Badgalbriel Posted October 23, 2022 Posted October 23, 2022 33 minutes ago, Peroxide said: She’s never releasing a lead before an album drop EVER again… this strategy has worked out perfectly for her. Its just comical at this point - nobody is coming close @ my “we should be grateful for anything above 700k first week” prediction a few weeks back… whew, I should never have doubted her. Specially when the strategy of releasing the lead single during the album week is a much better way of securing a #1 single for her recently. She's never going to have a traditional release again.
wefoundwonderland Posted October 23, 2022 Posted October 23, 2022 I don't have the words to describe how crazy this is, I thought the best case scenario would be her barely cracking 1m and now it might dethrone 1989 as her biggest debut. She never loses
Yakult Posted October 23, 2022 Posted October 23, 2022 1 hour ago, Harry said: this lowkey proves that it’s not the market that was declining, it was just Adele. there was just no demand for her sorry sweetie. taylor is really showing out here in 2022 when the market supposed to be dead The market has changed a lot. Adele's problem is she relies on casual fans to buy her albums. Those people have moved away from digital downloads & physical copies for the most part. The bulk of Taylor's sales come from a very large/dedicated fanbase - something Adele lacks. She's been smart having multiple variations of her album, because a sizeable amount of Swifties will spend hundreds collecting every colour, signed prints etc. Even if Adele had 5x vinyl variations, cassettes, signed prints etc she wouldn't be moving numbers like Taylor because people just aren't invested in her like they are with Taylor to spend like that.
Bloodflowers. Posted October 23, 2022 Posted October 23, 2022 15 minutes ago, Badgalbriel said: Specially when the strategy of releasing the lead single during the album week is a much better way of securing a #1 single for her recently. She's never going to have a traditional release again. I think if Taylor would make a Top 40 type of lead single material, she would then release it a week or two before an album
Enrique523 Posted October 23, 2022 Posted October 23, 2022 2 hours ago, Harry said: this lowkey proves that it’s not the market that was declining, it was just Adele. there was just no demand for her sorry sweetie. taylor is really showing out here in 2022 when the market supposed to be dead That's not quite true, the market has definitively declined. Taylor just managed to get above it. And i find it funny how people act as if 30 was a total flop, which is clearly not the case Funny the standards people have for Adele: either she's this ultra dominant force above everyone else or she's a complete flop, there's no in-between apparently
Nova_23 Posted October 23, 2022 Posted October 23, 2022 33 minutes ago, Yakult said: The market has changed a lot. Adele's problem is she relies on casual fans to buy her albums. Those people have moved away from digital downloads & physical copies for the most part. The bulk of Taylor's sales come from a very large/dedicated fanbase - something Adele lacks. She's been smart having multiple variations of her album, because a sizeable amount of Swifties will spend hundreds collecting every colour, signed prints etc. Even if Adele had 5x vinyl variations, cassettes, signed prints etc she wouldn't be moving numbers like Taylor because people just aren't invested in her like they are with Taylor to spend like that. Can we also please address the huge elephant in the room that is Adele and her shitty attitude and behavior towards her fans? There's a reason why people aren't as invested in her, because she treats her fans like **** and she comes across as bratty which can be incredibly off putting. Out of the MPGs, she's the least engaging with her fans and thinks she's above everything.
byzantium Posted October 23, 2022 Posted October 23, 2022 5 hours ago, Milk said: a CAREER rePEAK Taylor is never stopping. Literally the Music Industry. What is insane is that her career valleys are still higher than most artists peak….and she keeps repeaking!
Aethereal Posted October 23, 2022 Posted October 23, 2022 5 hours ago, Milk said: a CAREER rePEAK Taylor is never stopping. Literally the Music Industry. I don't think Midnights is gonna outsell 1989.
