UnusualBoy Posted October 24, 2022 Posted October 24, 2022 Not sure why some of you are bring up Britney and Oops? Sis don't even hold the record anymore, leave her alone.
Cruel Summer Posted October 24, 2022 Posted October 24, 2022 3 minutes ago, BlueTimberwolf said: How much of this is streams? I thought her fans were younger, why are they buying so many physical copies? Is it as a collector's item? I would wager that Taylor fans - including casual people who aren’t engaged with stan-based social media circles but consume her music regularly - span all ages able to enjoy music. That gives her an ideal opportunity to market to various demographics with different consumption patterns. Yes, some people consider her albums collectible, and strive to collect all vinyl variants or at least one of every signed album. Others are simply enfranchised adult fans with their own incomes, who might buy a couple copies (in different formats) for themselves and a few copies for friends or relatives. But she does have a lot of fans, probably mostly under 30, that use streaming services daily. 400k+ of this is expected to come from streaming units. After those key groups, all that’s left is getting the GP onboard through singles and all the buzz and press surrounding her album releases. In the end, it’s the perfect recipe to ignite a wildfire release like this.
UnusualBoy Posted October 24, 2022 Posted October 24, 2022 1 minute ago, Klein said: Now what we are not going to do is call the biggest female debut from 2000 to 2015 "hardly impressive". IKR? It took 15 years and one of the most hyped albums ever coming from basically the biggest female era ever to break the record so it really wasn't an exactly easy feature back then.
WildHeart Posted October 24, 2022 Posted October 24, 2022 5 minutes ago, Stan.killah said: 1.6m in 2022 = 3.4m in 2015? According to who? lol You should take a math class because 25 didn't have 20 different versions and it's success is something Tay Tay will never achieve, I fear According to
KOMH Posted October 24, 2022 Posted October 24, 2022 Just now, Stan.killah said: 1.6m in 2022 = 3.4m in 2015? According to who? lol You should take a math class because 25 didn't have 20 different versions and it's success is something Tay Tay will never achieve, I fear I didn't say 2015, I said the early 2010s. Don't quote me if you lack elementary comprehension skills. And even then, over the 10 years from 2010 to 2020, album sales have plummeted at an annualised rate of 11.3%, declining from 350 million to ~100 million albums, so my point very much remains. Keep embarrassing yourself
BlueTimberwolf Posted October 24, 2022 Posted October 24, 2022 3 hours ago, Cruel Summer said: I would wager that Taylor fans - including casual people who aren’t engaged with stan-based social media circles but consume her music regularly - span all ages able to enjoy music. That gives her an ideal opportunity to market to various demographics with different consumption patterns. Yes, some people consider her albums collectible, and strive to collect all vinyl variants or at least one of every signed album. Others are simply enfranchised adult fans with their own incomes, who might buy a couple copies (in different formats) for themselves and a few copies for friends or relatives. But she does have a lot of fans, probably mostly under 30, that use streaming services daily. 400k+ of this is expected to come from streaming units. After those key groups, all that’s left is getting the GP onboard through singles and all the buzz and press surrounding her album releases. In the end, it’s the perfect recipe to ignite a wildfire release like this. So if 400k/1.4m is streams, then she is selling 1 million copies in the stores? Her website? These numbers are starting to seem fishy. Records stores have completely vanished, the grocery stores are barely stocking them, yet Taylor and Taylor alone is selling 1990s style physical sales. Even Kpop artists don't sell that much in the actual store. I thought when customers bought multiple copies it didn't count for the charts? It's starting to seem like there is some BTS style trickery going on here.
SwiftLover Posted October 24, 2022 Posted October 24, 2022 2 minutes ago, SharonStone said: Britney did it without needing 20 editions ;) sweetie…times have changed 20 weeks in 2000 alone that had pure sales above 500k. 5 weeks above 1M. 2 weeks this decade with pure sales above 500k. Midnights heading for the first 1M seller since her own rePUTA, 5 years ago. Fume!
Da Vinci Posted October 24, 2022 Posted October 24, 2022 21 minutes ago, SharonStone said: Oops (the song) is a staple of pop culture 20 years later. In 20 years will anyone remember any song from Midnights? Celebrate your fave's 20 copies being bought over and over by the same fans and keep Brit out of it, kthxbye Britney only has ONE album that debuted with 1M+ (Oops) Taylor now has FIVE albums that debuted with 1M+ for more than a decade since 2010 Her latest one just outsold Oops in 3 days despite Oops being released when there was no streaming yet, less piracy, etc. NSYNC, BSB and Eminem's first week sales all outsold Oops's first week sales in the 2000s But NOBODY is touching Midnights's first week sales in the 2020s (except for Taylor lol) And Taylor's music IS being remembered, one of her decade old songs just went #1 on the Hot 100 last year You can't predict Midnights's longevity yet it literally just came out 3 days ago
808s Posted October 24, 2022 Posted October 24, 2022 1 hour ago, Stan.killah said: 25 sold 3.4 million in its first week in the U.S. alone. That should let you guys know the difference between a successful first week compared to a highly impressive one. Having the second biggest first week ever and ur fifth million selling debut week when the standard is 200k is not 'highly impressive'?
