 formats” — CD, vinyl, cassette, and digital. It’s just inevitable. Then if you have an explicit album, therefore also having a clean version, that’s still not “another version” of the album Midnights has, at best, 6 versions 1. Moonstone Blue (available in CD, cassette, & vinyl format, + is the digital standard) 2. Jade Green Cover Variant (CD, cassette, vinyl format) 3. Blood Moon Cover Variant (CD, cassette, vinyl format) 4. Mahogany Cover Variant (CD, cassette, vinyl format) 5. Lavender Haze Target Exclusive Deluxe (CD, vinyl formats) 6. Deluxe 3AM (Digital only) but people are duplicating all 6 of these versions because there are clean and explicit editions, and they’re counting each of the FORMATS (that EVERY album in the history of the Music industry) as a separate version for some damn reason. That’s where this ridiculous number of versions is coming from. Jade, Blood Moon and Mahogany don't have cassette versions, so it's even less. It's only 11 products between the 5 vinyl, 5 CDs and 1 cassette. They clearly don't understand even if someone has over 20 versions - if the artist isn't big - the album will go nowhere. Carly Rae Jepsen has as many versions and is a way, WAY smaller artist, it's the industry norm now.
Zerocoke Posted October 24, 2022 Posted October 24, 2022 The album sucks but this is incredible and she is effortlessly about to become the most iconic and successful artist in history. Like this shouldn't even happen. She's cast a spell on the entire US population and she should be crowned queen of music. Right about no. CROWN HA! Absolutely no other artist has ever even smelled this level of success (in the US). Long may she reign (hopefully not cuz zzzz, but I can't praise her enough).
Trent W Posted October 24, 2022 Posted October 24, 2022 I’m sorry for anyone who doesn’t want to admit it But Midnight’s first week is just as impressive as 25. They are on the same level, if Taylor debuted with 3m today it would ve like 6m of 2015. We need to understand how adjustments work. She has destroyed and surpassed every female. These debut with a 10th album is insane And I’m glad she did it, she’s a hardworking woman, younger artists should look after her more than lazy artists that don’t put effort.
Michael196 Posted October 24, 2022 Posted October 24, 2022 2 hours ago, Stan.killah said: 1.6m in 2022 = 3.4m in 2015? According to who? lol You should take a math class because 25 didn't have 20 different versions and it's success is something Tay Tay will never achieve, I fear you really wanna act dumb huh? if the excuse last year was that the current climate caused the 75% drop meaning that 2021's 839k is the equivalent of 2015's 3.38M well then that means that the equivalent of 2022's 1.5M is 1/4 of 2015's and since you're attempting to belittle someone about "math skills", I will leave you to do the math
PoisonedIvy Posted October 24, 2022 Posted October 24, 2022 5 minutes ago, Popboi. said: Jade, Blood Moon and Mahogany don't have cassette versions, so it's even less. It's only 11 products between the 5 vinyl, 5 CDs and 1 cassette. They clearly don't understand even if someone has over 20 versions - if the artist isn't big - the album will go nowhere. Carly Rae Jepsen has as many versions and is a way, WAY smaller artist, it's the industry norm now. Wait you’re right I forgot only the standard blue has a cassette. Say it louder!
yonsé Posted October 24, 2022 Posted October 24, 2022 1 hour ago, BlueTimberwolf said: It's getting harder and harder to believe her sales, sorry. You're asking us to believe hundreds of thousands of 30+ adults walked into Target (and pretty much Target only) to buy her album, yet these same customers don't do this for literally any other artist? i know many people this age that did just that.
ADMKHN Posted October 24, 2022 Posted October 24, 2022 4 minutes ago, yonsé said: i know many people this age that did just that. Same here. I've seen plenty of casual fans buying them. When I was in Target getting my two vinyls, there were 4 others checking out the display. People need to stop denying her success already. If you don't want to celebrate it, GET OUT.
WildHeart Posted October 24, 2022 Posted October 24, 2022 (edited) 54 minutes ago, BlueTimberwolf said: But.....why Midnights? Where were they for Folklore, Lover, Evermore? She basically ruined the Lover hype with atrocious singles like ME! and Calm Down. She released Folklore during the pandemic so people were not able to go to Targets and buy the album, only website sales counted. These aside, part of them probably didn't even exist back then. Folklore/ATW changed her career trajectory and expanded her fanbase. Her catalogue streams skyrocked in the last 2 years. She is charting 7 albums weekly. New songs from her catalogue going viral on Tiktok every other month. US first week streams Lover - 226m Folklore - 289m Red TV - 305m Midnights - +500m It is not that crazy when you think about it and i believe her tour next year will reflect this too. Edited October 24, 2022 by Artistofthedecade
byzantium Posted October 24, 2022 Posted October 24, 2022 44 minutes ago, BlueTimberwolf said: But.....why Midnights? Where were they for Folklore, Lover, Evermore? Especially with no hit single, how are this many people aware her album is even out? People keep pointing to this magical "marketing", when SNL can't even get you to the top of iTunes in 2022. Especially grown adults. There is something going on here. Lover and Folklore both had massive debuts with about 850k which are massive numbers. It’s not unreasonable to think she gained fans off the goodwill from folklore, evermore, and the TV projects.