LastGreatBloodline Posted October 23, 2022 Posted October 23, 2022 2 hours ago, Peroxide said: She’s never releasing a lead before an album drop EVER again… this strategy has worked out perfectly for her. Its just comical at this point - nobody is coming close @ my “we should be grateful for anything above 700k first week” prediction a few weeks back… whew, I should never have doubted her. right Imo when we compare midnights/CLB to 30/harry's house we can see that for veterans whatever is released first from the era is the gonna draw the massive numbers. AIW and EOM has record breaking debuts but the album debuts themselves pale in comparison to midnights and CLB. Maybe adele could have done 100M+ streams if she'd dropped 30 at once (not more than taylor tho)
Hunter_13 Posted October 23, 2022 Posted October 23, 2022 US itunes 1. 3AM E [=] 2. Midnights E [=] 3. 3AM C [=] 4. Midnights E /memo [+2] 10. Midnights C [+3] 26. Lover [+97] 39. Midnights C/with memo [+5] 40. Reputation [+40] 43. Folklore [+3] 44. RedTV [+50] 45. 1989 [+40] 47. Evemore [+13] 53. Evermore dlx [+20] 71. Folklore dlx [re] 84. FearlessTV [re] 110. Red OG [re] 116. RedTV with message [re] 138. Speak Now [re] 156. Fearless OG [re] 179. Taylor Swift [=] 200. Speak Now World Tour Live [re] She's insane with the hold she has on America
kitasss_vlc Posted October 23, 2022 Posted October 23, 2022 Insane figures… but can Swifties stop comparing her with Adele? I know they are pressed but… you really cant compare them Adele put an 11 song CD out with half of them 6+ minutes long songs… and maybe 5 different versions of the CD Taylor put a 20 song CD out with like 20 (TWENTY) different versions out to milk her fans… and she does it slowly to make sure they buy them all… not saying that is bad, just that u cant compare both strategies
favorite crime Posted October 23, 2022 Posted October 23, 2022 6 hours ago, KatyPrismSpirit said: This will be her biggest era of all-time. Only taylor can make an era like 1989 pale in comparison to new era's 8 years later. I feel like this could be her highest first week sales figure of all-time and that she can pull 25 numbers. 800k in one day with pure sales only? In the streaming climate? shes literally sick it won't get 3mil lol. it will sell 1.5mil max, most of the 800k are pre-order sales. still a massive smash. honestly 1.5mil in 2022 is equivalent to 3mil in 2015
Brando Posted October 23, 2022 Posted October 23, 2022 2 hours ago, Yakult said: The market has changed a lot. Adele's problem is she relies on casual fans to buy her albums. Those people have moved away from digital downloads & physical copies for the most part. The bulk of Taylor's sales come from a very large/dedicated fanbase - something Adele lacks. She's been smart having multiple variations of her album, because a sizeable amount of Swifties will spend hundreds collecting every colour, signed prints etc. Even if Adele had 5x vinyl variations, cassettes, signed prints etc she wouldn't be moving numbers like Taylor because people just aren't invested in her like they are with Taylor to spend like that. This is all very true. However, Taylor keeps releasing quality albums, which retains fans long terms and gains her new ones with every release. Where as Adele disappointed a lot of her "casual fans" with 25, which was very similar to 21, but nowhere as good. Plus those casual fans are now what makes the GP that streams the music that they like over a long period of time. And 30 wasn't able to capture their attention at all.
favorite crime Posted October 23, 2022 Posted October 23, 2022 15 minutes ago, kitasss_vlc said: Insane figures… but can Swifties stop comparing her with Adele? I know they are pressed but… you really cant compare them Adele put an 11 song CD out with half of them 6+ minutes long songs… and maybe 5 different versions of the CD Taylor put a 20 song CD out with like 20 (TWENTY) different versions out to milk her fans… and she does it slowly to make sure they buy them all… not saying that is bad, just that u cant compare both strategies please. the 13 songs on Midnights outstreamed 30 x2.5 and there are no 20 different versions, that's a lie please
Bubble Tea Posted October 23, 2022 Posted October 23, 2022 Honestly her power is completely unrivalled in the music industry. She doesn't really do it for me that often but wow, you can't deny her.
LovaticSwiftie Posted October 23, 2022 Posted October 23, 2022 4 hours ago, kitasss_vlc said: Insane figures… but can Swifties stop comparing her with Adele? I know they are pressed but… you really cant compare them Adele put an 11 song CD out with half of them 6+ minutes long songs… and maybe 5 different versions of the CD Taylor put a 20 song CD out with like 20 (TWENTY) different versions out to milk her fans… and she does it slowly to make sure they buy them all… not saying that is bad, just that u cant compare both strategies Not this again, this 20 versions talk is just not true. Plus, no one is forced to buy them.