Stan.killah Posted October 24, 2022 Posted October 24, 2022 20 minutes ago, KOMH said: I didn't say 2015, I said the early 2010s. Don't quote me if you lack elementary comprehension skills. And even then, over the 10 years from 2010 to 2020, album sales have plummeted at an annualised rate of 11.3%, declining from 350 million to ~100 million albums, so my point very much remains. Keep embarrassing yourself The album discussed in my post is strictly 25, released in 2015. Not other albums from early 2010s. I get why you would want to divert the attention away from 25, as it demolishes all of your fav's 1st week sales. Nice try though
genio Posted October 24, 2022 Posted October 24, 2022 I honestly thought we would NEVER see a 1m opening week again after Adele failed to make it, her power
josesuxx Posted October 24, 2022 Posted October 24, 2022 35 minutes ago, Stan.killah said: 1.6m in 2022 = 3.4m in 2015? According to who? lol You should take a math class because 25 didn't have 20 different versions and it's success is something Tay Tay will never achieve, I fear But 30 did have 20 different versions and only managed to sell half of what Midnights is predicted to sell, care to explain?
Stan.killah Posted October 24, 2022 Posted October 24, 2022 4 minutes ago, 808s said: Having the second biggest first week ever and ur fifth million selling debut week when the standard is 200k is not 'highly impressive'? Well, when there's 20 unnecessary versions of the same album (strictly for milking purposes), then its expected for sales figures to be high, which makes it not so highly impressive. 25 should 3.4 million first week without so many versions. Her fanbase is condition to buy all the versions, so it would be interesting to know the real normal figures without the multiple hype-purchasing of 20 versions
By the Water Posted October 24, 2022 Posted October 24, 2022 (edited) 34 minutes ago, BlueTimberwolf said: So if 400k/1.4m is streams, then she is selling 1 million copies in the stores? Her website? These numbers are starting to seem fishy. Records stores have completely vanished, the grocery stores are barely stocking them, yet Taylor and Taylor alone is selling 1990s style physical sales. Even Kpop artists don't sell that much in the actual store. I thought when customers bought multiple copies it didn't count for the charts? It's starting to seem like there is some BTS style trickery going on here. You stan aespa and are calling Taylor Swift's sales fishy? Edited October 24, 2022 by By the Water
Stan.killah Posted October 24, 2022 Posted October 24, 2022 10 minutes ago, josesuxx said: But 30 did have 20 different versions and only managed to sell half of what Midnights is predicted to sell, care to explain? Why are you trying to changing the topic to another album? We're discussing 25 The fact remains the same that 25 sold more that double of what Midnights is predicted to sell on the higher end of predictions (1.6 million)
omrimayo Posted October 24, 2022 Posted October 24, 2022 1 minute ago, Stan.killah said: Why are you trying to changing the topic to another album? We're discussing 25 The fact remains the same that 25 sold more that double of what Midnights is predicted to sell on the higher end of predictions (1.6 million) When the standards were 500K for tons of albums and some were doing 1M, these days, Adele, same person did barely 800K, so yeah 21 was sensational and I do agree cuz I LOVE that album but we can't argue that was 2015 and that's it.
Isaiah Posted October 24, 2022 Posted October 24, 2022 I was head into this week fully expecting a 650-800k debut MAX, and even after the announcement that she crushed the Spotify record I still thought we were headed for 800-950k at most, and now suddenly this ***** is doing 1.4+ and crushing 1989 & Oops! I Did it again!?? i hope the other fandoms realize not even us swifties were expecting this, and if someone had dared suggest she was gonna match red & reputation, let alone SURPASS 1898, the rest of the fandom would’ve laughed and called them delusional… yet here we are… THE MF MUSIC INDUSTRYYYY
Headlock Posted October 24, 2022 Posted October 24, 2022 39 minutes ago, BlueTimberwolf said: So if 400k/1.4m is streams, then she is selling 1 million copies in the stores? Her website? These numbers are starting to seem fishy. Records stores have completely vanished, the grocery stores are barely stocking them, yet Taylor and Taylor alone is selling 1990s style physical sales. Even Kpop artists don't sell that much in the actual store. I thought when customers bought multiple copies it didn't count for the charts? It's starting to seem like there is some BTS style trickery going on here.
Headlock Posted October 24, 2022 Posted October 24, 2022 6 minutes ago, Stan.killah said: We're discussing 25 Which is also not the topic of this thread
josesuxx Posted October 24, 2022 Posted October 24, 2022 5 minutes ago, Stan.killah said: Why are you trying to changing the topic to another album? We're discussing 25 The fact remains the same that 25 sold more that double of what Midnights is predicted to sell on the higher end of predictions (1.6 million) Oh well I hope that fact brings joy and fulfilment to your life, I'm sure Taylor's 1.5M first week sales will bring that to hers!
Da Vinci Posted October 24, 2022 Posted October 24, 2022 4 minutes ago, Stan.killah said: Why are you trying to changing the topic to another album? We're discussing 25 The fact remains the same that 25 sold more that double of what Midnights is predicted to sell on the higher end of predictions (1.6 million) I mean it's 2022 25 STOMPED on 1989 But Midnights is STOMPING on 30 Five 1M+ debuting albums since last decade up to now >>> One 3M+ debuting album a long time ago
pierreleswiftie Posted October 24, 2022 Posted October 24, 2022 11 minutes ago, Stan.killah said: Why are you trying to changing the topic to another album? We're discussing 25 The fact remains the same that 25 sold more that double of what Midnights is predicted to sell on the higher end of predictions (1.6 million) And 30 didn't break any streaming records.
pierreleswiftie Posted October 24, 2022 Posted October 24, 2022 1 minute ago, Da Vinci said: I mean it's 2022 25 STOMPED on 1989 But Midnights is STOMPING on 30 Five 1M+ debuting albums since last decade up to now >>> One 3M+ debuting album a long time ago Also headlining world stadium tours >>>>failing to plan a vegas show to the end because you're lazy
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