kitasss_vlc Posted October 23, 2022 Posted October 23, 2022 Ok then, we will pretend that having FOUR different covers for every single format is normal and standard for EVERY.SINGLE.ARTIST… like LOL You really gonna pretend that she is not doing it to milk those fans that will probably buy up to 12 or 13 (just writing it… God) different versions of the SAME cd… Anyway, there is no bigger blind that the one that doesnt want to see… insane numbers after all, we all agree on that
Rep2000 Posted October 23, 2022 Posted October 23, 2022 57 minutes ago, kitasss_vlc said: You cant say that “the 20 versions” is a lie and reply to me with another lie… at least tell the truth… I just checked on her website and counted - 4 different cover CDs - 4 different cover vynils - 1 special lavender cover CD - 1 special lavender Vynil that makes 10…. Then u add the target exclusive and the digital exclusive we have already 12… and then u have the cassette one, which I couldnt find on the website but I know it exists, I just dont know how many different ones (easily could guess it is 5 more, like the CD and vynil but Im gonna be generous and say it is just one…) so lets say 13… plus the first title for the thread was a comparisson with Adele… so dont complain now about Adele fans coming here when whoever started the thread was clearly looking for it ? That's *formats*, not versions omg. Having all those *physical* formats is not gonna make people *stream* the album any harder. But I guess the cognitive dissonance is already kicking in I see.
Holy Ground Posted October 23, 2022 Posted October 23, 2022 16 minutes ago, kitasss_vlc said: Ok then, we will pretend that having FOUR different covers for every single format is normal The cassette only has one cover, please don't make up lies
Holy Ground Posted October 23, 2022 Posted October 23, 2022 18 minutes ago, kitasss_vlc said: You really gonna pretend that she is not doing it to milk those fans that will probably buy up to 12 or 13 (just writing it… God) different versions of the SAME cd… If the fans want to buy a functioning clock why do you have a problem? What do you have against time?
Ash12345 Posted October 23, 2022 Posted October 23, 2022 17 hours ago, Nando_05 said: She’s really bigger than the entire music industry combined and I’m saying this as a casual listener If you calculate yesterday's daily streams for Taylor vs the rest of the Spotify US Top 200 you will see that this is indeed an accurate statement.
Rep2000 Posted October 23, 2022 Posted October 23, 2022 1 minute ago, Holy Ground said: The cassette only has one cover, please don't make up lies They literally don't know what they are talking about and started making stuffs up as they go malding now.
fridayteenage Posted October 23, 2022 Posted October 23, 2022 3 minutes ago, Holy Ground said: If the fans want to buy a functioning clock why do you have a problem? What do you have against time?
Buffy Posted October 23, 2022 Posted October 23, 2022 1 hour ago, kitasss_vlc said: You cant say that “the 20 versions” is a lie and reply to me with another lie… at least tell the truth… I just checked on her website and counted - 4 different cover CDs - 4 different cover vynils - 1 special lavender cover CD - 1 special lavender Vynil that makes 10…. Then u add the target exclusive and the digital exclusive we have already 12… and then u have the cassette one, which I couldnt find on the website but I know it exists, I just dont know how many different ones (easily could guess it is 5 more, like the CD and vynil but Im gonna be generous and say it is just one…) so lets say 13… plus the first title for the thread was a comparisson with Adele… so dont complain now about Adele fans coming here when whoever started the thread was clearly looking for it ? I see your new here. You found the right place. Glad you’re receiving plenty fax.
PoisonedIvy Posted October 23, 2022 Posted October 23, 2022 45 minutes ago, kitasss_vlc said: Ok then, we will pretend that having FOUR different covers for every single format is normal and standard for EVERY.SINGLE.ARTIST… like LOL You really gonna pretend that she is not doing it to milk those fans that will probably buy up to 12 or 13 (just writing it… God) different versions of the SAME cd… Anyway, there is no bigger blind that the one that doesnt want to see… insane numbers after all, we all agree on that What the hell, YES variant covers and vinyls ARE standard for everyone. Adele, Dua, Ariana, The Weeknd, and yes Beyonce have ALL had a MINIMUM of four variants from their latest albums. Yall have GOT to stop acting like Taylor is the only one doing this
Ash12345 Posted October 23, 2022 Posted October 23, 2022 13 hours ago, SharonStone said: Remains to be seen if Taylor can get a proper hit from this album, her last true hit was from 1989. Britney had true global hits in 2008 and 2011 & 2012. 30 years from now the public will remember hit songs not albums that’s why Taylor getting 1M selling albums but failing to get true hits for years now is something to not be ignored. She seems to be more of the female Garth Brooks (massive album sales, but not global hits) than a Madonna or Britney aka a global hitmaker! You do realize that hit singles aren't the only path to success and being remembered right? Pink Floyd album tracks are out-streaming Madonna singles despite being older and they have hardly any Hot 100 success. It's been clear for years now that Taylor's discography performs more like those legacy rock bands, being much more albums driven than singles driven, but still with amazing longevity 5, 10+years down the road.