simmnfierzig Posted October 23, 2022 Posted October 23, 2022 4 hours ago, kitasss_vlc said: Insane figures… but can Swifties stop comparing her with Adele? I know they are pressed but… you really cant compare them Adele put an 11 song CD out with half of them 6+ minutes long songs… and maybe 5 different versions of the CD Taylor put a 20 song CD out with like 20 (TWENTY) different versions out to milk her fans… and she does it slowly to make sure they buy them all… not saying that is bad, just that u cant compare both strategies Taylor has 4 different covers, a target exclusive with 1 bonus track and the, so far, digital exclusive with the 7 other bonus tracks. You really cant count more than 6 versions overall. Can people please stop with the 20 versions nonsense
gagacasanova Posted October 23, 2022 Posted October 23, 2022 Grab the popcorn, cause this gon' be a show
Protocol Posted October 23, 2022 Posted October 23, 2022 4 hours ago, Brando said: This is all very true. However, Taylor keeps releasing quality albums, which retains fans long terms and gains her new ones with every release. Where as Adele disappointed a lot of her "casual fans" with 25, which was very similar to 21, but nowhere as good. Plus those casual fans are now what makes the GP that streams the music that they like over a long period of time. And 30 wasn't able to capture their attention at all. This, I think the writing was on the wall for Adele back in the 25 era. The album had record-breaking sales initially but its sales pattern indicated that it was being bought as a Christmas gift, once Christmas was over sales dropped like 80-90% around the world. The album itself was mediocre, a pale imitation of 21 and it did not have legs. It sold like 80% of its copies in the first six weeks during that Xmas shopping period. Outside of "Hello", the singles also under-performed, with "Send My Love" only selling 2M copies WW, in stark contrast to the 21 era where she got both huge-selling singles and album sales. All this served to indicate that the public didn't like the album nearly as much as 21. So I think the cooler than expected opening for 30 is really due to her audience just not loving 25. Which is a pity because 30 is arguably her best album and a vast improvement over 25. On the flipside, the reception to Midnights stems from how much the public loved Folklore. She converted a LOT of people who previously would've never given her the time of day with that album. I know metal heads, indie heads, who admitted to liking it and now respect her. So now all those people are checking Midnights out which is why she's breaking all these records.
kitasss_vlc Posted October 23, 2022 Posted October 23, 2022 40 minutes ago, simmnfierzig said: Taylor has 4 different covers, a target exclusive with 1 bonus track and the, so far, digital exclusive with the 7 other bonus tracks. You really cant count more than 6 versions overall. Can people please stop with the 20 versions nonsense You cant say that “the 20 versions” is a lie and reply to me with another lie… at least tell the truth… I just checked on her website and counted - 4 different cover CDs - 4 different cover vynils - 1 special lavender cover CD - 1 special lavender Vynil that makes 10…. Then u add the target exclusive and the digital exclusive we have already 12… and then u have the cassette one, which I couldnt find on the website but I know it exists, I just dont know how many different ones (easily could guess it is 5 more, like the CD and vynil but Im gonna be generous and say it is just one…) so lets say 13… plus the first title for the thread was a comparisson with Adele… so dont complain now about Adele fans coming here when whoever started the thread was clearly looking for it ?
simmnfierzig Posted October 23, 2022 Posted October 23, 2022 2 minutes ago, kitasss_vlc said: You cant say that “the 20 versions” is a lie and reply to me with another lie… at least tell the truth… I just checked on her website and counted - 4 different cover CDs - 4 different cover vynils - 1 special lavender cover CD - 1 special lavender Vynil that makes 10…. Then u add the target exclusive and the digital exclusive we have already 12… and then u have the cassette one, which I couldnt find on the website but I know it exists, I just dont know how many different ones (easily could guess it is 5 more, like the CD and vynil but Im gonna be generous and say it is just one…) so lets say 13… plus the first title for the thread was a comparisson with Adele… so dont complain now about Adele fans coming here when whoever started the thread was clearly looking for it ? Why in the world are you counting vinyls and CDs as different versions Its the same versions on different formats
PoisonedIvy Posted October 23, 2022 Posted October 23, 2022 8 minutes ago, kitasss_vlc said: You cant say that “the 20 versions” is a lie and reply to me with another lie… at least tell the truth… I just checked on her website and counted - 4 different cover CDs - 4 different cover vynils - 1 special lavender cover CD - 1 special lavender Vynil that makes 10…. Then u add the target exclusive and the digital exclusive we have already 12… and then u have the cassette one, which I couldnt find on the website but I know it exists, I just dont know how many different ones (easily could guess it is 5 more, like the CD and vynil but Im gonna be generous and say it is just one…) so lets say 13… plus the first title for the thread was a comparisson with Adele… so dont complain now about Adele fans coming here when whoever started the thread was clearly looking for it ? First of all, the lavender vinyl / CD IS the target exclusive, you cant count them as separate entities. secondly, 1 version of an album is ALWAYS available in 4 formats, for every artist — Digital, CD, vinyl, and cassette. That doesnt mean theres four versions of an album, that’s just four formats. EVERY. SINGLE. ARTIST. has this. Theres standard and deluxe, with 4 different standard covers, 1 physical only deluxe variant and 1 digital only deluxe variant. 6 versions is the most you can say this album has
fridayteenage Posted October 23, 2022 Posted October 23, 2022 6 minutes ago, simmnfierzig said: Why in the world are you counting vinyls and CDs as different versions Its the same versions on different formats how dare someone sell vinyls?!!! ugh fraud!
Ash12345 Posted October 23, 2022 Posted October 23, 2022 21 hours ago, SharonStone said: Her numbers are good so congrats, but at the end of the day they're just numbers. Let's try to keep a sense of objectivity. She is still not on the level of ICONIC as Madonna or even Britney. Yes, lets be objective by focusing on subjective measures and ignoring objective ones.
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