Illuminati Posted October 24, 2022 Posted October 24, 2022 42 minutes ago, Rv1709 said: Her team is probably mass buying her album lmao
PoisonedIvy Posted October 24, 2022 Posted October 24, 2022 11 minutes ago, yonsé said: i know many people this age that did just that. Haven’t y’all seen this viral Twitter post of the LONG ASS line in Target of people buying the album? @BlueTimberwolf if this helps you believe in her fanbase’s buying power just a little more
KOMH Posted October 24, 2022 Posted October 24, 2022 52 minutes ago, BlueTimberwolf said: But.....why Midnights? Where were they for Folklore, Lover, Evermore? Especially with no hit single, how are this many people aware her album is even out? People keep pointing to this magical "marketing", when SNL can't even get you to the top of iTunes in 2022. Especially grown adults. There is something going on here. 47 minutes ago, Rv1709 said: Her team is probably mass buying her album lmao You guys are not playing with a full deck, are you? Back to Stormfront you go
4Real Posted October 24, 2022 Posted October 24, 2022 "It's getting harder and harder to believe her sales" Well, too bad? Keep crying about it.
KOMH Posted October 24, 2022 Posted October 24, 2022 33 minutes ago, WeFoundTrouble said: I’m so tired of the “20 versions argument” when different formats do not equal different versions. Even an album that has no deluxe, no explicit, and only one cover, still has “4 formats” — CD, vinyl, cassette, and digital. It’s just inevitable. Then if you have an explicit album, therefore also having a clean version, that’s still not “another version” of the album Midnights has, at best, 6 versions 1. Moonstone Blue (available in CD, cassette, & vinyl format, + is the digital standard) 2. Jade Green Cover Variant (CD, cassette, vinyl format) 3. Blood Moon Cover Variant (CD, cassette, vinyl format) 4. Mahogany Cover Variant (CD, cassette, vinyl format) 5. Lavender Haze Target Exclusive Deluxe (CD, vinyl formats) 6. Deluxe 3AM (Digital only) but people are duplicating all 6 of these versions because there are clean and explicit editions, and they’re counting each of the FORMATS (that EVERY album in the history of the Music industry) as a separate version for some damn reason. That’s where this ridiculous number of versions is coming from. Whack them again for me
Homebrand Posted October 24, 2022 Posted October 24, 2022 Am I the only one not surprised by this? One of my friends bought over 10 copies of it between all the different editions, assuming thousands of other swifties did the same thing too ??♀️
ADMKHN Posted October 24, 2022 Posted October 24, 2022 Most of you are SO dense and it shows. Adele's numbers were the result of a dwindling industry and EqUaTeD to 3 MiLlIoN wHen YoU ComPaRe 2015 tO 2021 yet no conversions are allowed or acknowledged for Midnights. Try again.
State of Grace. Posted October 24, 2022 Posted October 24, 2022 (edited) According to initial reports to Luminate, the album, which was released on Oct. 21, has earned more than 1.2 million equivalent album units in the U.S. through its first three days of release (through Oct. 23). Of that sum, traditional album sales comprise more than 955,000 across all available formats (multiple digital album download, CD, vinyl and cassette variants). Vinyl LP sales for the title is nearing 500,000. https://www.billboard.com/music/chart-beat/taylor-swift-midnights-sales-record-breaking-start-1235159835/ 1.2M already in 3 days Edited October 24, 2022 by State of Grace.
cruelhprince Posted October 24, 2022 Posted October 24, 2022 3 minutes ago, State of Grace. said: According to initial reports to Luminate, the album, which was released on Oct. 21, has earned more than 1.2 million equivalent album units in the U.S. through its first three days of release (through Oct. 23). Of that sum, traditional album sales comprise more than 955,000 across all available formats (multiple digital album download, CD, vinyl and cassette variants). Vinyl LP sales for the title is nearing 500,000. https://www.billboard.com/music/chart-beat/taylor-swift-midnights-sales-record-breaking-start-1235159835/ 1.2M already in 3 days insanity not it outdoing 1989/rep/red in 3 days...
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