MingYouToo Posted October 23, 2022 Posted October 23, 2022 All the no hits drags here, who the **** cares shes had her Rihanna Britney moment from 2008 to 2017, now shes operating like a legendary rock band and having the GP consume her ENTIRE album. The popgirls cant relate!
fridayteenage Posted October 23, 2022 Posted October 23, 2022 58 minutes ago, WeFoundTrouble said: What the hell, YES variant covers and vinyls ARE standard for everyone. Adele, Dua, Ariana, The Weeknd, and yes Beyonce have ALL had a MINIMUM of four variants from their latest albums. Yall have GOT to stop acting like Taylor is the only one doing this oh wow you're right. maybe it only counts when taylor does it to OTHs
PoisonedIvy Posted October 23, 2022 Posted October 23, 2022 13 minutes ago, Ash12345 said: You do realize that hit singles aren't the only path to success and being remembered right? Pink Floyd album tracks are out-streaming Madonna singles despite being older and they have hardly any Hot 100 success. It's been clear for years now that Taylor's discography performs more like those legacy rock bands, being much more albums driven than singles driven, but still with amazing longevity 5, 10+years down the road. They wouldn’t know anything about legendary catalogues, most people on this site stan mere pop artists whose only legacies are their “karaoke hits” a couple decades down the line and their Halloweenish red carpet looks. Taylor has the lasting legacy of actual artists whose entire catalogues have long-standing impact and success like the Beatles, Michael Jackson, The Rolling Stones, the Eagles, Pink Floyd, Led Zeppelin, and so on. The kind of artists that can drop a remastered vinyl 40 years later and still send it to #1. Any of these other pop girls wish they had that kind of longevity.
Ash12345 Posted October 23, 2022 Posted October 23, 2022 7 hours ago, Brando said: This is all very true. However, Taylor keeps releasing quality albums, which retains fans long terms and gains her new ones with every release. Where as Adele disappointed a lot of her "casual fans" with 25, which was very similar to 21, but nowhere as good. Plus those casual fans are now what makes the GP that streams the music that they like over a long period of time. And 30 wasn't able to capture their attention at all. Releasing every 5 years and causing her fans to lose patience and move on to something else doesn't help either. Meanwhile Taylor keeps her fans constantly fed.
Ash12345 Posted October 23, 2022 Posted October 23, 2022 I do think people are getting a bit ahead of themselves though. Pure sales are a lot more frontloaded these days compared to 1989 era or even reputation era (and certainly compared to the late 90s/early 00s), especially when so many of the "first day" sales are actually pre-orders. The streams are a bit more frontloaded than her other albums have been too. So it'll be 800k first day sales + 400k SEA + whatever she sells in the remaining 6 days. Beating 1989's first week is fairly likely, and passing Oops and Eminem Show is definitely possible, but I don't see Midnight debuting with 1.4m let alone 1.5m. As for total era wide success, radio doesn't support singles from year-old albums like they did in 1989 era, so this era isn't going to go 7 singles/5 smashes deep like 1989 did. It also won't be selling 2.5m pure on weeks 2-10 like 1989 did because pure sales, especially when they're stan driven, are much more frontloaded these days. However when it comes to measuring overall artists sales, rather than just the sales of the latest album, like for IFPI or BB200 Artist of the Year, she should match or even surpass 1989 era's success due to her increasingly large and heavily consumed catalog (since streaming gives more longevity to years old albums). Midnights Tour will also obliterate 1989 and reputation tours if she has a comparable number of dates and doesn't pull a Lover Fest.
Cruel Summer Posted October 23, 2022 Posted October 23, 2022 1 minute ago, Ash12345 said: I do think people are getting a bit ahead of themselves though. Pure sales are a lot more frontloaded these days compared to 1989 era or even reputation era (and certainly compared to the late 90s/early 00s), especially when so many of the "first day" sales are actually pre-orders. The streams are a bit more frontloaded than her other albums have been too. So it'll be 800k first day sales + 400k SEA + whatever she sells in the remaining 6 days. Beating 1989's first week is fairly likely, and passing Oops and Eminem Show is definitely possible, but I don't see Midnight debuting with 1.4m let alone 1.5m. As for total era wide success, radio doesn't support singles from year-old albums like they did in 1989 era, so this era isn't going to go 7 singles/5 smashes deep like 1989 did. It also won't be selling 2.5m pure on weeks 2-10 like 1989 did because pure sales, especially when they're stan driven, are much more frontloaded these days. However when it comes to measuring overall artists sales, rather than just the sales of the latest album, like for IFPI or BB200 Artist of the Year, she should match or even surpass 1989 era's success due to her increasingly large and heavily consumed catalog (since streaming gives more longevity to years old albums). Midnights Tour will also obliterate 1989 and reputation tours if she has a comparable number of dates and doesn't pull a Lover Fest. She would only have to do <200k units in six days of pure sales and seven days of TEA (usually small, but relevant here; Red TV did 9k) to make it to 1.4m units. I think it's super doable and I actually expect her to bump a tiny bit higher than that. Remember, we only really know that she did "more than 800,000" in pure sales, so it could be something like 825k - which meaningfully reduces the gap between the first day number and ~1m pure sales.
Popboi. Posted October 24, 2022 Posted October 24, 2022 4 hours ago, kitasss_vlc said: You cant say that “the 20 versions” is a lie and reply to me with another lie… at least tell the truth… I just checked on her website and counted - 4 different cover CDs - 4 different cover vynils - 1 special lavender cover CD - 1 special lavender Vynil that makes 10…. Then u add the target exclusive and the digital exclusive we have already 12… and then u have the cassette one, which I couldnt find on the website but I know it exists, I just dont know how many different ones (easily could guess it is 5 more, like the CD and vynil but Im gonna be generous and say it is just one…) so lets say 13… plus the first title for the thread was a comparisson with Adele… so dont complain now about Adele fans coming here when whoever started the thread was clearly looking for it ? It's 4 different cover CDs, 4 different cover and color vinyl (yes, vinyl, "vynil" isn't a word), the lavender CD and vinyl (that are literally Target's) and 1 cassette. That's 11 "variants" between the 3 formats. Now, the tea is: 5 vinyl versions is less than Katy Perry's Smile (5 picture discs, red vinyl, cream vinyl, custard vinyl, blue vinyl, 7 CDs, etc), Ariana Grande's Positions (3 cassette, clear vinyl, glow in the dark vinyl, spring green vinyl, coke bottle clear vinyl, deluxe clear/pink vinyl, 3 covers CDs, deluxe CD, etc), Gaga's Chromatica (CD, deluxe CD, target CD - deluxe and target are different -, clear vinyl, milky clear vinyl, silver vinyl, picture disc, deluxe trifold vinyl and neon yellow vinyl, 4 cassette I believe, etc). She's NOWHERE above the curve with amount of album formats and variants, difference is, she can SELL them and some effort is done at least to make each version actually... worth buying.
St. Charles Posted October 24, 2022 Posted October 24, 2022 Honestly can't even be mad at her. Her releases are always pretty interesting to see and I'm kinda jealous of how much her fans get fed!
St. Charles Posted October 24, 2022 Posted October 24, 2022 1 hour ago, Cruel Summer said: She would only have to do <200k units in six days of pure sales and seven days of TEA (usually small, but relevant here; Red TV did 9k) to make it to 1.4m units. I think it's super doable and I actually expect her to bump a tiny bit higher than that. Remember, we only really know that she did "more than 800,000" in pure sales, so it could be something like 825k - which meaningfully reduces the gap between the first day number and ~1m pure sales. I think it will prob end with 1.33kk, but it'll be close. It honestly just depends on what the second day is going to be like. It's so hard to make predictions on first day but they're usually wildly over or underestimated.
ALA Posted October 24, 2022 Posted October 24, 2022 Very curious about how close pure sales are to 1m after this weekend. If it's past that I think 1.4m+ SPS should easily happen.
family.guy123 Posted October 24, 2022 Posted October 24, 2022 On 10/22/2022 at 4:26 PM, Protocol said: Not nearly as much, back then the #1 song had over 200M audience impressions, now the #1 song only has 91M. ok but what is overall consumption?
Buffy Posted October 24, 2022 Posted October 24, 2022 I don’t know why there are wars going on in here…. Can we just not celebrate this accomplishment that’s happening in the 2020’s? This is incredible for ANY artist. It just so happens that Taylor’s done it again for the 5th time in her career, and the first to do it this decade.
loveisdead9582 Posted October 24, 2022 Posted October 24, 2022 She is… the music industry… Very impressive. I enjoyed the album even though I wish it had been stylistically closer to red/1989 than lover/folklore. She deserves the success though.
gettsleazy Posted October 24, 2022 Posted October 24, 2022 4 hours ago, Popboi. said: Now, the tea is: 5 vinyl versions is less than Katy Perry's Smile (5 picture discs, red vinyl, cream vinyl, custard vinyl, blue vinyl, 7 CDs, etc), Ariana Grande's Positions (3 cassette, clear vinyl, glow in the dark vinyl, spring green vinyl, coke bottle clear vinyl, deluxe clear/pink vinyl, 3 covers CDs, deluxe CD, etc), Gaga's Chromatica (CD, deluxe CD, target CD - deluxe and target are different -, clear vinyl, milky clear vinyl, silver vinyl, picture disc, deluxe trifold vinyl and neon yellow vinyl, 4 cassette I believe, etc). She's NOWHERE above the curve with amount of album formats and variants, difference is, she can SELL them and some effort is done at least to make each version actually... worth buying. The way you collected every fanbase coming for her in one fell swoop
QueenofCopyPaste Posted October 24, 2022 Posted October 24, 2022 (edited) 16 hours ago, Nova_23 said: Can we also please address the huge elephant in the room that is Adele and her shitty attitude and behavior towards her fans? There's a reason why people aren't as invested in her, because she treats her fans like **** and she comes across as bratty which can be incredibly off putting. Out of the MPGs, she's the least engaging with her fans and thinks she's above everything. Rescheduled Vegas shows are 100% sold out in minutes. OT: Great numbers for Taylor Edited October 24, 2022 by QueenofCopyPaste
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